General Election 2019 - 12th December

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Boris sends his dad to School 😂

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The argument around Boris Johnson's no-show for the climate change debate on Channel 4 is heating up.

The TV channel is displaying ice sculptures in place of the PM and of the Brexit Party's Nigel Farage - who also didn't accept the invitation - in the studio tonight.

Channel 4 editor Ben de Pear says former environment secretary Michael Gove and the prime minister's father, Stanley Johnson, both arrived to try to persuade producers to let them on the programme instead.

Elsewhere, Buzzfeed is reporting that the PM is threatening to review Channel 4's broadcasting licence after the ice sculpture stunt.

But that's something presenter Alex Thomson says he asked Mr Gove - and Mr Gove said he knew nothing about it

[Herbert Anchovy]

Boris sends his dad to School 😂

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The argument around Boris Johnson's no-show for the climate change debate on Channel 4 is heating up.

The TV channel is displaying ice sculptures in place of the PM and of the Brexit Party's Nigel Farage - who also didn't accept the invitation - in the studio tonight.

Channel 4 editor Ben de Pear says former environment secretary Michael Gove and the prime minister's father, Stanley Johnson, both arrived to try to persuade producers to let them on the programme instead.

Elsewhere, Buzzfeed is reporting that the PM is threatening to review Channel 4's broadcasting licence after the ice sculpture stunt.

But that's something presenter Alex Thomson says he asked Mr Gove - and Mr Gove said he knew nothing about it

You really couldn’t make this up could you! Not much defence of BoJo tonight is there? Maybe people are seeing the light! 😀

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And then the weasle Gove tweets this


“ But you were too scared to debate a Conservative and preferred to be challenged by a giant ice cube”


They’ll spin anything, even the unspinable and the sad thing is people will still vote for these scumbags

[big fat yorkshire pudding]

It's a bit pretty from channel 4 but I do wonder why Boris decided not to go?  I reckon they think its yet another ploy to build this everyone is against us image.  Channel 4 should have let Gove on, now the headlines become about channel 4.

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It's a bit pretty from channel 4 but I do wonder why Boris decided not to go?  I reckon they think its yet another ploy to build this everyone is against us image.  Channel 4 should have let Gove on, now the headlines become about channel 4.

Why should they have let him in? It was a leaders debate, Gove failed twice to be a leader.


It strikes me that you are trying your best to justify you voting Tory, but know deep down it’s the wrong thing to do

[scawsby steve]

By God there's some straw clutching going on tonight on here.

[SydneyRover]

BST, I know how you like to produce figures and graphs and TBH it is hard to argue with them as I don’t know where to look for alternative information.
You will probably tell me that I should take the time out to do that but I am not really bothered enough to do so.
However, when someone does post information that is contrary to what you want us to believe you are quick to dismiss them and the links or information that is put forward.
Likewise, when people on the news suggest something that doesn’t fit the mantra that you support you tell us why they are wrong.

Today on the news I just missed most of  a piece in which some financial research people had suggested that both the Tory and Labour manifestos are flawed and undeliverable.
(I may have got the wording wrong, apologies if I did, but you will probably have seen it anyway)
I guess that you will tell us why the Labour one is ok and the experts are wrong.

You don't know where to look, you can't be bothered, you want to balance the argument   

[BillyStubbsTears]

It's a bit pretty from channel 4 but I do wonder why Boris decided not to go?  I reckon they think its yet another ploy to build this everyone is against us image.  Channel 4 should have let Gove on, now the headlines become about channel 4.

It's obvious why he decided not to go. For the same reason that he avoided interviews in the Tory leadership campaign.

It's because his entire persona is built on a carefully constructed façade. He's infamous in Govt circles for being manically disorganised and shit at detail. So he will avoid every possible opportunity to be scrutinized that he can.

There are precious few people out there who think Johnson out-did Corbyn in the one-to-one debate and look how badly Corbyn did when torn apart by Andrew Neil. How badly do you think Johnson would come across against Neil, or on a climate debate when his side have appalling policies?

[Herbert Anchovy]

By God there's some straw clutching going on tonight on here.

Do you think Johnson will be a good leader for the country SS?

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By God there's some straw clutching going on tonight on here.

 Not at all, just providing facts

[scawsby steve]

By God there's some straw clutching going on tonight on here.

 Not at all, just providing facts

What, like the IFS has?

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By God there's some straw clutching going on tonight on here.

 Not at all, just providing facts

What, like the IFS has?

Straw clutching?

[SydneyRover]

By God there's some straw clutching going on tonight on here.

Do you think Johnson will be a good leader for the country SS?

This question is for you Steve

[BillyStubbsTears]

SS.

The IFS has provided an analysis which predicts the future. This explicitly excludes the macroeconomic effect of increased Govt spending. That limits its accuracy and it has been strongly criticised by the UK's leading macroeconomic expert.

By the way, a prediction of future outcomes is, of course, very different to a previous prediction of future outcomes which have now happened, allowing the predictions to be checked for accuracy. What I for one have been showing in here today is the record of our economy in the era of austerity. It is dreadful. And it was predicted, correctly, to be dreadful by precisely the same macroeconomist who has criticised the IFS's methodogy this week.

If you don't want to listen to that, then fine. But don't draw false equivalences to justify that decision.

[scawsby steve]

By God there's some straw clutching going on tonight on here.

Do you think Johnson will be a good leader for the country SS?

I don't know Herbert, I'm not clairvoyant. Nobody can predict the future. As from my past posts, it must be pretty obvious to you that I won't be voting for him.

[tommy toes]

Andrew Neil will give Johnson a far easier time than he gave Corbyn.
He had a Labour MP on Politics Show today and all he was interested in was slamming home that Labours plans had been rubbished by the IFS and interrupting her constantly.
He can't help but display that he's a long term rabid Tory.

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By God there's some straw clutching going on tonight on here.

Do you think Johnson will be a good leader for the country SS?

I don't know Herbert, I'm not clairvoyant. Nobody can predict the future. As from my past posts, it must be pretty obvious to you that I won't be voting for him.

Five posts ago you are insinuating the IFS can predict the future, so they either can or they can’t?

[Herbert Anchovy]

By God there's some straw clutching going on tonight on here.

Do you think Johnson will be a good leader for the country SS?

I don't know Herbert, I'm not clairvoyant. Nobody can predict the future. As from my past posts, it must be pretty obvious to you that I won't be voting for him.

Wow there fella, I wasn’t being a smartarse with you, it was a genuine question as I wasn’t sure that’s all.

[drfchound]

By God there's some straw clutching going on tonight on here.

Do you think Johnson will be a good leader for the country SS?

I don't know Herbert, I'm not clairvoyant. Nobody can predict the future. As from my past posts, it must be pretty obvious to you that I won't be voting for him.

One very obvious thing about this forum is that anyone who criticises Labour must be voting Tory.

[SydneyRover]

By God there's some straw clutching going on tonight on here.

Do you think Johnson will be a good leader for the country SS?

I don't know Herbert, I'm not clairvoyant. Nobody can predict the future. As from my past posts, it must be pretty obvious to you that I won't be voting for him.

Wouldn't be difficult to have a punt going on his record of public service so far, magic bridges, water Cannon to keep the lazy drunk working class under control, lying at every opportunity, go on Steve have a guess, do you enter P v O?

[scawsby steve]

By God there's some straw clutching going on tonight on here.

Do you think Johnson will be a good leader for the country SS?

I don't know Herbert, I'm not clairvoyant. Nobody can predict the future. As from my past posts, it must be pretty obvious to you that I won't be voting for him.

Five posts ago you are insinuating the IFS can predict the future, so they either can or they can’t?

OK smart guy, I'll change that to I can't predict the future. As regards the IFS, it's their job to make predictions.

[BillyStubbsTears]

By God there's some straw clutching going on tonight on here.

Do you think Johnson will be a good leader for the country SS?

I don't know Herbert, I'm not clairvoyant. Nobody can predict the future. As from my past posts, it must be pretty obvious to you that I won't be voting for him.

One very obvious thing about this forum is that anyone who criticises Labour must be voting Tory.

That's a very silly thing to say.

But here is a fact, for anyone deciding how to vote.

There are only two post-election possibilities.

1) Boris Johnson is PM
2) There is a Labour PM

(The only reason I don't say Corbyn for 2 is that there are rumours that smaller parties might insist on Corbyn being replaced as a price for supporting a Labour minority Govt. I don't believe it will happen but it's a possibility.)

[scawsby steve]

By God there's some straw clutching going on tonight on here.

Do you think Johnson will be a good leader for the country SS?

I don't know Herbert, I'm not clairvoyant. Nobody can predict the future. As from my past posts, it must be pretty obvious to you that I won't be voting for him.

Wouldn't be difficult to have a punt going on his record of public service so far, magic bridges, water Cannon to keep the lazy drunk working class under control, lying at every opportunity, go on Steve have a guess, do you enter P v O?

Yes Sydney, I do enter the P v O; I'm f*cking rubbish at it; 7 points so far.

I've been rubbish at predicting the result of this GE as well. I've said on here that it will be a hung parliament, and that looks like being wrong, as the Labour Party seem to be on course for a real dicking.

[drfchound]

By God there's some straw clutching going on tonight on here.

Do you think Johnson will be a good leader for the country SS?

I don't know Herbert, I'm not clairvoyant. Nobody can predict the future. As from my past posts, it must be pretty obvious to you that I won't be voting for him.

One very obvious thing about this forum is that anyone who criticises Labour must be voting Tory.

That's a very silly thing to say.

But here is a fact, for anyone deciding how to vote.

There are only two post-election possibilities.

1) Boris Johnson is PM
2) There is a Labour PM

(The only reason I don't say Corbyn for 2 is that there are rumours that smaller parties might insist on Corbyn being replaced as a price for supporting a Labour minority Govt. I don't believe it will happen but it's a possibility.)

There is no need to talk down to me BST, like a headmaster speaking to a pupil.
I am well aware there are only two possible outcomes for PM, I said the same thing a few days ago on here.
In my view there is no chance of Corbyn becoming PM.
To be honest, I don’t fancy either of them to do the job.
I am very concerned for our futures.

[BillyStubbsTears]

Hound.

Then if you understand that, why did you make that previous comment? Clearly, anyone who doesn't want a Labour PM, by definition wants Johnson as PM. That's an inescapable fact.

[Hounslowrover]

I see the Tories have done it again and put out a Facebook ad featuring BBC presenters arguing that chaotic debates over Brexit can be avoided if people vote Conservative. I think it's now been taken down after running for 24 hours.

[Donnywolf]

Andrew Neil will give Johnson a far easier time than he gave Corbyn.
He had a Labour MP on Politics Show today and all he was interested in was slamming home that Labours plans had been rubbished by the IFS and interrupting her constantly.
He can't help but display that he's a long term rabid Tory.

Neal is doing all Party Leaders but Johnson is being "done" " roasted" or whatever by Kuennsberg. Typical

[wilts rover]

Yesterday Johnson said that any Tory member who committed racist abuse would be expelled 'first bounce'.

Yesterday evening at a hustings meeting a Tory candidate said to his Labour rival, a Sikh, that he was 'talking through his turban'.

There is what Johnson says - and there is what Johnson does.

https://twitter.com/alexwickham/status/1199979628783423488

[drfchound]

Hound.

Then if you understand that, why did you make that previous comment? Clearly, anyone who doesn't want a Labour PM, by definition wants Johnson as PM. That's an inescapable fact.

I made my comment because it is also an inescapable fact that certain posters jump on others who have a pop at anything that I and others write that goes against the Labour supporters views.
It has been implied that anyone who votes for anyone but Labour is an idiot.

As for your final point, “anyone who doesn’t want a a Labour PM, by definition wants Johnson as PM”:
Well I guess it could be construed to be like that but I assume you are still thinking that I will be voting Tory, as some others seem to also think.
I have told you before that I haven’t decided yet who to vote for.
For the first time ever I am considering not bothering to vote.
I have time to decide yet.

It is a dilemma for me because I also voted to remain in the EU.

[BillyStubbsTears]

Hound.

No. I don't assume you're voting Tory. But as I've said elsewhere, if you don't actively support a Labour PM as the outcome, then by definition you are supporting Johnson as PM. Whether actively or passively, that's how it is. That's the decision every one of us has to take.