Roll up,roll up

[bpoolrover]

   Well one con straight away is that BT have said this morning that the cost of doing that would be more than double what Labour claim,so theres another 20 billion minimum that needs shaking off that magic tree....he actually said the final figure would be close to 100 billion everything in

[bpoolrover]

Wing Co
Why not address the pros and cons ofwhat they are actually proposing,.do you think it’s a good idea really or just a election gimmick to try win votes? Most people already have broadband and quite willing to pay what they do I would think, I pay under 6 pound a week with calls and landline, for what people would gain is it worth up to 100 billion(according to bt guy)

[i_ateallthepies]

UK lags hopelessly behind on our broadband infrastructure.  BBC, this morning cited Spain as currently having 50% Fibre infrastructure compared to UK at 7%.

[Glyn_Wigley]

   Well one con straight away is that BT have said this morning that the cost of doing that would be more than double what Labour claim,so theres another 20 billion minimum that needs shaking off that magic tree....

Of course it would at the prices they like to try and get away with.

[albie]

It is not surprising that the industry will challenge the cost estimates, as they have a vested interest in keeping the business as it is.

I don't know the final cost, and I suspect no-one else does at this stage, because the economies of scale and technical change will impact the roll out.

What is interesting is that no-one has taken into account the net economic gains from bringing the UK up to standard with other countries, such as Spain and Japan.

All those businesses suffering low quality service in a geographic lottery would be better placed to develop, and the regional inequalities between different parts of the UK would be reduced.

There is little prospect of these benefits being delivered under the current system....they have already failed!

[wilts rover]

Communist b*****ds they will be nationalising the roads, hospitals and schools next. What do you mean this infrastructure and services are already run by the government - the commies are already here to the streets...

To what extent would you support or oppose a policy providing free broadband internet to all UK homes and businesses by 2030?"

62% ~ Support
22% ~ Oppose
16% ~ Don't know

Via @YouGov, 15 November

https://twitter.com/LeftieStats/status/1195385938572185602

[auckleyflyer]

More sense and worth to everyone and businesses at a cost that's pennies compared to HS2!
Fabulous idea the type of infrastructure a forward thinking country should be doing

[bpoolrover]

Of course as it’s free,anyone will say yes to anything that’s free, if they said something will have to go up to pay for it you might just get a different result

[drfchound]

Labour won’t win the GE, but supposing they did........I could see this broadband proposal of Corbyns becoming free to low income people and people who are out of work etc.
Then it would be means tested to everyone else.

It doesn’t matter anyway as it won’t get the chance to be implemented.

[SydneyRover]

but you'll have a babble anyway 

[drfchound]

but you'll have a babble anyway 

Kettle......frying pan.......black.

[SydneyRover]

go and sit in the corner with bb 

[drfchound]

go and sit in the corner with bb 

Wooooo.


Hark at him.

[scawsby steve]

go and sit in the corner with bb 

Why am I not in the corner?

[Filo]

Communist Broadband

Communist NHS

is there any difference?

[wilts rover]

Libraries - imagine if they get their hands on the libraries there will be free books and stuff without people paying for them putting all the bookshops and kindles out of business.

Madness, where will it end....

[SydneyRover]

go and sit in the corner with bb 

Why am I not in the corner?

off you go then, second yellow 

[Bentley Bullet]

go and sit in the corner with bb 

I'm at the Scawthorpe club at the moment listening to REM if you want to join me.

That's me in the corner.

[idler]

go and sit in the corner with bb 

I'm at the Scawthorpe club at the moment listening to REM if you want to join me.

That's me in the corner.

You'd best give the vicar a ring if you're losing your religion BB.😉

[BillyStubbsTears]

Labour won’t win the GE, but supposing they did........I could see this broadband proposal of Corbyns becoming free to low income people and people who are out of work etc.
Then it would be means tested to everyone else.

It doesn’t matter anyway as it won’t get the chance to be implemented.

But that is
a) 100% not what they are saying.
b) 100% not what Corbyn believes.

b) is why they are planning to get rid of prescription charges (which are means tested).

[Donnywolf]

Bet some people make a pile by buying BT Shares "low" knowing (suspecting) that Labour wont hold a Majority or be able to form a Governemt and progress the idea anyway

The Shares went down by 3% earlier yesterday

[albie]

As far as the share price goes, BT have been underperforming;
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EJZzF7dXYAUrO7z.jpg:large

So not just only managing 8% full fibre across the UK, but stocks declining yearly.
A real privatisation success story?

[River Don]

I worked in the broadband industry for many years. The company I started out with was called Video Networks and they ran a broadband on demand TV service in the Hull area in the early 1990s.

Broadband was another British innovation. The beauty of what VNL was doing was it didn't require fibre optic, copper was good enough. What needed upgrading were the exchanges, that's why they were in Hull because Hull uniquely has its own independent telecoms.
 
Beyond Hull though there were severe obstacles. BT. British Telecom had complete control of the network, they did not allow access and charged exorbitant sums that a start up business could not afford. The government failed to intervene and BT effectively squashed an industry that could have been a platform for a truly world leading British digital business. A crying shame.

[drfchound]

Labour won’t win the GE, but supposing they did........I could see this broadband proposal of Corbyns becoming free to low income people and people who are out of work etc.
Then it would be means tested to everyone else.

It doesn’t matter anyway as it won’t get the chance to be implemented.

But that is
a) 100% not what they are saying.
b) 100% not what Corbyn believes.

b) is why they are planning to get rid of prescription charges (which are means tested).

BST.
I know that is not what they are saying but it isn’t necessarily what would happen if by some fluke they won.
By the way, how could you know what Corbyn actually believes?

[River Don]

Actually to think there was a fully functioning on demand TV service in Hull... Whilst Amazon was still bloody posting DVDs to customers...

It's unbelievable how far we've fallen behind.

[rabjohns]

RD I was informed years ago BT apparently told the government of the time they had no duct space for other companies cables.Not long ago I spent 4 years surveying the network for old cable they wanted recovering and they have plenty of duct space.

[BillyStubbsTears]

Labour won’t win the GE, but supposing they did........I could see this broadband proposal of Corbyns becoming free to low income people and people who are out of work etc.
Then it would be means tested to everyone else.

It doesn’t matter anyway as it won’t get the chance to be implemented.

But that is
a) 100% not what they are saying.
b) 100% not what Corbyn believes.

b) is why they are planning to get rid of prescription charges (which are means tested).

BST.
I know that is not what they are saying but it isn’t necessarily what would happen if by some fluke they won.
By the way, how could you know what Corbyn actually believes?

Because means testing is hated on the Left. For practical reasons (some poor people don't claim the benefits they are due) and for philosophical reasons (because it demeans those who are seen as having to be supported by the state).

I'm not inside Corbyn's head, obviously, but I've been involved with Left wing politics for 35 years (yeah Wilts! I know! Who'd have thought it?) and I'd be amazed if Corbyn was in favour of means testing.

[drfchound]

Labour won’t win the GE, but supposing they did........I could see this broadband proposal of Corbyns becoming free to low income people and people who are out of work etc.
Then it would be means tested to everyone else.

It doesn’t matter anyway as it won’t get the chance to be implemented.

But that is
a) 100% not what they are saying.
b) 100% not what Corbyn believes.

b) is why they are planning to get rid of prescription charges (which are means tested).

BST.
I know that is not what they are saying but it isn’t necessarily what would happen if by some fluke they won.
By the way, how could you know what Corbyn actually believes?

Because means testing is hated on the Left. For practical reasons (some poor people don't claim the benefits they are due) and for philosophical reasons (because it demeans those who are seen as having to be supported by the state).

I'm not inside Corbyn's head, obviously, but I've been involved with Left wing politics for 35 years (yeah Wilts! I know! Who'd have thought it?) and I'd be amazed if Corbyn was in favour of means testing.

So you don’t really know what he actually thinks about it then, just a summisation.

[BillyStubbsTears]

Yes. Thank you for repeating what I just wrote.


Actually no. Repeating HALF of what I just wrote. It's an opinion based in many years of experience. I have never one heard anyone on the Left of the Labour party make a case FOR means testing. Therefore, I find it stretches the bounds of credibility to think that Corbyn would.

Tell me. Are you confident that the sun will come up tomorrow?

[drfchound]

You usually try to, and tell us, that you deal in facts but wrote that Corbyn 100% doesn’t believe in means testing ( on the free broadband).

I asked how could you know that and you have simply said that you would be amazed if he did think that.

You haven’t actually said that you don’t know for sure.