Tory Election Manifesto

[Herbert Anchovy]

The Tory manifesto makes a number of interesting pledges:

20,000 new police offices (to make up the numbers from the ones they cut)
£250 million per year to fund child care
£6.3 billion to fund home improvements
£500 million per year to fill potholes
£600 million per year to fund a national skills fund
£28.8 billion on road improvements
And not forgetting of course the £350 million per week that the NHS will be receiving once we leave the EU (!)

And all this is to be achieved without any increases in income tax, VAT or national insurance.

So, where’s the money coming from to pay for all of these?

[BillyStubbsTears]

Some of those numbers are insulting.

The "Skills Fund" amounts to £1 per week for every worker in the country.

The Child Care fund amounts to £1 per week for every schoolkid.

These are not serious policies. They are barely significant enough to be called "fluff".

[bpoolrover]

What we have is 2 parties and none of them can produce what they say

[Bentley Bullet]

The Tories are probably basing it on us working a five day week, bas**rds.

[BillyStubbsTears]

You mean like their forefathers based their concept of society on people working 70 hour weeks? An kids working? And no state funded schools or health service? Or health and safety standards? Or decent houses? Or countryside accessible to all for leisure?

Name me a single major improvement in the quality of life of working folk that has EVER come from the Right.

Then stop and have a think how many folk like you 150 years ago assumed it was inevitable that kids would always have to work down the pit.

[SydneyRover]

What we have is 2 parties and none of them can produce what they say

boring

[bpoolrover]

What we have is 2 parties and none of them can produce what they say

boring

sydney why is it boring so far we have had promises from both sides that the ifs say none of them can keep, why can’t you accept that or are they lying 2? You keep living in your little bubble not interacting with anyone bar your online papers

[SydneyRover]

What we have is 2 parties and none of them can produce what they say

boring

sydney why is it boring so far we have had promises from both sides that the ifs say none of them can keep, why can’t you accept that or are they lying 2? You keep living in your little bubble not interacting with anyone bar your online papers

Your political posts are boring, they don't prove or disprove very much at all.

[bobjimwilly]

Labour have explained how they attempt to pay for everything; hence a "fully costed" manifesto. Not really a hard concept.

[SydneyRover]

Tory campaign bus

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/picture/2019/nov/24/nicola-jennings-on-boris-johnson-launching-the-tory-manifesto-cartoon

[Bentley Bullet]

You mean like their forefathers based their concept of society on people working 70 hour weeks? An kids working? And no state funded schools or health service? Or health and safety standards? Or decent houses? Or countryside accessible to all for leisure?

Name me a single major improvement in the quality of life of working folk that has EVER come from the Right.

Then stop and have a think how many folk like you 150 years ago assumed it was inevitable that kids would always have to work down the pit.

BST = NOBODY INSULTS THE GREAT CORBYN


ONLY ME!

[SydneyRover]

The green-eyed god getting at you again bb

[Bentley Bullet]

You mean like their forefathers based their concept of society on people working 70 hour weeks? An kids working? And no state funded schools or health service? Or health and safety standards? Or decent houses? Or countryside accessible to all for leisure?

Name me a single major improvement in the quality of life of working folk that has EVER come from the Right.

Then stop and have a think how many folk like you 150 years ago assumed it was inevitable that kids would always have to work down the pit.

No, I mean at such a time like now when at worst we are 'destined for poverty' with no food on the shelves, and at best us being as less poorer as possible by our EU exit, and Corbyn Monoxide is promising a four day week!

[SydneyRover]

That's a much better answer bb

[SydneyRover]

You mean like their forefathers based their concept of society on people working 70 hour weeks? An kids working? And no state funded schools or health service? Or health and safety standards? Or decent houses? Or countryside accessible to all for leisure?

Name me a single major improvement in the quality of life of working folk that has EVER come from the Right.

Then stop and have a think how many folk like you 150 years ago assumed it was inevitable that kids would always have to work down the pit.

No, I mean at such a time like now when at worst we are 'destined for poverty' with no food on the shelves, and at best us being as less poorer as possible by our EU exit, and Corbyn Monoxide is promising a four day week!

You're next question should be asking is why the f#ck is the economy in such a parlous position when we've have the best people educated at the best schools at the helm for 9 years and they don't understand how economics work?

[foxbat]

and the ask the question - how can any person who has to work for a living , doesn't have an offshore non-tax paying account and relies on the NHS for healthcare even consider voting for them

[BillyStubbsTears]

You mean like their forefathers based their concept of society on people working 70 hour weeks? An kids working? And no state funded schools or health service? Or health and safety standards? Or decent houses? Or countryside accessible to all for leisure?

Name me a single major improvement in the quality of life of working folk that has EVER come from the Right.

Then stop and have a think how many folk like you 150 years ago assumed it was inevitable that kids would always have to work down the pit.

BST = NOBODY INSULTS THE GREAT CORBYN


ONLY ME!

I see you're in "I've nothing of any useful substance to add to the discussion,so I'll throw out a couple of pathetic insults and see if I can start a row" mode again BB.

I assume that means you haven't found any examples of the Right fighting hard for improvements in the quality of ordinary workers' lives?

[drfchound]

Labour have explained how they attempt to pay for everything; hence a "fully costed" manifesto. Not really a hard concept.

Ah but, have also costed in the extra announcement, the WASPI payback.
I didn’t see how they would finance that.

[Bentley Bullet]

You mean like their forefathers based their concept of society on people working 70 hour weeks? An kids working? And no state funded schools or health service? Or health and safety standards? Or decent houses? Or countryside accessible to all for leisure?

Name me a single major improvement in the quality of life of working folk that has EVER come from the Right.

Then stop and have a think how many folk like you 150 years ago assumed it was inevitable that kids would always have to work down the pit.

BST = NOBODY INSULTS THE GREAT CORBYN


ONLY ME!

I see you're in "I've nothing of any useful substance to add to the discussion,so I'll throw out a couple of pathetic insults and see if I can start a row" mode again BB.

I assume that means you haven't found any examples of the Right fighting hard for improvements in the quality of ordinary workers' lives?

You can assume whatever you want but I meant exactly what I said.

[BillyStubbsTears]

But it's pathetic isn't it BB?

You contribute nothing of substance to any discussion. You just throw in smart arse wisecracks with varying degrees of bile.

Then you get arsey when people don't give you respect.

This is a perfect case in point.

You joined the discussion to make a wisecrack about Labour's aspiration to move to a four day week.

No content to your input. Just a wisecrack.

Now, as it happens, in a sane political environment, that policy discussion ought to be the most important of the election. We're on the verge of an AI and automation revolution which is going to quickly and radically change everything about the world of work. We ought to be thinking hard about the effect this is going to have in society. Which is the context in which I pointed out that no great societal move to make life better for the working class has EVER come from The Right in the UK.

Your response to that was another smart arse insult.

If you don't want to engage in discussion then fine. Many people don't. But if that's the case, why the f**k do you have to wade into every discussion with content-free, attention-seeking quips?

[Bentley Bullet]

But if you want to engage in intelligent grown-up conversation why should it be only you who can insult Corbyn?

[BillyStubbsTears]

I don't insult Corbyn. I take issues with specific policies.

Just like anyone can.

You are free to discuss with me the things I take issue with him on if you don't agree.

I'm free to discuss with other people the things they take issue with him on, if I don't agree with them.

That's kind of how grown up discussions work.

It's telling that you see people taking issues with policies and call it an "insult". That's why I suggested last week that you might be in need of a break to get your sense of perspective back.

[Bentley Bullet]

I just did take issue with Corbyn regarding his four-day working week proposal despite the uncertainty of our EU situation. That, to me, is a grown-up question that deserved a grown-up answer. Instead, you responded by babbling on about our forefathers.

That's not grown-up discussion. It is not answering the question. it is diverting from the subject.

How can I or anybody who you disagree with support their points by posting links in support of them when you simply discard them as not being credible?

[redwine]

I just did take issue with Corbyn regarding his four-day working week proposal despite the uncertainty of our EU situation. That, to me, is a grown-up question that deserved a grown-up answer. Instead, you responded by babbling on about our forefathers.

That's not grown-up discussion. It is not answering the question. it is diverting from the subject.

How can I or anybody who you disagree with support their points by posting links in support of them when you simply discard them as not being credible?

Surely, if you can believe the Tories, which is a particularly moot point, there will be no economic uncertainty. Once we unleash the potential after Brexit we can all rest easy. Put our feet up and watch the money rush in.

[BillyStubbsTears]

But you didn't take issue with it BB.

That would you engaging with the issue and discussing the pros and cons.

[foxbat]

 Susanna Reid completely destroys Nicky Morgan's 50,000 more nurses claim.

Imagine having a policy so shit that even Piers Morgan can rip it to shreds, and a minister so thick she'll actually sit there on live TV arguing that 3+0 = 6!

What’s really disturbing about Nicky Morgan’s performance on GMB is when challenged by piers morgan & susanna reid she continues to dodge the truth.
 
What’s even more disturbing is that millions of voters will vote for this party of truth dodgers.

#ToryLies #ToryStory #BorisJohnson
 #dontbuythesun

[foxbat]

 Boris Johnson
@BorisJohnson_MP


We chose Nicky Morgan to go out and defend our manifesto because she was the only one who passed our stringent requirements.

The main requirement being to believe that 50,000 less 20,000 is still 50,000.

[Bentley Bullet]

But you didn't take issue with it BB.

That would you engaging with the issue and discussing the pros and cons.

There are no pros to discussing the ridiculous promise of a four-day working week in this present climate, only cons. And that is exactly what the proposal is - A con.

[BillyStubbsTears]

BB
Hang on! Hang on! I'm getting echoes down the ages.

"Stop children working!?! Reduce the weekly working time from 70 hours?!? Introduce a...a WHAT? A national health service, free at the point of use?!? Pensions? PENSIONS, for the common man?!? Minimum wage? But everyone KNOWS the economy will collapse of we introduce communist nonsense like this!"

There's always voices on the Right who tell us that we can't take radical steps to improve the lot of the working classes. Bizarrely, they've always managed to convince useful idiots in the working classes to support them.

Go on then. Tell us what your approach would be the the impending AI and automation revolution. The one that's going to decimate the jobs market for millions of working class (and middle class) folk over the next generation.

Because if we do nowt, the proceeds of that are going into the pockets of the big companies, and you're going to see a lot more poverty and hopelessness.

If you want to avoid that, there are some radical solutions needed. Ones that need to be discussed now.

Or you can stay in your shell and chuck out lame insults if you prefer.

[Bentley Bullet]

There's a time and place for everything, Billy boy, and now's not the time for promising a four-day working week, and you well know it!