Corbyn and Anti-Semitism

[BillyStubbsTears]

I've had my criticisms of the way in which Labour has managed this issue for the past couple of years. But those have been political and procedural mistakes. There's never been any suggestion that Corbyn is an anti-Semite.

Yet the idea has taken root, egged on by the very rags that have poured racist bile into people's front rooms for generations.

Those of you who think Corbyn is a Jew hater, just spend a couple of minutes watching this. Then ask yourselves if you're being played.

https://mobile.twitter.com/ToryFibs/status/1202003580942790657

[SydneyRover]

I'm not expecting any of those that use antisemitism against Corbynto 'a' listen to this and or 'b' to admit they're wrong but it does show those that pedal the lies are bound up in their own prejudices.

[Not Now Kato]

Thanks for the link BST, I've passed it on to a friend of mine who is doing some research into the subject.  He's sought examples from the Chief Rabbi but had no response to date from him despite repeated requests.

[Not Now Kato]

I'm not expecting any of those that use antisemitism against Corbynto 'a' listen to this and or 'b' to admit they're wrong but it does show those that pedal the lies are bound up in their own prejudices.

Indeed.  But you can certainly expect those same people to continue to peddle those self same lies; after all, they're in the Daily Mail so they must be right!

[BillyStubbsTears]

Someone said today that if Corbyn genuinely IS anti-Semitic, he must have been playing a really sophisticated game as a sleeper agent, because there's no evidence whatsoever that he ever did or said anything anti-Semitic for the first 65 years of his life. Until he became Labour leader.

[Filo]

This is not someone who is anti semite

50 occasions when Corbyn as backed jewish people

It reads:

Corbyn organised the Apr. 1977 defence of Jewish populated Wood Green from a Neo-Nazi march
EDM3933 7 Nov. 1990: Corbyn signs motion condemning the rise of antisemitism
EDM634, 11 Apr. 2000: Jeremy Corbyn signs motion condemning David Irving for being a Holocaust Denier
EDM1124, 6 Nov. 2000: Jeremy Corbyn praised the ‘British Schindler’, Bill Barazetti, for his WW2 kindertransport
EDM742, 28 Jan. 2002: Jeremy Corbyn signs motion praising football clubs for commemorating Holocaust Day
EDM1233 30 Apr. 2002: Corbyn was a primary sponsor on a motion condemning antisemitism
11 May 2002: Jeremy led a clean up of Finsbury Park Synagogue after an anti-Semitic attack
EDM1691, 23 July 2002: Corbyn condemned attacks on a synagogue in Swansea
EDM123 26 Nov. 2003: Corbyn officially condemns attacks on 2 Istanbul synagogues
EDM298, 16 Dec. 2003: Jeremy Corbyn signs motion commemorating International Holocaust Day
2004: Jeremy condemned news that anti-Semitic hate crimes had risen for yet another year
EDM461, 21 Jan. 2004: Jeremy Corbyn condemned the French government’s moves to ban the Jewish Kippa in French Schools
EDM717, 26 Feb. 2004: Jeremy signed a motion praising Simon Wiesenthal for bringing Nazi perpetrators of the Holocaust to justice
EDM1613, 8 Sept. 2004: Corbyn co-sponsored a bill expressing fears for the future of the United Synagogue Pension Scheme
EDM1699, 11 Oct. 2004: Jeremy Corbyn condemned arbitrary attacks on civilians in Israel and Palestine
EDM482, 12 Jan. 2005: Jeremy Corbyn signs a motion commemorating International Holocaust Day
EDM343, 16 June 2005: Jeremy condemned the desecration of a Jewish cemetery in east London
EDM1343, 11 Jan. 2006: Jeremy Corbyn signs a motion commemorating International Holocaust Day
EDM1774, 8 Mar. 2006: Jeremy Corbyn led condemnations of an Iranian Magazine soliciting cartoons about the Holocaust
EDM1267, 16 Apr. 2006: Jeremy Corbyn condemned Bryan Ferry for anti-Semitic remarks
EDM2414, 26 June 2006: Jeremy Corbyn praised British war veterans for their efforts to combat the Holocaust
EDM2705, 10 Oct. 2006: Jeremy signed a motion marking the 70th anniversary of Cable Street
EDM271, 14 Nov. 2007: Jeremy co-sponsored a motion lamenting the poverty and social exclusion East London Jews suffered
EDM153, 12 May 2008: Corbyn praised the efforts of the Jews in the Warsaw Ghetto during the uprising of 1944
EDM2350, 27 Oct 2008: Jeremy Corbyn signs a motion marking the 70th anniversary of the horrors of the holocaust
EDM173, 8 Dec. 2008: Jeremy condemned the Press Complaints Commission for refusing to sanction The Times for antisemitism
EDM461, 14 Jan. 2009: Jeremy Corbyn condemned a wave of recent anti-Semitic incidents targeted
EDM605, 27 Jan. 2009: Corbyn signed John Mann’s motion condemning antisemitism on university campuses
EDM917 26 Feb. 2009: Jeremy signs a motion condemning antisemitism on the internet
EDM1175 24 Mar. 2009: Corbyn signs a motion praising the heroism of British Jews during Holocaust
EDM337, 2 Dec. 2009: Jeremy Condemned Iran’s treatment of Jewish minorities in Iran
EDM850 9 Feb. 2010: Jeremy joins in calls for Facebook to do more to fight antisemitism
EDM891: 22 Feb 2010: Corbyn co-sponsors a motion calling for Yemen’s Jews to be given refugee status to the UK
EDM908 27 Oct. 2010: Corbyn praises work of late Israeli PM in his pursuit of a 2 state solution
EDM1360, 27 Jan. 2011: Corbyn co-sponsored a motion praising the ‘never again for anyone initiative’
EDM1527, 3 Mar. 2011: Corbyn backed Ian Paisley’s motion condemning the anti-Semitic remarks of Dior’s lead fashion designer
EDM2870, 14 Mar. 2012: Jeremy Corbyn condemned the sale of Nazi memorabilia at an auction in Bristol
EDM2866, 14 Mar 2012: Jeremy Corbyn co-sponsored a bill condemning the rise of antisemitism in Lithuania
EDM2899, 20 Mar. 2012, Jeremy Corbyn condemned a terrorist attack on a Jewish school in Toulouse
EDM168, 12 June 2012, Jeremy co-sponsored a motion condemning anti-Semitic attacks during EURO 2012 in Poland
EDM 195 13 June 2012: Jeremy attacks BBC for cutting Jewish programmes from Its schedule
EDM 1133 1 Mar 2013: Corbyn joins a chorus of calls condemning antisemitism In sport
1 Oct. 2013: Corbyn was one of the few MPs who defended Ralph Miliband from Daily Mail antisemitism
EDM 932 9 Jan 2014: Jeremy praises Holocaust Memorial’s work on antisemitism education
EDM 165 22 June 2015: Jeremy condemns a Neo-Nazi rally planned for a Jewish area of London
Sat 4 July 2015: Jeremy co-planned a counter-fascist demo in defence of Jewish residents at Golders Green. The march was re-routed
18 Nov. 2015, Corbyn used one of his first PMQs to challenge Cameron to do more on antisemiUsm
9 Oct 2016: Corbyn, close to tears, leads commemoration of the Battle of Cable Street
3 Dec. 2016: Corbyn visits Terezin Concentration Camp to commemorate Holocaust victims
In 2017-19 Jeremy introduced 20 new measures to combat antisemitism in the Labour Party

[SydneyRover]

Yeah but no but yeah 

[BillyStubbsTears]

And not a word from the Right wing supporters in here.

Not
A
Word

[TommyC]

I think much of this debate ultimately boils down to a semantic argument over your definition of anti-semitism. An issue which the Labour party itself has struggled to reach a consensus on.

Does anyone really believe that Corbyn harbours racist or anti-semitic views against any particular individual? I genuinely don't believe that he does nor do I believe that he would ever actively discriminate against anyone on those grounds. It's a gross generalisation but my thoughts on Corbyn are that he's probably a fundamentally decent man with well meaning idealistic intentions. I personally think his world view is misguided and i feel he's possibly manipulated by more ruthless members of his own party. But I'm sure hes a decent enough man albeit not everyone's cup of tea. A bit of a basket case but harmless enough.  An eccentric old Uncle.

However, if you were to agree that expressing "anti-Israel" sentiment falls within the definition of anti-semitism, then on that basis I think it highly likely that Corbyn would by that definition be deemed an anti semite. He is supportive of the Palestinian cause which by definition opposes the creation of the state of Israel. Does anyone really believe that Corbyn doesnt oppose the existence of the state of Israel? If you believe that then it boils down to whether or not you would class that as anti semitic or not.

[wing commander]

And not a word from the Right wing supporters in here.

Not
A
Word

To be fair Billy I've only just seen this and I have commented before that I believe anti-Semitism has been used as a political football against the Labour Party and Corbyn and whilst it does exist in the Labour party the problem isn't as bad as believed..

[Bentley Bullet]

I've also commented on it. More lies from Labour supporters!

[BillyStubbsTears]

Wing Co. You have done. Agreed.

[Filo]

I've also commented on it. More lies from Labour supporters!

Those are all checkable facts, google is your friend if you care to use it

[Bentley Bullet]

 

I've also commented on it. More lies from Labour supporters!

Those are all checkable facts, google is your friend if you care to use it

I was referring to BST's post, as was wing Commander.

[BillyStubbsTears]

BB.

You haven't responded in this thread u til you did your usual attention seeking thing.

[Bentley Bullet]

Neither had WC! Where did I say I had?

[BillyStubbsTears]

Right. That post of WC's at 08:31 must have been an optical illusion

[Bentley Bullet]

What do you mean? WC's post at 08:31 was his first post, as was mine at 8:36.

[Draytonian III]

Corbyn is the best thing that has happened to the Conservative party, my work colleagues who would be Labour supporters in the past are either not voting or voting for any one but Labour

[scawsby steve]

And not a word from the Right wing supporters in here.

Not
A
Word

Wrong BST. I posted on here that Corbyn isn't a racist, just a ditherer, and you agreed with me.

[foxbat]

BBC to Corbyn: "APOLOGISE FOR ANTISEMITISM!"
BBC to Johnson: "Show us how to butter scones!"

ITV to Corbyn: "APOLOGISE FOR ANTISEMITISM!"
ITV to Johnson: "Let's take a selfie!"

Whatever your political affiliation, if you have any respect for democracy,
this should concern you.

[foxbat]

Tory ministers back candidates accused of Islamophobia,
yet again contradicting the PM’s claim that the Conservative Party has ‘zero tolerance’
on issue.     

 https://theguardian.com/politics/2019/

[keith79]

This is not someone who is anti semite

50 occasions when Corbyn as backed jewish people

It reads:

Corbyn organised the Apr. 1977 defence of Jewish populated Wood Green from a Neo-Nazi march
EDM3933 7 Nov. 1990: Corbyn signs motion condemning the rise of antisemitism
EDM634, 11 Apr. 2000: Jeremy Corbyn signs motion condemning David Irving for being a Holocaust Denier
EDM1124, 6 Nov. 2000: Jeremy Corbyn praised the ‘British Schindler’, Bill Barazetti, for his WW2 kindertransport
EDM742, 28 Jan. 2002: Jeremy Corbyn signs motion praising football clubs for commemorating Holocaust Day
EDM1233 30 Apr. 2002: Corbyn was a primary sponsor on a motion condemning antisemitism
11 May 2002: Jeremy led a clean up of Finsbury Park Synagogue after an anti-Semitic attack
EDM1691, 23 July 2002: Corbyn condemned attacks on a synagogue in Swansea
EDM123 26 Nov. 2003: Corbyn officially condemns attacks on 2 Istanbul synagogues
EDM298, 16 Dec. 2003: Jeremy Corbyn signs motion commemorating International Holocaust Day
2004: Jeremy condemned news that anti-Semitic hate crimes had risen for yet another year
EDM461, 21 Jan. 2004: Jeremy Corbyn condemned the French government’s moves to ban the Jewish Kippa in French Schools
EDM717, 26 Feb. 2004: Jeremy signed a motion praising Simon Wiesenthal for bringing Nazi perpetrators of the Holocaust to justice
EDM1613, 8 Sept. 2004: Corbyn co-sponsored a bill expressing fears for the future of the United Synagogue Pension Scheme
EDM1699, 11 Oct. 2004: Jeremy Corbyn condemned arbitrary attacks on civilians in Israel and Palestine
EDM482, 12 Jan. 2005: Jeremy Corbyn signs a motion commemorating International Holocaust Day
EDM343, 16 June 2005: Jeremy condemned the desecration of a Jewish cemetery in east London
EDM1343, 11 Jan. 2006: Jeremy Corbyn signs a motion commemorating International Holocaust Day
EDM1774, 8 Mar. 2006: Jeremy Corbyn led condemnations of an Iranian Magazine soliciting cartoons about the Holocaust
EDM1267, 16 Apr. 2006: Jeremy Corbyn condemned Bryan Ferry for anti-Semitic remarks
EDM2414, 26 June 2006: Jeremy Corbyn praised British war veterans for their efforts to combat the Holocaust
EDM2705, 10 Oct. 2006: Jeremy signed a motion marking the 70th anniversary of Cable Street
EDM271, 14 Nov. 2007: Jeremy co-sponsored a motion lamenting the poverty and social exclusion East London Jews suffered
EDM153, 12 May 2008: Corbyn praised the efforts of the Jews in the Warsaw Ghetto during the uprising of 1944
EDM2350, 27 Oct 2008: Jeremy Corbyn signs a motion marking the 70th anniversary of the horrors of the holocaust
EDM173, 8 Dec. 2008: Jeremy condemned the Press Complaints Commission for refusing to sanction The Times for antisemitism
EDM461, 14 Jan. 2009: Jeremy Corbyn condemned a wave of recent anti-Semitic incidents targeted
EDM605, 27 Jan. 2009: Corbyn signed John Mann’s motion condemning antisemitism on university campuses
EDM917 26 Feb. 2009: Jeremy signs a motion condemning antisemitism on the internet
EDM1175 24 Mar. 2009: Corbyn signs a motion praising the heroism of British Jews during Holocaust
EDM337, 2 Dec. 2009: Jeremy Condemned Iran’s treatment of Jewish minorities in Iran
EDM850 9 Feb. 2010: Jeremy joins in calls for Facebook to do more to fight antisemitism
EDM891: 22 Feb 2010: Corbyn co-sponsors a motion calling for Yemen’s Jews to be given refugee status to the UK
EDM908 27 Oct. 2010: Corbyn praises work of late Israeli PM in his pursuit of a 2 state solution
EDM1360, 27 Jan. 2011: Corbyn co-sponsored a motion praising the ‘never again for anyone initiative’
EDM1527, 3 Mar. 2011: Corbyn backed Ian Paisley’s motion condemning the anti-Semitic remarks of Dior’s lead fashion designer
EDM2870, 14 Mar. 2012: Jeremy Corbyn condemned the sale of Nazi memorabilia at an auction in Bristol
EDM2866, 14 Mar 2012: Jeremy Corbyn co-sponsored a bill condemning the rise of antisemitism in Lithuania
EDM2899, 20 Mar. 2012, Jeremy Corbyn condemned a terrorist attack on a Jewish school in Toulouse
EDM168, 12 June 2012, Jeremy co-sponsored a motion condemning anti-Semitic attacks during EURO 2012 in Poland
EDM 195 13 June 2012: Jeremy attacks BBC for cutting Jewish programmes from Its schedule
EDM 1133 1 Mar 2013: Corbyn joins a chorus of calls condemning antisemitism In sport
1 Oct. 2013: Corbyn was one of the few MPs who defended Ralph Miliband from Daily Mail antisemitism
EDM 932 9 Jan 2014: Jeremy praises Holocaust Memorial’s work on antisemitism education
EDM 165 22 June 2015: Jeremy condemns a Neo-Nazi rally planned for a Jewish area of London
Sat 4 July 2015: Jeremy co-planned a counter-fascist demo in defence of Jewish residents at Golders Green. The march was re-routed
18 Nov. 2015, Corbyn used one of his first PMQs to challenge Cameron to do more on antisemiUsm
9 Oct 2016: Corbyn, close to tears, leads commemoration of the Battle of Cable Street
3 Dec. 2016: Corbyn visits Terezin Concentration Camp to commemorate Holocaust victims
In 2017-19 Jeremy introduced 20 new measures to combat antisemitism in the Labour Party

dont let facts get in the way of fake news

[Sprotyrover]

BBC to Corbyn: "APOLOGISE FOR ANTISEMITISM!"
BBC to Johnson: "Show us how to butter scones!"

ITV to Corbyn: "APOLOGISE FOR ANTISEMITISM!"
ITV to Johnson: "Let's take a selfie!"

Whatever your political affiliation, if you have any respect for democracy,
this should concern you.

He didn't apologise for the very tiny minority of idiots in the party did he?.and in his fluffy 'Snowflake' way his silence speaks volumes doesn't it? Nero fiddled whilst Rome burned, Corby dithered while the Labour Party collapsed. He is the leader of the Party now his opinion and views matter!

[TommyC]

Is "anti-Israel" the same as "anti-Semite"? Strange that nobody has answered that yet. Particularly the original poster.

[BillyStubbsTears]

No of course it isn't. One of the major problems I have with the term anti-Semitism is that it is frequently weaponised against anyone who criticises Israeli Govt policy, especially in relation to the Palestinians.

Regarding Israel's right to exist as a state, yes of course it has a right to exist. But there's a lot to discuss round that. That's for another day.

[wilts rover]

4 more example of anti-semitism from prominent Tories this morning - again where is the outrage? If this was muppets on Twitter saying they supported Labour it would be all over the media and there would be dozens of posts on here.

If people combatting anti-semitism in the Labour Party are not combatting anti-semitism in the Tory Party they are not combating anti-semitism. They are combatting the Labour Party.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/dec/07/tories-investigate-three-candidates-over-alleged-antisemitism
https://skwawkbox.org/2019/12/06/excl-tory-councillor-gives-conflicting-excuses-for-antisemitic-you-have-a-mind-of-jews-comment/

[Sprotyrover]

4 more example of anti-semitism from prominent Tories this morning - again where is the outrage? If this was muppets on Twitter saying they supported Labour it would be all over the media and there would be dozens of posts on here.

If people combatting anti-semitism in the Labour Party are not combatting anti-semitism in the Tory Party they are not combating anti-semitism. They are combatting the Labour Party.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/dec/07/tories-investigate-three-candidates-over-alleged-antisemitism
https://skwawkbox.org/2019/12/06/excl-tory-councillor-gives-conflicting-excuses-for-antisemitic-you-have-a-mind-of-jews-comment/

Try again in Simple English Wilts.

[BillyStubbsTears]

Try it slowly Sproty. Really slowly.

[albie]

The Crown Prosecution Service has found ONE.....as in 1, case of anti-semitism in Labour;
https://skwawkbox.org/2020/02/26/cps-charges-one-individual-with-hate-offences-after-antisemitism-dossier-investigation/

I look forward to the media going on and on for the next 2 years about the non-existence of a deep problem running through the party.

The Board of Deputies will be keen to apologise for a storm in a teacup, no doubt.