Let's talk about the Sunderland game.

[NewDonny]

No changes for me. If one is to be made it’s Copps for Sheaf imo. Gomes has improved so much I can’t believe it’s the same bloke who turned up at Rochdale. Sheaf was very good 2nd half but in the first half his pass completion was appalling at best.

Appalling is a very strong word don't you think?

Whiteman gave the ball away a few times in the first half and in far more dangerous positions, twice in the first 5 minutes yesterday but recovered and it's never been mentioned. Ben Sheaf on the other hand, who is out on loan here to learn his trade, and who will make mistakes, that's all a part of his footballing education, isn't given the same leeway it would seem. How will the lad ever have the confidence to mature and grow as a player if his own fans are constantly on him about every dropped pass? Some fans in the away section yesterday were on his back the whole time he was on the pitch and frankly that's hard to listen to when you know that the lad on the end of it is just 21 and out on his first proper full time loan season.

[since-1969]

One change for me; Copps for Sheaf.

why .... change a winning team . ?

[Reesielad]

No changes for me. If one is to be made it’s Copps for Sheaf imo. Gomes has improved so much I can’t believe it’s the same bloke who turned up at Rochdale. Sheaf was very good 2nd half but in the first half his pass completion was appalling at best.

Appalling is a very strong word don't you think?

Whiteman gave the ball away a few times in the first half and in far more dangerous positions, twice in the first 5 minutes yesterday but recovered and it's never been mentioned. Ben Sheaf on the other hand, who is out on loan here to learn his trade, and who will make mistakes, that's all a part of his footballing education, isn't given the same leeway it would seem. How will the lad ever have the confidence to mature and grow as a player if his own fans are constantly on him about every dropped pass? Some fans in the away section yesterday were on his back the whole time he was on the pitch and frankly that's hard to listen to when you know that the lad on the end of it is just 21 and out on his first proper full time loan season.

Could not agree more with this.


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[drfchound]

One change for me; Copps for Sheaf.

why .... change a winning team . ?

Because football is a squad game these days.
Sunderland will probably set up very defensively and it will almost certainly need a moment of brilliance to unlock them.
Copps is our best player and much more likely than Sheaf to find the match winning pass.
His assist stats are still outstanding and he is scoring goals as well this season.

We have another game on 1st January and even if we beat Sunderland I would expect us to make changes again for that game.

[scawsby steve]

One change for me; Copps for Sheaf.

why .... change a winning team . ?

Read the previous posts. DM said he set that team up specifically to deal with the threat from Posh.

Sunderland will be different; they'll play to stifle us, and we'll need someone like Copps to unlock them with his creativity.

[drfchound]

SS, great minds eh mate.

[5 on Tour]

No changes for me. If one is to be made it’s Copps for Sheaf imo. Gomes has improved so much I can’t believe it’s the same bloke who turned up at Rochdale. Sheaf was very good 2nd half but in the first half his pass completion was appalling at best.

Appalling is a very strong word don't you think?

Whiteman gave the ball away a few times in the first half and in far more dangerous positions, twice in the first 5 minutes yesterday but recovered and it's never been mentioned. Ben Sheaf on the other hand, who is out on loan here to learn his trade, and who will make mistakes, that's all a part of his footballing education, isn't given the same leeway it would seem. How will the lad ever have the confidence to mature and grow as a player if his own fans are constantly on him about every dropped pass? Some fans in the away section yesterday were on his back the whole time he was on the pitch and frankly that's hard to listen to when you know that the lad on the end of it is just 21 and out on his first proper full time loan season.

So you ignore the part where I claim he was good in the 2nd half and focus on the part that suits your argument? Sheaf is here to learn his trade you are quite correct. Meanwhile we are not his permanent club and are developing him for someone else. I also state that I would make no changes but IF one had to be made what that would be in my opinion.

I’m going to assume you aren’t directing the on his back claim at me? As firstly I’ve attended every game this season including the joke-a-trade games or whatever it’s called this week. During that entire time I’ve never got on anyone’s back. I have watched every single second of Sheaf in a Rovers shirt and I like the guy. I also like Doncaster Rovers a whole lot more and if someone’s passing is poor then I will say so. If you don’t like it then you have 2 choices don’t you? His passing during the first half was appalling in my opinion. I made no comment or reference to anyone else being good, bad or indifferent.

If in your opinion Whiteman’s passing was worse then I’ll listen to your points. But the Captain, and arguably our best player, isn’t getting dropped is he? Gomes has developed well and if Copps comes back in then IMO it should be for Sheaf with Gomes next to Whiteman. If that upsets you then I do apologise greatly.

[andysly]

They have not scored an away goal in open play in the league since 14 September.

Cue Sunderland being 1-0 in the first 10 minutes 

[NewDonny]

No changes for me. If one is to be made it’s Copps for Sheaf imo. Gomes has improved so much I can’t believe it’s the same bloke who turned up at Rochdale. Sheaf was very good 2nd half but in the first half his pass completion was appalling at best.

Appalling is a very strong word don't you think?

Whiteman gave the ball away a few times in the first half and in far more dangerous positions, twice in the first 5 minutes yesterday but recovered and it's never been mentioned. Ben Sheaf on the other hand, who is out on loan here to learn his trade, and who will make mistakes, that's all a part of his footballing education, isn't given the same leeway it would seem. How will the lad ever have the confidence to mature and grow as a player if his own fans are constantly on him about every dropped pass? Some fans in the away section yesterday were on his back the whole time he was on the pitch and frankly that's hard to listen to when you know that the lad on the end of it is just 21 and out on his first proper full time loan season.

So you ignore the part where I claim he was good in the 2nd half and focus on the part that suits your argument? Sheaf is here to learn his trade you are quite correct. Meanwhile we are not his permanent club and are developing him for someone else. I also state that I would make no changes but IF one had to be made what that would be in my opinion.

I’m going to assume you aren’t directing the on his back claim at me? As firstly I’ve attended every game this season including the joke-a-trade games or whatever it’s called this week. During that entire time I’ve never got on anyone’s back. I have watched every single second of Sheaf in a Rovers shirt and I like the guy. I also like Doncaster Rovers a whole lot more and if someone’s passing is poor then I will say so. If you don’t like it then you have 2 choices don’t you? His passing during the first half was appalling in my opinion. I made no comment or reference to anyone else being good, bad or indifferent.

If in your opinion Whiteman’s passing was worse then I’ll listen to your points. But the Captain, and arguably our best player, isn’t getting dropped is he? Gomes has developed well and if Copps comes back in then IMO it should be for Sheaf with Gomes next to Whiteman. If that upsets you then I do apologise greatly.

I am not ignoring anything and no I am not directing the claim of "being on his back" at you, but then again I don't know you, have never met you so don't know if you were directing comments at Sheaf throughout yesterdays game, hopefully not.

Correct we are not his parent club, that part you have got right, and he is being developed for someone else, you have that right too, but we (DRFC) have/had a choice in that, we didn't have to sign him did we? So as the club that he is currently signed for on loan we have a duty of care over him and I would expect supporters of this club to get behind the player and not abuse his every touch! After all, isn't that what a clubs fan base do, support and encourage the players that play for their club or has that changed now?! Players don't go out to deliberately play badly, the same as I am sure you don't go to work to make mistakes, but I bet you have and still do.

I have attended most games, probably missing about 2 maybe 3 since the start of the season, even Grimsby away mid week in the Cup! I have also been involved, in and around professional football for a good number of years so feel qualified to know a good player when I see them and I believe with time Sheaf will find the right position on the field for himself and will become a very good player, but not if fans from his own (loan) club start getting on his back and destroying his confidence he won't!

So in summary, I am not ignoring or suggesting anything other than the words that you use, such as "appalling" and "awful" seem very strong and final words when describing a players performance, that's it.

[RoversAlias]

No changes for me. If one is to be made it’s Copps for Sheaf imo. Gomes has improved so much I can’t believe it’s the same bloke who turned up at Rochdale. Sheaf was very good 2nd half but in the first half his pass completion was appalling at best.

Appalling is a very strong word don't you think?

Whiteman gave the ball away a few times in the first half and in far more dangerous positions, twice in the first 5 minutes yesterday but recovered and it's never been mentioned. Ben Sheaf on the other hand, who is out on loan here to learn his trade, and who will make mistakes, that's all a part of his footballing education, isn't given the same leeway it would seem. How will the lad ever have the confidence to mature and grow as a player if his own fans are constantly on him about every dropped pass? Some fans in the away section yesterday were on his back the whole time he was on the pitch and frankly that's hard to listen to when you know that the lad on the end of it is just 21 and out on his first proper full time loan season.

I have to agree with you completely ND. At the Accrington game, he was slated by those around me every time he gave the ball away, and yes he did it often, but I did not hear any praise for him on the numerous occasions he won possession, something he did better than any other Rovers player in the game.

Certain sections of a fanbase latch on to a player and seemingly do not see the positives, but are all too quick to jump on them for any negatives.

[5 on Tour]

No changes for me. If one is to be made it’s Copps for Sheaf imo. Gomes has improved so much I can’t believe it’s the same bloke who turned up at Rochdale. Sheaf was very good 2nd half but in the first half his pass completion was appalling at best.

Appalling is a very strong word don't you think?

Whiteman gave the ball away a few times in the first half and in far more dangerous positions, twice in the first 5 minutes yesterday but recovered and it's never been mentioned. Ben Sheaf on the other hand, who is out on loan here to learn his trade, and who will make mistakes, that's all a part of his footballing education, isn't given the same leeway it would seem. How will the lad ever have the confidence to mature and grow as a player if his own fans are constantly on him about every dropped pass? Some fans in the away section yesterday were on his back the whole time he was on the pitch and frankly that's hard to listen to when you know that the lad on the end of it is just 21 and out on his first proper full time loan season.

So you ignore the part where I claim he was good in the 2nd half and focus on the part that suits your argument? Sheaf is here to learn his trade you are quite correct. Meanwhile we are not his permanent club and are developing him for someone else. I also state that I would make no changes but IF one had to be made what that would be in my opinion.

I’m going to assume you aren’t directing the on his back claim at me? As firstly I’ve attended every game this season including the joke-a-trade games or whatever it’s called this week. During that entire time I’ve never got on anyone’s back. I have watched every single second of Sheaf in a Rovers shirt and I like the guy. I also like Doncaster Rovers a whole lot more and if someone’s passing is poor then I will say so. If you don’t like it then you have 2 choices don’t you? His passing during the first half was appalling in my opinion. I made no comment or reference to anyone else being good, bad or indifferent.

If in your opinion Whiteman’s passing was worse then I’ll listen to your points. But the Captain, and arguably our best player, isn’t getting dropped is he? Gomes has developed well and if Copps comes back in then IMO it should be for Sheaf with Gomes next to Whiteman. If that upsets you then I do apologise greatly.

I am not ignoring anything and no I am not directing the claim of "being on his back" at you, but then again I don't know you, have never met you so don't know if you were directing comments at Sheaf throughout yesterdays game, hopefully not.

Correct we are not his parent club, that part you have got right, and he is being developed for someone else, you have that right too, but we (DRFC) have/had a choice in that, we didn't have to sign him did we? So as the club that he is currently signed for on loan we have a duty of care over him and I would expect supporters of this club to get behind the player and not abuse his every touch! After all, isn't that what a clubs fan base do, support and encourage the players that play for their club or has that changed now?! Players don't go out to deliberately play badly, the same as I am sure you don't go to work to make mistakes, but I bet you have and still do.

I have attended most games, probably missing about 2 maybe 3 since the start of the season, even Grimsby away mid week in the Cup! I have also been involved, in and around professional football for a good number of years so feel qualified to know a good player when I see them and I believe with time Sheaf will find the right position on the field for himself and will become a very good player, but not if fans from his own (loan) club start getting on his back and destroying his confidence he won't!

So in summary, I am not ignoring or suggesting anything other than the words that you use, such as "appalling" and "awful" seem very strong and final words when describing a players performance, that's it.

So you directly quote me but your comments weren’t about what I said or directed towards me? You might want to be clearer in the future.

You are right you don’t know me so in future I suggest you are a little more careful with anything you imply. For all I know you are one of the 2 arrested for being racist... but then I don’t know you so who knows what you say or do. Maybe questioning it on the internet isn’t the best thing to do?

I am sure you have been around for professional football for a good number of years. Obviously that would make your opinion suitably superior to the rest of us to make comments about mine? Except you don’t know me or what I do and yet suggest that my opinion and the wording of it is too strong?

I’ll break it down simply for you. His passing in the first half was not good enough. Did he improve in the 2nd half? Yes. Can we afford that bad passing for 45 minutes against a team who are almost certainly going to be lined up in rank before us on the pitch? No. If DM feels that we need Copps on the pitch to unlock those ranks then I would have Gomes and Whiteman on the pitch. End of. That’s my view and my opinion. If you don’t like it then guess what you can do?

[Campsall rover]

Well i like Sheaf. Think he will become a very good player.
His passing is often wayward agreed. He is naturally a defender and his main attribute is winning the ball and providing defensive cover in front of the back 4

He will improve his passing and vision and decision making given the amount of playing time he is being given by DM.
He has good coaches who will improve his weaknesses. Remember he is only 20yrs old and still learning his trade. This is his 1st season playing League football.

For some reason some of our supporters need to have a scapegoat someone to vent their anger on. Don’t know why but it’s the same every season.

With regard to today, maybe on reflection giving him a well earned rest might not be a bad thing.
Get behind him everyone and support him, encourage him. Players thrive on encouragement and supporters play a huge part in giving players confidence.

If we get the opportunity to sign him permanently we should jump at the chance imo.

[NickDRFC]

I think I was the first person on this thread to suggest replacing Sheaf with Coppinger and I stand by it - I think he’s underperforming compared to how he was playing earlier in the season, and given Gomes has improved we now have options and Sheaf shouldn’t be an automatic pick when he’s below par. Nor should he be immune to criticism for giving the ball away far more than he should be just because he’s a young lad.

That said he shouldn’t be barracked from the stands, that’s not constructive and depending on his personality could be very detrimental. I’ve not heard it myself (my last game was Wimbledon) and if he is picked tomorrow I hope I don’t hear it this weekend.

[5 on Tour]

I’ve not heard anyone have a go at him all season either home or away. He has a great deal of potential but the key now is to get a run going. If we can build on the Peterborough game and have a confident team that will help all of our younger players.

Different players suit different games and tomorrow is going to be against a team who will be tough to break down. To do that we need our best passers on the pitch.

[NewDonny]

No changes for me. If one is to be made it’s Copps for Sheaf imo. Gomes has improved so much I can’t believe it’s the same bloke who turned up at Rochdale. Sheaf was very good 2nd half but in the first half his pass completion was appalling at best.

Appalling is a very strong word don't you think?

Whiteman gave the ball away a few times in the first half and in far more dangerous positions, twice in the first 5 minutes yesterday but recovered and it's never been mentioned. Ben Sheaf on the other hand, who is out on loan here to learn his trade, and who will make mistakes, that's all a part of his footballing education, isn't given the same leeway it would seem. How will the lad ever have the confidence to mature and grow as a player if his own fans are constantly on him about every dropped pass? Some fans in the away section yesterday were on his back the whole time he was on the pitch and frankly that's hard to listen to when you know that the lad on the end of it is just 21 and out on his first proper full time loan season.

So you ignore the part where I claim he was good in the 2nd half and focus on the part that suits your argument? Sheaf is here to learn his trade you are quite correct. Meanwhile we are not his permanent club and are developing him for someone else. I also state that I would make no changes but IF one had to be made what that would be in my opinion.

I’m going to assume you aren’t directing the on his back claim at me? As firstly I’ve attended every game this season including the joke-a-trade games or whatever it’s called this week. During that entire time I’ve never got on anyone’s back. I have watched every single second of Sheaf in a Rovers shirt and I like the guy. I also like Doncaster Rovers a whole lot more and if someone’s passing is poor then I will say so. If you don’t like it then you have 2 choices don’t you? His passing during the first half was appalling in my opinion. I made no comment or reference to anyone else being good, bad or indifferent.

If in your opinion Whiteman’s passing was worse then I’ll listen to your points. But the Captain, and arguably our best player, isn’t getting dropped is he? Gomes has developed well and if Copps comes back in then IMO it should be for Sheaf with Gomes next to Whiteman. If that upsets you then I do apologise greatly.

I am not ignoring anything and no I am not directing the claim of "being on his back" at you, but then again I don't know you, have never met you so don't know if you were directing comments at Sheaf throughout yesterdays game, hopefully not.

Correct we are not his parent club, that part you have got right, and he is being developed for someone else, you have that right too, but we (DRFC) have/had a choice in that, we didn't have to sign him did we? So as the club that he is currently signed for on loan we have a duty of care over him and I would expect supporters of this club to get behind the player and not abuse his every touch! After all, isn't that what a clubs fan base do, support and encourage the players that play for their club or has that changed now?! Players don't go out to deliberately play badly, the same as I am sure you don't go to work to make mistakes, but I bet you have and still do.

I have attended most games, probably missing about 2 maybe 3 since the start of the season, even Grimsby away mid week in the Cup! I have also been involved, in and around professional football for a good number of years so feel qualified to know a good player when I see them and I believe with time Sheaf will find the right position on the field for himself and will become a very good player, but not if fans from his own (loan) club start getting on his back and destroying his confidence he won't!

So in summary, I am not ignoring or suggesting anything other than the words that you use, such as "appalling" and "awful" seem very strong and final words when describing a players performance, that's it.

So you directly quote me but your comments weren’t about what I said or directed towards me? You might want to be clearer in the future.

You are right you don’t know me so in future I suggest you are a little more careful with anything you imply. For all I know you are one of the 2 arrested for being racist... but then I don’t know you so who knows what you say or do. Maybe questioning it on the internet isn’t the best thing to do?

I am sure you have been around for professional football for a good number of years. Obviously that would make your opinion suitably superior to the rest of us to make comments about mine? Except you don’t know me or what I do and yet suggest that my opinion and the wording of it is too strong?

I’ll break it down simply for you. His passing in the first half was not good enough. Did he improve in the 2nd half? Yes. Can we afford that bad passing for 45 minutes against a team who are almost certainly going to be lined up in rank before us on the pitch? No. If DM feels that we need Copps on the pitch to unlock those ranks then I would have Gomes and Whiteman on the pitch. End of. That’s my view and my opinion. If you don’t like it then guess what you can do?

Wow! Look 5 On Tour, my point was very simple which you have managed to make very confusing. I am not interested in you, who DM picks in the next game, whether Coppinger plays or not. I am only interested in your choice of words on this forum to describe one of our own players . In my opinion, calling one of your own young players "appalling" or "awful" on a public fans forum is way over the top, very harsh and unnecessary.

We are clearly never going to agree, our opinions differ, but should you decide to respond again, I won't be replying.

[5 on Tour]

No changes for me. If one is to be made it’s Copps for Sheaf imo. Gomes has improved so much I can’t believe it’s the same bloke who turned up at Rochdale. Sheaf was very good 2nd half but in the first half his pass completion was appalling at best.

Appalling is a very strong word don't you think?

Whiteman gave the ball away a few times in the first half and in far more dangerous positions, twice in the first 5 minutes yesterday but recovered and it's never been mentioned. Ben Sheaf on the other hand, who is out on loan here to learn his trade, and who will make mistakes, that's all a part of his footballing education, isn't given the same leeway it would seem. How will the lad ever have the confidence to mature and grow as a player if his own fans are constantly on him about every dropped pass? Some fans in the away section yesterday were on his back the whole time he was on the pitch and frankly that's hard to listen to when you know that the lad on the end of it is just 21 and out on his first proper full time loan season.

So you ignore the part where I claim he was good in the 2nd half and focus on the part that suits your argument? Sheaf is here to learn his trade you are quite correct. Meanwhile we are not his permanent club and are developing him for someone else. I also state that I would make no changes but IF one had to be made what that would be in my opinion.

I’m going to assume you aren’t directing the on his back claim at me? As firstly I’ve attended every game this season including the joke-a-trade games or whatever it’s called this week. During that entire time I’ve never got on anyone’s back. I have watched every single second of Sheaf in a Rovers shirt and I like the guy. I also like Doncaster Rovers a whole lot more and if someone’s passing is poor then I will say so. If you don’t like it then you have 2 choices don’t you? His passing during the first half was appalling in my opinion. I made no comment or reference to anyone else being good, bad or indifferent.

If in your opinion Whiteman’s passing was worse then I’ll listen to your points. But the Captain, and arguably our best player, isn’t getting dropped is he? Gomes has developed well and if Copps comes back in then IMO it should be for Sheaf with Gomes next to Whiteman. If that upsets you then I do apologise greatly.

I am not ignoring anything and no I am not directing the claim of "being on his back" at you, but then again I don't know you, have never met you so don't know if you were directing comments at Sheaf throughout yesterdays game, hopefully not.

Correct we are not his parent club, that part you have got right, and he is being developed for someone else, you have that right too, but we (DRFC) have/had a choice in that, we didn't have to sign him did we? So as the club that he is currently signed for on loan we have a duty of care over him and I would expect supporters of this club to get behind the player and not abuse his every touch! After all, isn't that what a clubs fan base do, support and encourage the players that play for their club or has that changed now?! Players don't go out to deliberately play badly, the same as I am sure you don't go to work to make mistakes, but I bet you have and still do.

I have attended most games, probably missing about 2 maybe 3 since the start of the season, even Grimsby away mid week in the Cup! I have also been involved, in and around professional football for a good number of years so feel qualified to know a good player when I see them and I believe with time Sheaf will find the right position on the field for himself and will become a very good player, but not if fans from his own (loan) club start getting on his back and destroying his confidence he won't!

So in summary, I am not ignoring or suggesting anything other than the words that you use, such as "appalling" and "awful" seem very strong and final words when describing a players performance, that's it.

So you directly quote me but your comments weren’t about what I said or directed towards me? You might want to be clearer in the future.

You are right you don’t know me so in future I suggest you are a little more careful with anything you imply. For all I know you are one of the 2 arrested for being racist... but then I don’t know you so who knows what you say or do. Maybe questioning it on the internet isn’t the best thing to do?

I am sure you have been around for professional football for a good number of years. Obviously that would make your opinion suitably superior to the rest of us to make comments about mine? Except you don’t know me or what I do and yet suggest that my opinion and the wording of it is too strong?

I’ll break it down simply for you. His passing in the first half was not good enough. Did he improve in the 2nd half? Yes. Can we afford that bad passing for 45 minutes against a team who are almost certainly going to be lined up in rank before us on the pitch? No. If DM feels that we need Copps on the pitch to unlock those ranks then I would have Gomes and Whiteman on the pitch. End of. That’s my view and my opinion. If you don’t like it then guess what you can do?

Wow! Look 5 On Tour, my point was very simple which you have managed to make very confusing. I am not interested in you, who DM picks in the next game, whether Coppinger plays or not. I am only interested in your choice of words on this forum to describe one of our own players . In my opinion, calling one of your own young players "appalling" or "awful" on a public fans forum is way over the top, very harsh and unnecessary.

We are clearly never going to agree, our opinions differ, but should you decide to respond again, I won't be replying.

Don’t respond then as you don’t read anyway. His passing was appalling in the first half. Not him as a player. Not him as a person. For one half his passing was poor. We couldn’t agree on anything as you don’t even read what someone says. I never once called Ben Sheaf awful or appalling. I stated his passing for one half of football was. Jeez. Bet you’re fun at parties aren’t you?

[NewDonny]

I’ve not heard anyone have a go at him all season either home or away. He has a great deal of potential but the key now is to get a run going. If we can build on the Peterborough game and have a confident team that will help all of our younger players.

Different players suit different games and tomorrow is going to be against a team who will be tough to break down. To do that we need our best passers on the pitch.

If you have not heard it fair enough, but that does not mean it doesn't happen. However RoversAlias has already commented just a few posts back on this thread that he also heard it on Thursday as well.

[Jimmydee]

The Sunderland forum are organising a protest against their owners tomorrow and they’re not too happy with the manager too.

[selby]

  If Ozturk and whoever plays alongside him, are as physical as him and Dunne were at Sunderland last season defending their own penalty area, then Ennis or whoever is going to be in a far different game down the middle of the park than they were at Peterborough.
   Right from the start of the game they were man handling Marquis from behind, in some cases throwing him to the floor, their first goal resulting from a tackle that took him completely out on the edge of their box, and were checking the start of his runs by grabbing or tripping him.
  We may need a strong referee for this game, although I think we are more than a match for them football wise, and are not the push overs we were earlier in the season with the ruff stuff, Peterborough tried that in the second half and were matched up.
  As for Sheaf, I think he can be a great player, and probably sees a pass earlier than some of our other players, and has a tendency to under hit the pass because of it, has a tackle in him and is good defensively in the air, and will probably get a couple of goals once he gets one, being unlucky up to press this season.
   Sunderland can't be any great shakes, I am again going for a sneaky 2-1 win, but expect it to be a squad game with us making substitutions in a physical game in which Thomas may have to come into.

[Donnywolf]

Dont forget the Ozturk wrestle on Andy Butler for about 8 yards in Penalty area. Penalty all day long

We havnt got a good Ref because I dont think Drysdale will have improved any.

[DonnyBazR0ver]

Well, the good news is with Gomes showing his worth, Ennis, John, Wright returning to full match fitness, DM has good options to choose from. In any good team, nobody has a divine right to a shirt so we should be pleased there's good competition as it should raise the bar performance wise.

I too think Sheaf has been getting a bum rap from some fans. He is a good player and will improve as his development continues. He's hardly missed a minutes football and maybe he deserves a break but DM knows best. I trust DM to pick the best team for the job tomorrow, even if that means Copps on the bench. It will be good to look at the team sheet and have confidence in every name on it!

Tomorrow is important to back up our result at Peterborough to reestablish our credentials as contenders for promotion. That would apply no matter who the opponents are but it just happens to be Sunderland who stand in our way.

[selby]

Well, if you look at the stature of the substitutes in the game at Sunderland last season in a physical encounter, Ali Crawford, Tyler Smith, and Alfie May, they were not going to ruffle many feathers in a rough against a couple of giants.
 In the last few games we have been looking like we are getting our tempo to the games back, playing it quicker through the thirds going forward in midfield, and playing more positive passes which gives our forwards more opportunities.

[ian1980]

Ref Change

“NEWS | Carl Boyeson will be the referee in charge of Sunday's Sky Bet League One game against Sunderland, replacing Darren Drysdale who was originally down for the fixture.”

[drfchound]

Well i like Sheaf. Think he will become a very good player.
His passing is often wayward agreed. He is naturally a defender and his main attribute is winning the ball and providing defensive cover in front of the back 4

He will improve his passing and vision and decision making given the amount of playing time he is being given by DM.
He has good coaches who will improve his weaknesses. Remember he is only 20yrs old and still learning his trade. This is his 1st season playing League football.

For some reason some of our supporters need to have a scapegoat someone to vent their anger on. Don’t know why but it’s the same every season.

With regard to today, maybe on reflection giving him a well earned rest might not be a bad thing.
Get behind him everyone and support him, encourage him. Players thrive on encouragement and supporters play a huge part in giving players confidence.

If we get the opportunity to sign him permanently we should jump at the chance imo.

Paul, sorry to step in mate but you have to allow people to pass comments on players performances, good or bad.
You too have had a pop at players, Bingham, Thomas, Gomes and May all spring to mind in recent weeks.

[IDM]

Sheaf had a poor game vs MK Dons..

I think he is very talented and overall has been great for us, but any player can underperform occasionally..

[the vicar]

One change for me; Copps for Sheaf.

why .... change a winning team . ?

because Copps is the best player we have at 38

[IDM]

DM should pick the side he thinks best will win against this opposition.  That may mean no changes, but I wouldn’t be surprised to be Copps start..

[Campsall rover]

Well i like Sheaf. Think he will become a very good player.
His passing is often wayward agreed. He is naturally a defender and his main attribute is winning the ball and providing defensive cover in front of the back 4

He will improve his passing and vision and decision making given the amount of playing time he is being given by DM.
He has good coaches who will improve his weaknesses. Remember he is only 20yrs old and still learning his trade. This is his 1st season playing League football.

For some reason some of our supporters need to have a scapegoat someone to vent their anger on. Don’t know why but it’s the same every season.

With regard to today, maybe on reflection giving him a well earned rest might not be a bad thing.
Get behind him everyone and support him, encourage him. Players thrive on encouragement and supporters play a huge part in giving players confidence.

If we get the opportunity to sign him permanently we should jump at the chance imo.

Paul, sorry to step in mate but you have to allow people to pass comments on players performances, good or bad.
You too have had a pop at players, Bingham, Thomas, Gomes and May all spring to mind in recent weeks.

hound have i done something to upset you? You have had quite a few pops at me this last week or so.

What have i said to not allow anyone else have a pop at players. Have i put out a ban on people making comments hound? All I said was there always seems to have to be a scapegoat. Sheaf is the one at the present time.
I agree he isn’t playing as well now as he was earlier in the season but there is a great deal of unwarranted criticism of him on this forum imo.

Surely i am allowed to criticise people who i think are giving out criticism which i feel is unwarranted.
Doesn’t mean they are not entitled to their opinion and i have never ever said that.

[drfchound]

Well i like Sheaf. Think he will become a very good player.
His passing is often wayward agreed. He is naturally a defender and his main attribute is winning the ball and providing defensive cover in front of the back 4

He will improve his passing and vision and decision making given the amount of playing time he is being given by DM.
He has good coaches who will improve his weaknesses. Remember he is only 20yrs old and still learning his trade. This is his 1st season playing League football.

For some reason some of our supporters need to have a scapegoat someone to vent their anger on. Don’t know why but it’s the same every season.

With regard to today, maybe on reflection giving him a well earned rest might not be a bad thing.
Get behind him everyone and support him, encourage him. Players thrive on encouragement and supporters play a huge part in giving players confidence.

If we get the opportunity to sign him permanently we should jump at the chance imo.

Paul, sorry to step in mate but you have to allow people to pass comments on players performances, good or bad.
You too have had a pop at players, Bingham, Thomas, Gomes and May all spring to mind in recent weeks.

hound have i done something to upset you?

What have i said to not allow anyone else have a pop at players. Have i put out a ban on people making comments hound? All I said was there always seems to have to be a scapegoat. Sheaf is the one at the present time.
I agree he isn’t playing as well now as he was earlier in the season but there is a great deal of unwarranted criticism of him on this forum imo.

No mate, of course you haven’t upset me.
I myself have said that Sheaf hasn’t been lately at the level he was at earlier in the season.
I actually do agree that some fans have a downer on certain players, I hear them in the seats around me every week.
If those players do something bad they rip into them but if they do something good then they either don’t say anything or laugh and say he was lucky or something of the kind.
I picked up on your earlier post though because you yourself have also had a pop at our players, the ones I mentioned earlier immediately sprang to mind, but you have been jumping on others who have had a pop at Sheaf.
Nothing personal, just an observation, and there is nothing wrong with that.

[Campsall rover]

Well i like Sheaf. Think he will become a very good player.
His passing is often wayward agreed. He is naturally a defender and his main attribute is winning the ball and providing defensive cover in front of the back 4

He will improve his passing and vision and decision making given the amount of playing time he is being given by DM.
He has good coaches who will improve his weaknesses. Remember he is only 20yrs old and still learning his trade. This is his 1st season playing League football.

For some reason some of our supporters need to have a scapegoat someone to vent their anger on. Don’t know why but it’s the same every season.

With regard to today, maybe on reflection giving him a well earned rest might not be a bad thing.
Get behind him everyone and support him, encourage him. Players thrive on encouragement and supporters play a huge part in giving players confidence.

If we get the opportunity to sign him permanently we should jump at the chance imo.

Paul, sorry to step in mate but you have to allow people to pass comments on players performances, good or bad.
You too have had a pop at players, Bingham, Thomas, Gomes and May all spring to mind in recent weeks.

hound have i done something to upset you?

What have i said to not allow anyone else have a pop at players. Have i put out a ban on people making comments hound? All I said was there always seems to have to be a scapegoat. Sheaf is the one at the present time.
I agree he isn’t playing as well now as he was earlier in the season but there is a great deal of unwarranted criticism of him on this forum imo.

No mate, of course you haven’t upset me.
I myself have said that Sheaf hasn’t been lately at the level he was at earlier in the season.
I actually do agree that some fans have a downer on certain players, I hear them in the seats around me every week.
If those players do something bad they rip into them but if they do something good then they either don’t say anything or laugh and say he was lucky or something of the kind.
I picked up on your earlier post though because you yourself have also had a pop at our players, the ones I mentioned earlier immediately sprang to mind, but you have been jumping on others who have had a pop at Sheaf.
Nothing personal, just an observation, and there is nothing wrong with that.

Ok 

I did say Bingham, May and Thomas are not good enough for league 1 and i don’t think there are too many people that would disagree with me.
Depends how many we get in Jan as to whether we keep Thomas and use him as a different option off the bench if required.