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Quote from: Filo on December 29, 2019, 08:58:05 pmQuote from: NewDonny on December 29, 2019, 08:55:27 pmQuote from: Jonathan on December 29, 2019, 06:24:07 pmThree times we’ve played Sunderland in this division and each time we’ve been outmuscled across the pitch. We made it far too easy for them today. Gifted Gooch the freedom of the Keepmoat to get his shot away for their first goal. Rather than “play out from the back” we moved it slowly across the back line and invited their high press to put us under pressure with nowhere to go. For most of the game there was a huge hole in the middle of the park with neither Whiteman or Gomes affecting the game. It looks to me like our wide players are instructed to provide defensive cover by tucking in first, and getting forward later. Coppinger was largely crowded out and Ennis isolated. The one time in the first half that we got Coppinger facing goal and Sadlier running forward the two of them combined to set up Taylor and we scored. Unfortunately we then came out for the second half on the back foot again. Other than a couple of Sadlier efforts (one brilliant shot and one header that he knew he should’ve scored) and one long run by Taylor where he failed to get his head up, we barely threatened. They fully deserved their win. For me it’s just a shame that we didn’t give them more to think about. Gomes looked too slow in thought and Coppinger was not at his best and harried out of the game. But tactically I just felt we got the approach wrong. This should’ve been a good time to play Sunderland but we made it easy for them in the end. We need to sign Dieng. Our man of the match by some distance.It was a hard watch today, especially that first 25 minutes, we had no one centrally with a bit of composure, able to put a foot on the ball and get us playing going forward, although I thought we did get better in the second half and but for a bit more luck could have nicked it, but other than that I think you have it about spot on Jonathan.As for some on here suggesting that Sadlier was missing in action, I really wonder what game you were watching and suggest you watch the game back again, because but for him we would have created absolutely nothing today and that includes Taylors goal.Take your Sadlier blinkers off mate, he was missing for large parts of the gameChange the record will you, I say it as I see it, I certainly don't subscribe to rose tinted glasses and bytheway I am not your mate!He was involved in everything going forward and if there were parts of the game he was not involved then that will be because we insisted on attacking down the right side all too often.
Quote from: NewDonny on December 29, 2019, 08:55:27 pmQuote from: Jonathan on December 29, 2019, 06:24:07 pmThree times we’ve played Sunderland in this division and each time we’ve been outmuscled across the pitch. We made it far too easy for them today. Gifted Gooch the freedom of the Keepmoat to get his shot away for their first goal. Rather than “play out from the back” we moved it slowly across the back line and invited their high press to put us under pressure with nowhere to go. For most of the game there was a huge hole in the middle of the park with neither Whiteman or Gomes affecting the game. It looks to me like our wide players are instructed to provide defensive cover by tucking in first, and getting forward later. Coppinger was largely crowded out and Ennis isolated. The one time in the first half that we got Coppinger facing goal and Sadlier running forward the two of them combined to set up Taylor and we scored. Unfortunately we then came out for the second half on the back foot again. Other than a couple of Sadlier efforts (one brilliant shot and one header that he knew he should’ve scored) and one long run by Taylor where he failed to get his head up, we barely threatened. They fully deserved their win. For me it’s just a shame that we didn’t give them more to think about. Gomes looked too slow in thought and Coppinger was not at his best and harried out of the game. But tactically I just felt we got the approach wrong. This should’ve been a good time to play Sunderland but we made it easy for them in the end. We need to sign Dieng. Our man of the match by some distance.It was a hard watch today, especially that first 25 minutes, we had no one centrally with a bit of composure, able to put a foot on the ball and get us playing going forward, although I thought we did get better in the second half and but for a bit more luck could have nicked it, but other than that I think you have it about spot on Jonathan.As for some on here suggesting that Sadlier was missing in action, I really wonder what game you were watching and suggest you watch the game back again, because but for him we would have created absolutely nothing today and that includes Taylors goal.Take your Sadlier blinkers off mate, he was missing for large parts of the game
Quote from: Jonathan on December 29, 2019, 06:24:07 pmThree times we’ve played Sunderland in this division and each time we’ve been outmuscled across the pitch. We made it far too easy for them today. Gifted Gooch the freedom of the Keepmoat to get his shot away for their first goal. Rather than “play out from the back” we moved it slowly across the back line and invited their high press to put us under pressure with nowhere to go. For most of the game there was a huge hole in the middle of the park with neither Whiteman or Gomes affecting the game. It looks to me like our wide players are instructed to provide defensive cover by tucking in first, and getting forward later. Coppinger was largely crowded out and Ennis isolated. The one time in the first half that we got Coppinger facing goal and Sadlier running forward the two of them combined to set up Taylor and we scored. Unfortunately we then came out for the second half on the back foot again. Other than a couple of Sadlier efforts (one brilliant shot and one header that he knew he should’ve scored) and one long run by Taylor where he failed to get his head up, we barely threatened. They fully deserved their win. For me it’s just a shame that we didn’t give them more to think about. Gomes looked too slow in thought and Coppinger was not at his best and harried out of the game. But tactically I just felt we got the approach wrong. This should’ve been a good time to play Sunderland but we made it easy for them in the end. We need to sign Dieng. Our man of the match by some distance.It was a hard watch today, especially that first 25 minutes, we had no one centrally with a bit of composure, able to put a foot on the ball and get us playing going forward, although I thought we did get better in the second half and but for a bit more luck could have nicked it, but other than that I think you have it about spot on Jonathan.As for some on here suggesting that Sadlier was missing in action, I really wonder what game you were watching and suggest you watch the game back again, because but for him we would have created absolutely nothing today and that includes Taylors goal.
Three times we’ve played Sunderland in this division and each time we’ve been outmuscled across the pitch. We made it far too easy for them today. Gifted Gooch the freedom of the Keepmoat to get his shot away for their first goal. Rather than “play out from the back” we moved it slowly across the back line and invited their high press to put us under pressure with nowhere to go. For most of the game there was a huge hole in the middle of the park with neither Whiteman or Gomes affecting the game. It looks to me like our wide players are instructed to provide defensive cover by tucking in first, and getting forward later. Coppinger was largely crowded out and Ennis isolated. The one time in the first half that we got Coppinger facing goal and Sadlier running forward the two of them combined to set up Taylor and we scored. Unfortunately we then came out for the second half on the back foot again. Other than a couple of Sadlier efforts (one brilliant shot and one header that he knew he should’ve scored) and one long run by Taylor where he failed to get his head up, we barely threatened. They fully deserved their win. For me it’s just a shame that we didn’t give them more to think about. Gomes looked too slow in thought and Coppinger was not at his best and harried out of the game. But tactically I just felt we got the approach wrong. This should’ve been a good time to play Sunderland but we made it easy for them in the end. We need to sign Dieng. Our man of the match by some distance.
Quote from: NewDonny on December 29, 2019, 09:02:00 pmQuote from: Filo on December 29, 2019, 08:58:05 pmQuote from: NewDonny on December 29, 2019, 08:55:27 pmQuote from: Jonathan on December 29, 2019, 06:24:07 pmThree times we’ve played Sunderland in this division and each time we’ve been outmuscled across the pitch. We made it far too easy for them today. Gifted Gooch the freedom of the Keepmoat to get his shot away for their first goal. Rather than “play out from the back” we moved it slowly across the back line and invited their high press to put us under pressure with nowhere to go. For most of the game there was a huge hole in the middle of the park with neither Whiteman or Gomes affecting the game. It looks to me like our wide players are instructed to provide defensive cover by tucking in first, and getting forward later. Coppinger was largely crowded out and Ennis isolated. The one time in the first half that we got Coppinger facing goal and Sadlier running forward the two of them combined to set up Taylor and we scored. Unfortunately we then came out for the second half on the back foot again. Other than a couple of Sadlier efforts (one brilliant shot and one header that he knew he should’ve scored) and one long run by Taylor where he failed to get his head up, we barely threatened. They fully deserved their win. For me it’s just a shame that we didn’t give them more to think about. Gomes looked too slow in thought and Coppinger was not at his best and harried out of the game. But tactically I just felt we got the approach wrong. This should’ve been a good time to play Sunderland but we made it easy for them in the end. We need to sign Dieng. Our man of the match by some distance.It was a hard watch today, especially that first 25 minutes, we had no one centrally with a bit of composure, able to put a foot on the ball and get us playing going forward, although I thought we did get better in the second half and but for a bit more luck could have nicked it, but other than that I think you have it about spot on Jonathan.As for some on here suggesting that Sadlier was missing in action, I really wonder what game you were watching and suggest you watch the game back again, because but for him we would have created absolutely nothing today and that includes Taylors goal.Take your Sadlier blinkers off mate, he was missing for large parts of the gameChange the record will you, I say it as I see it, I certainly don't subscribe to rose tinted glasses and bytheway I am not your mate!He was involved in everything going forward and if there were parts of the game he was not involved then that will be because we insisted on attacking down the right side all too often.I can live with not being your mate, but I also say it as I see it, Today he was all too often waiting for the ball to arrive at his feet, you know sometimes you need to go after the ball, yes he was involved in the goal, he had one decent shot and a chance of a header that he should have done miles better with, but as I say for large parts of the game he was missing, to balance things out a bit other players were n’t at the races either.You point regarding rose tinted glasses doesn’t stand up, evertime anyone suggests Sadlier did n’t play well you are on them like a ton of bricks
It's the model the club want to approach though. Loans and short term contracts, and hope it comes good.
I think even Bolton may pass us.
For all those who don’t think we need re-inforcements in midfield, you got your answer tonight. The front 4 were, quite simply, not at the races. Only Taylor can hold his head up, after that showing, but even he disappeared later in the second half. When the manager has to revert to bringing on Thomas and Watters, you know the race is run. We desperately need some quality signings and if we don’t ‘get them over the line’, I think even Bolton may pass us.
Quote from: Donny Exile in York on December 29, 2019, 08:27:17 pmIt's like watching Dickov football at home st the moment I'm afraid to say.. though Sadlier had a great chance or two second half..Forgot Sadlier was on the pitch at times, he was nesh in the tackle, and all too often just waited for the ball to come to him rather than trying to get to a ball first
It's like watching Dickov football at home st the moment I'm afraid to say.. though Sadlier had a great chance or two second half..
Quote from: Alan Southstand on December 29, 2019, 10:31:31 pmBolton won't finish higher than us, no chance.I wouldn't be so sure , in points gained they are only 6 behind us having played the same amount of games.Don't forget that they also played their first 6/7 games with basically a youth team.
Bolton won't finish higher than us, no chance.
Dickov football at best.. proverbial chickens home to roost regarding striker situation... all you summer transfer window brigade or false number 9s or Kwiyoma a chance brigade.. this is exactly why I was so passionately berate come late August.. cos it was obvious to anyone with an ounce of football brain we had left ourselves high and dry with no goals upfront (which one of you talked about having football vision the rest of us didnt have re our goalscoring situation.. shabby, vaya, Campbell rover.. I dont know cant remember, but whoever it was you know and your a footballing imbecile..) we have good centre halfs and in Sadlier, Taylor, Whiteman and Coppinger goals and assists from midfield but we have zero goals outlet upfront.. if we dont sort it out in January it will be a very long second half of the season..
Quote from: Donny Exile in York on December 29, 2019, 09:37:19 pmDickov football at best.. proverbial chickens home to roost regarding striker situation... all you summer transfer window brigade or false number 9s or Kwiyoma a chance brigade.. this is exactly why I was so passionately berate come late August.. cos it was obvious to anyone with an ounce of football brain we had left ourselves high and dry with no goals upfront (which one of you talked about having football vision the rest of us didnt have re our goalscoring situation.. shabby, vaya, Campbell rover.. I dont know cant remember, but whoever it was you know and your a footballing imbecile..) we have good centre halfs and in Sadlier, Taylor, Whiteman and Coppinger goals and assists from midfield but we have zero goals outlet upfront.. if we dont sort it out in January it will be a very long second half of the season..My user name is Campsall rover not Campbell. It’s after the village to the north of Doncaster near Askern, Norton, Sutton & Burghwallis. 2nd point i don’t know what on Earth you are talking about and who are you calling “a footballing imbecile” We all know we need a goal scorer in the team. Who has said we don’t? Is there any need for a post like that. Shabby, Vaya and myself are positive with our posts but if you think any of us have said we don’t need a striker you must have been on another clubs forum.
Pre-season was a mess and we have had disruption and unfortunate injuries, but what was true for the failed tenures of Dickov and Ferguson has also to apply to Moore. If the Board is providing a top 6 budget and the manager is delivering us mid-table finishes (Dickov) or relegation (Ferguson) then that is not good enough. With that budget we need to be top half as minimum and pushing for play offs as a realistic expectation. With games in hand we could end up matching what the budget should reasonably deliver but it would be a poor season if we are lurking in bottom half as Ferguson delivered us. What applied to his failed tenure has also to apply to Moore.
Quote from: Campsall rover on December 30, 2019, 09:13:19 amQuote from: Donny Exile in York on December 29, 2019, 09:37:19 pmDickov football at best.. proverbial chickens home to roost regarding striker situation... all you summer transfer window brigade or false number 9s or Kwiyoma a chance brigade.. this is exactly why I was so passionately berate come late August.. cos it was obvious to anyone with an ounce of football brain we had left ourselves high and dry with no goals upfront (which one of you talked about having football vision the rest of us didnt have re our goalscoring situation.. shabby, vaya, Campbell rover.. I dont know cant remember, but whoever it was you know and your a footballing imbecile..) we have good centre halfs and in Sadlier, Taylor, Whiteman and Coppinger goals and assists from midfield but we have zero goals outlet upfront.. if we dont sort it out in January it will be a very long second half of the season..My user name is Campsall rover not Campbell. It’s after the village to the north of Doncaster near Askern, Norton, Sutton & Burghwallis. 2nd point i don’t know what on Earth you are talking about and who are you calling “a footballing imbecile” We all know we need a goal scorer in the team. Who has said we don’t? Is there any need for a post like that. Shabby, Vaya and myself are positive with our posts but if you think any of us have said we don’t need a striker you must have been on another clubs forum.It was a typo re Campbell but probably quite apt as your footballing vision is akin to Neil Campbell as a striker equivalent.. it now comes back to me it was you who proclaimed some on here didnt have the same footballing vision re our striker situation... 3 months on I bow to your vision and proclaimed wisdom..
Despite Sunderland’s league position, they were the best team I’ve seen this season , I doubt any of our players would get in their team. I’m positive they’ll start to climb the table. We’re an average team in this league, we’ll finish mid table probably, what do people honestly expect? We’re in about the right position for a club our size, cool your jets people!
Average compared to what.? They battled and fought for their win as much as any other opponent we have faced this season..
Quote from: Donny Exile in York on December 30, 2019, 10:00:48 amQuote from: Campsall rover on December 30, 2019, 09:13:19 amQuote from: Donny Exile in York on December 29, 2019, 09:37:19 pmDickov football at best.. proverbial chickens home to roost regarding striker situation... all you summer transfer window brigade or false number 9s or Kwiyoma a chance brigade.. this is exactly why I was so passionately berate come late August.. cos it was obvious to anyone with an ounce of football brain we had left ourselves high and dry with no goals upfront (which one of you talked about having football vision the rest of us didnt have re our goalscoring situation.. shabby, vaya, Campbell rover.. I dont know cant remember, but whoever it was you know and your a footballing imbecile..) we have good centre halfs and in Sadlier, Taylor, Whiteman and Coppinger goals and assists from midfield but we have zero goals outlet upfront.. if we dont sort it out in January it will be a very long second half of the season..My user name is Campsall rover not Campbell. It’s after the village to the north of Doncaster near Askern, Norton, Sutton & Burghwallis. 2nd point i don’t know what on Earth you are talking about and who are you calling “a footballing imbecile” We all know we need a goal scorer in the team. Who has said we don’t? Is there any need for a post like that. Shabby, Vaya and myself are positive with our posts but if you think any of us have said we don’t need a striker you must have been on another clubs forum.It was a typo re Campbell but probably quite apt as your footballing vision is akin to Neil Campbell as a striker equivalent.. it now comes back to me it was you who proclaimed some on here didnt have the same footballing vision re our striker situation... 3 months on I bow to your vision and proclaimed wisdom.. Bore off DEIY. At least Campsall contributes to debate and has a view and contributes rather taking shots from the cheap seats!