Six first team players

[Campsall rover]

If you’re happy with this then fine but for me I feel we lose our identity going down this route. Obviously we take on some loan players but there has to be a balance or it ceases to be your team.

In most games this season we have started with 3/4 loan players.
What’s the problem that’s 7/8 of our own.

Are we bottom of the League?  Won 8 D7 L6  2/3 games in hand on everyone except Fleetwood.
Win tomorrow 2 points outside the play offs.

There is absolutely no team spirit in this group is there.
Oh yes i think there might be. Loads of it.

No the problem is some people are only happy when they can have a good old winge. Simple as that. SAD.

You do need to calm down at tad. You can’t come on here and accuse people of not having brains just because their opinion differs from yours.
If someone dared to talk to you in the same manner you’d have a meltdown

They can say whatever they like. I have got a thick skin. Have to listen to you having a go at me don’t i.

Just a couple of questions. Am i not allowed to have an opinion? Am i only allowed to agree with negative posts?
Yes how many times have i said everyone is allowed an opinion? Of course the don’t have to agree with me.

But there are some on here who just are not able or simply as in the most likely case, don’t want to see anything positive about the Club.

You were 3 years ago one of the most positive posters on this forum and went ballistic about the negative posters on this forum.
Now you have joined their ranks. Why? It’s a real mystery to me you have so much anger & bitterness in your posts. Please tell me why this club is not operating the way it should?

Whose model should we follow. Bury, Bolton, Fleetwood ( yes on long term a slippery path imo. )
Or should we try and build something really solid, something our Grandchildren & Great Grandchildren will be able & proud to follow in 10/20/30/50 years time.

Choice is yours, but if you want the former then go and watch another club who have a long term death wish and not one as ours does which has a long term strategy for progress and success.

Again, how does signing our own players rather than loans mean we will end up like Bury or Bolton. You say it all the time. Why would it happen?

Redarmy82 when did i say signing our own players, we would end up like Bury or Bolton.
Please show me just one post which remotely suggests that.

Spending silly money on Transfer Fees, agents fees and Wages then we could.
Of course we need to sign our own players but ones we can afford without putting the club’s future at risk.

Most clubs at League 1 &  2 level have a compliment of loanees from higher up the pyramid.
That is a common sense way of getting better quality in the squad at an affordable cost.
Good for the parent club and good for the clubs taking them on.
It’s a win win situation and this is going to get more & more prevalent as the years go by.

People really do need to look at the big picture. Balancing the books is no easy thing for any football club and i think those of us which i suspect, is just about everyone on this forum, who have no experience of running a Professional Football Club, leave it to those who do know how to run one.
We are very luck to have one of the most successful business men in Yorkshire as our major shareholder and a man with a very successful track record in running a large sporting complex and business record as our Chief Executive.
Also we have a manager who has played or managed at all levels of the English game which will have given him huge experience of the transfer market.

What’s not to like. Nothing’s perfect is it. Never ever has been, It never will be.
But the JR and TB/DW years have given us some unbelievable times we will all never forget.
Stoke, Cardiff, Wembley & Brentford just to mention the big 4
There have been some fantastic Cup nights, including being seconds away & then a penalty shoot out from a major cup semi final appearance. Our best FA cup run since the mid 1950’s

We have a recent history of success ( last 18 seasons ) few other league clubs can compete with outside the premier league.

Seriously what’s not to like.
 
If you have the same outlook for the future of our great club that i have, then you will know the very best years are yet to come.
But it ain’t going to happen overnight. No boom & bust for DRFC

The word is sustainability, a swear world to some on here it seems. But when the owners get the club into that situation and it’s getting closer season on season then the club can move to its next level regarding a quality playing squad.
We will within the next 5 years I believe have a team in the Championship playing in front of ave gates of 12/13.000 + yes nothing massive by comparison to most but enough to give the club a chance of establishing itself at that level.
Burnley ( that’s what they got in 2nd tier ) Blackpool, Preston, Millwall, Barnsley, Luton ( restricted capacity ) Wigan etc all get at that level.
Please don’t tell me we will never be able to compete at the 2nd tier as i don’t buy it at all.

Difficult, but with the right structures in place and a really good manager who can work with players and improve them then it is very possible.

Look at SOD’s team. How may of them had 2nd tier experience when we went up in 2007/08
Neil Sullivan, Gareth Roberts ( a little with Tranmere) and John Oster and for a very short period we had Gareth Taylor.

We were one striker that first season away from being a top 7/8 team imo. Good managers make good players. SOD was one and DM will be the same. If we keep him and get that continuity we will be back up there with the big boys, but as a stronger club throughout.

[NickDRFC]

Regarding loans, I've just had a look at appearances made by loan players and compared it to the last 5 seasons (info from wiki so might not be entirely accurate, all competitions including sub appearances)...

Season - Total appearances - Loanee appearances - %age - Total loanees
2015/16 - 718 - 153 - 21.3% - 14
2016/17 - 699 - 119 - 17.0% - 4
2017/18 - 755 - 136 - 18.0% - 5
2018/19 - 815 - 120 - 14.7% - 6
2019/20 - 396 - 93 - 23.5% - 6 (as at 1st Jan)

So there's definitely a much greater dependence on loanees than we've had previously. We've had as many loanees already as the most we've had in the past 4 years, and will likely add at least 2 more to replace Sterling & Daniels in January (I see the 2015-16 total loanees as a bit of an outlier as the majority were either short term cover or desperate throws of the dice with relegation looming). We also have had almost a quarter of our first team appearances by loanees which seems a really high number (though to be fair no idea how this compares with most other clubs*).

The loan system is great for allowing us to get players of Kane's & John's quality but there's definitely the downside that an overdependence means constant squad upheaval. We need to make sure that we're striking the right balance between building and developing our own players and bringing in loanees, and right now I don't think we are - hopefully that's just the circumstances of the summer though, rather than a long term strategy.

*Charlton's figures for last season were 6 loanees (only 5 of which played), making 15.5% of total appearances. I've seen them mentioned a few times as a team that were largely made up of loanees but it's not really comparable to our situation so far this season.

[Campsall rover]

Regarding loans, I've just had a look at appearances made by loan players and compared it to the last 5 seasons (info from wiki so might not be entirely accurate, all competitions including sub appearances)...

Season - Total appearances - Loanee appearances - %age - Total loanees
2015/16 - 718 - 153 - 21.3% - 14
2016/17 - 699 - 119 - 17.0% - 4
2017/18 - 755 - 136 - 18.0% - 5
2018/19 - 815 - 120 - 14.7% - 6
2019/20 - 396 - 93 - 23.5% - 6 (as at 1st Jan)

So there's definitely a much greater dependence on loanees than we've had previously. We've had as many loanees already as the most we've had in the past 4 years, and will likely add at least 2 more to replace Sterling & Daniels in January (I see the 2015-16 total loanees as a bit of an outlier as the majority were either short term cover or desperate throws of the dice with relegation looming). We also have had almost a quarter of our first team appearances by loanees which seems a really high number (though to be fair no idea how this compares with most other clubs*).

The loan system is great for allowing us to get players of Kane's & John's quality but there's definitely the downside that an overdependence means constant squad upheaval. We need to make sure that we're striking the right balance between building and developing our own players and bringing in loanees, and right now I don't think we are - hopefully that's just the circumstances of the summer though, rather than a long term strategy.

*Charlton's figures for last season were 6 loanees (only 5 of which played), making 15.5% of total appearances. I've seen them mentioned a few times as a team that were largely made up of loanees but it's not really comparable to our situation so far this season.

This season so far it’s loanees or we get more Thomas’s & Bingham’s. DM has had his hands tied.
This window we might get a couple of permanent signing but it’s only might.
In the Summer i would expect 5/6 .

[dickos1]

If you’re happy with this then fine but for me I feel we lose our identity going down this route. Obviously we take on some loan players but there has to be a balance or it ceases to be your team.

In most games this season we have started with 3/4 loan players.
What’s the problem that’s 7/8 of our own.

Are we bottom of the League?  Won 8 D7 L6  2/3 games in hand on everyone except Fleetwood.
Win tomorrow 2 points outside the play offs.

There is absolutely no team spirit in this group is there.
Oh yes i think there might be. Loads of it.

No the problem is some people are only happy when they can have a good old winge. Simple as that. SAD.

You do need to calm down at tad. You can’t come on here and accuse people of not having brains just because their opinion differs from yours.
If someone dared to talk to you in the same manner you’d have a meltdown

They can say whatever they like. I have got a thick skin. Have to listen to you having a go at me don’t i.

Just a couple of questions. Am i not allowed to have an opinion? Am i only allowed to agree with negative posts?
Yes how many times have i said everyone is allowed an opinion? Of course the don’t have to agree with me.

But there are some on here who just are not able or simply as in the most likely case, don’t want to see anything positive about the Club.

You were 3 years ago one of the most positive posters on this forum and went ballistic about the negative posters on this forum.
Now you have joined their ranks. Why? It’s a real mystery to me you have so much anger & bitterness in your posts. Please tell me why this club is not operating the way it should?

Whose model should we follow. Bury, Bolton, Fleetwood ( yes on long term a slippery path imo. )
Or should we try and build something really solid, something our Grandchildren & Great Grandchildren will be able & proud to follow in 10/20/30/50 years time.

Choice is yours, but if you want the former then go and watch another club who have a long term death wish and not one as ours does which has a long term strategy for progress and success.

Again, how does signing our own players rather than loans mean we will end up like Bury or Bolton. You say it all the time. Why would it happen?

Redarmy82 when did i say signing our own players, we would end up like Bury or Bolton.
Please show me just one post which remotely suggests that.

Spending silly money on Transfer Fees, agents fees and Wages then we could.
Of course we need to sign our own players but ones we can afford without putting the club’s future at risk.

Most clubs at League 1 &  2 level have a compliment of loanees from higher up the pyramid.
That is a common sense way of getting better quality in the squad at an affordable cost.
Good for the parent club and good for the clubs taking them on.
It’s a win win situation and this is going to get more & more prevalent as the years go by.

People really do need to look at the big picture. Balancing the books is no easy thing for any football club and i think those of us which i suspect, is just about everyone on this forum, who have no experience of running a Professional Football Club, leave it to those who do know how to run one.
We are very luck to have one of the most successful business men in Yorkshire as our major shareholder and a man with a very successful track record in running a large sporting complex and business record as our Chief Executive.
Also we have a manager who has played or managed at all levels of the English game which will have given him huge experience of the transfer market.

What’s not to like. Nothing’s perfect is it. Never ever has been, It never will be.
But the JR and TB/DW years have given us some unbelievable times we will all never forget.
Stoke, Cardiff, Wembley & Brentford just to mention the big 4
There have been some fantastic Cup nights, including being seconds away & then a penalty shoot out from a major cup semi final appearance. Our best FA cup run since the mid 1950’s

We have a recent history of success ( last 18 seasons ) few other league clubs can compete with outside the premier league.

Seriously what’s not to like.
 
If you have the same outlook for the future of our great club that i have, then you will know the very best years are yet to come.
But it ain’t going to happen overnight. No boom & bust for DRFC

The word is sustainability, a swear world to some on here it seems. But when the owners get the club into that situation and it’s getting closer season on season then the club can move to its next level regarding a quality playing squad.
We will within the next 5 years I believe have a team in the Championship playing in front of ave gates of 12/13.000 + yes nothing massive by comparison to most but enough to give the club a chance of establishing itself at that level.
Burnley ( that’s what they got in 2nd tier ) Blackpool, Preston, Millwall, Barnsley, Luton ( restricted capacity ) Wigan etc all get at that level.
Please don’t tell me we will never be able to compete at the 2nd tier as i don’t buy it at all.

Difficult, but with the right structures in place and a really good manager who can work with players and improve them then it is very possible.

Look at SOD’s team. How may of them had 2nd tier experience when we went up in 2007/08
Neil Sullivan, Gareth Roberts ( a little with Tranmere) and John Oster and for a very short period we had Gareth Taylor.

We were one striker that first season away from being a top 7/8 team imo. Good managers make good players. SOD was one and DM will be the same. If we keep him and get that continuity we will be back up there with the big boys, but as a stronger club throughout.

But not one single person has suggested signing players for ridiculous transfer fees or ridiculous wages or high agent fees
Only time I ever read these comments it’s in your posts

[Campsall rover]

If you’re happy with this then fine but for me I feel we lose our identity going down this route. Obviously we take on some loan players but there has to be a balance or it ceases to be your team.

In most games this season we have started with 3/4 loan players.
What’s the problem that’s 7/8 of our own.

Are we bottom of the League?  Won 8 D7 L6  2/3 games in hand on everyone except Fleetwood.
Win tomorrow 2 points outside the play offs.

There is absolutely no team spirit in this group is there.
Oh yes i think there might be. Loads of it.

No the problem is some people are only happy when they can have a good old winge. Simple as that. SAD.

You do need to calm down at tad. You can’t come on here and accuse people of not having brains just because their opinion differs from yours.
If someone dared to talk to you in the same manner you’d have a meltdown

They can say whatever they like. I have got a thick skin. Have to listen to you having a go at me don’t i.

Just a couple of questions. Am i not allowed to have an opinion? Am i only allowed to agree with negative posts?
Yes how many times have i said everyone is allowed an opinion? Of course the don’t have to agree with me.

But there are some on here who just are not able or simply as in the most likely case, don’t want to see anything positive about the Club.

You were 3 years ago one of the most positive posters on this forum and went ballistic about the negative posters on this forum.
Now you have joined their ranks. Why? It’s a real mystery to me you have so much anger & bitterness in your posts. Please tell me why this club is not operating the way it should?

Whose model should we follow. Bury, Bolton, Fleetwood ( yes on long term a slippery path imo. )
Or should we try and build something really solid, something our Grandchildren & Great Grandchildren will be able & proud to follow in 10/20/30/50 years time.

Choice is yours, but if you want the former then go and watch another club who have a long term death wish and not one as ours does which has a long term strategy for progress and success.

Again, how does signing our own players rather than loans mean we will end up like Bury or Bolton. You say it all the time. Why would it happen?

Redarmy82 when did i say signing our own players, we would end up like Bury or Bolton.
Please show me just one post which remotely suggests that.

Spending silly money on Transfer Fees, agents fees and Wages then we could.
Of course we need to sign our own players but ones we can afford without putting the club’s future at risk.

Most clubs at League 1 &  2 level have a compliment of loanees from higher up the pyramid.
That is a common sense way of getting better quality in the squad at an affordable cost.
Good for the parent club and good for the clubs taking them on.
It’s a win win situation and this is going to get more & more prevalent as the years go by.

People really do need to look at the big picture. Balancing the books is no easy thing for any football club and i think those of us which i suspect, is just about everyone on this forum, who have no experience of running a Professional Football Club, leave it to those who do know how to run one.
We are very luck to have one of the most successful business men in Yorkshire as our major shareholder and a man with a very successful track record in running a large sporting complex and business record as our Chief Executive.
Also we have a manager who has played or managed at all levels of the English game which will have given him huge experience of the transfer market.

What’s not to like. Nothing’s perfect is it. Never ever has been, It never will be.
But the JR and TB/DW years have given us some unbelievable times we will all never forget.
Stoke, Cardiff, Wembley & Brentford just to mention the big 4
There have been some fantastic Cup nights, including being seconds away & then a penalty shoot out from a major cup semi final appearance. Our best FA cup run since the mid 1950’s

We have a recent history of success ( last 18 seasons ) few other league clubs can compete with outside the premier league.

Seriously what’s not to like.
 
If you have the same outlook for the future of our great club that i have, then you will know the very best years are yet to come.
But it ain’t going to happen overnight. No boom & bust for DRFC

The word is sustainability, a swear world to some on here it seems. But when the owners get the club into that situation and it’s getting closer season on season then the club can move to its next level regarding a quality playing squad.
We will within the next 5 years I believe have a team in the Championship playing in front of ave gates of 12/13.000 + yes nothing massive by comparison to most but enough to give the club a chance of establishing itself at that level.
Burnley ( that’s what they got in 2nd tier ) Blackpool, Preston, Millwall, Barnsley, Luton ( restricted capacity ) Wigan etc all get at that level.
Please don’t tell me we will never be able to compete at the 2nd tier as i don’t buy it at all.

Difficult, but with the right structures in place and a really good manager who can work with players and improve them then it is very possible.

Look at SOD’s team. How may of them had 2nd tier experience when we went up in 2007/08
Neil Sullivan, Gareth Roberts ( a little with Tranmere) and John Oster and for a very short period we had Gareth Taylor.

We were one striker that first season away from being a top 7/8 team imo. Good managers make good players. SOD was one and DM will be the same. If we keep him and get that continuity we will be back up there with the big boys, but as a stronger club throughout.

But not one single person has suggested signing players for ridiculous transfer fees or ridiculous wages or high agent fees
Only time I ever read these comments it’s in your posts

Excuse me. How many times has the Marquis money been mentioned and why we haven’t spent it.
Also our Cup run money last year. Same with that.

[redarmy82]

If you’re happy with this then fine but for me I feel we lose our identity going down this route. Obviously we take on some loan players but there has to be a balance or it ceases to be your team.

In most games this season we have started with 3/4 loan players.
What’s the problem that’s 7/8 of our own.

Are we bottom of the League?  Won 8 D7 L6  2/3 games in hand on everyone except Fleetwood.
Win tomorrow 2 points outside the play offs.

There is absolutely no team spirit in this group is there.
Oh yes i think there might be. Loads of it.

No the problem is some people are only happy when they can have a good old winge. Simple as that. SAD.

You do need to calm down at tad. You can’t come on here and accuse people of not having brains just because their opinion differs from yours.
If someone dared to talk to you in the same manner you’d have a meltdown

They can say whatever they like. I have got a thick skin. Have to listen to you having a go at me don’t i.

Just a couple of questions. Am i not allowed to have an opinion? Am i only allowed to agree with negative posts?
Yes how many times have i said everyone is allowed an opinion? Of course the don’t have to agree with me.

But there are some on here who just are not able or simply as in the most likely case, don’t want to see anything positive about the Club.

You were 3 years ago one of the most positive posters on this forum and went ballistic about the negative posters on this forum.
Now you have joined their ranks. Why? It’s a real mystery to me you have so much anger & bitterness in your posts. Please tell me why this club is not operating the way it should?

Whose model should we follow. Bury, Bolton, Fleetwood ( yes on long term a slippery path imo. )
Or should we try and build something really solid, something our Grandchildren & Great Grandchildren will be able & proud to follow in 10/20/30/50 years time.

Choice is yours, but if you want the former then go and watch another club who have a long term death wish and not one as ours does which has a long term strategy for progress and success.

Again, how does signing our own players rather than loans mean we will end up like Bury or Bolton. You say it all the time. Why would it happen?

Redarmy82 when did i say signing our own players, we would end up like Bury or Bolton.
Please show me just one post which remotely suggests that.

Spending silly money on Transfer Fees, agents fees and Wages then we could.
Of course we need to sign our own players but ones we can afford without putting the club’s future at risk.

Most clubs at League 1 &  2 level have a compliment of loanees from higher up the pyramid.
That is a common sense way of getting better quality in the squad at an affordable cost.
Good for the parent club and good for the clubs taking them on.
It’s a win win situation and this is going to get more & more prevalent as the years go by.

People really do need to look at the big picture. Balancing the books is no easy thing for any football club and i think those of us which i suspect, is just about everyone on this forum, who have no experience of running a Professional Football Club, leave it to those who do know how to run one.
We are very luck to have one of the most successful business men in Yorkshire as our major shareholder and a man with a very successful track record in running a large sporting complex and business record as our Chief Executive.
Also we have a manager who has played or managed at all levels of the English game which will have given him huge experience of the transfer market.

What’s not to like. Nothing’s perfect is it. Never ever has been, It never will be.
But the JR and TB/DW years have given us some unbelievable times we will all never forget.
Stoke, Cardiff, Wembley & Brentford just to mention the big 4
There have been some fantastic Cup nights, including being seconds away & then a penalty shoot out from a major cup semi final appearance. Our best FA cup run since the mid 1950’s

We have a recent history of success ( last 18 seasons ) few other league clubs can compete with outside the premier league.

Seriously what’s not to like.
 
If you have the same outlook for the future of our great club that i have, then you will know the very best years are yet to come.
But it ain’t going to happen overnight. No boom & bust for DRFC

The word is sustainability, a swear world to some on here it seems. But when the owners get the club into that situation and it’s getting closer season on season then the club can move to its next level regarding a quality playing squad.
We will within the next 5 years I believe have a team in the Championship playing in front of ave gates of 12/13.000 + yes nothing massive by comparison to most but enough to give the club a chance of establishing itself at that level.
Burnley ( that’s what they got in 2nd tier ) Blackpool, Preston, Millwall, Barnsley, Luton ( restricted capacity ) Wigan etc all get at that level.
Please don’t tell me we will never be able to compete at the 2nd tier as i don’t buy it at all.

Difficult, but with the right structures in place and a really good manager who can work with players and improve them then it is very possible.

Look at SOD’s team. How may of them had 2nd tier experience when we went up in 2007/08
Neil Sullivan, Gareth Roberts ( a little with Tranmere) and John Oster and for a very short period we had Gareth Taylor.

We were one striker that first season away from being a top 7/8 team imo. Good managers make good players. SOD was one and DM will be the same. If we keep him and get that continuity we will be back up there with the big boys, but as a stronger club throughout.

But not one single person has suggested signing players for ridiculous transfer fees or ridiculous wages or high agent fees
Only time I ever read these comments it’s in your posts

Excuse me. How many times has the Marquis money been mentioned and why we haven’t spent it.
Also our Cup run money last year. Same with that.

The board went on record and said the Marquis money would be given to the manager to spend. I haven't seen any evidence of that so far.

[Campsall rover]

How does he spend it out of the transfer window?

So we should just blow it on anybody should we?

Say something constructive. We have heard this same tripe week after week.
Change the record.

[IDM]

You haven’t seen evidence of the money being spent, or given to the manager.?

Perhaps, as looks the case to me, he hasn’t spent it YET.?

If you mean the latter, how would you know.?

[DonnyBazR0ver]

The loans must be gratis then!

Once again. The manager chooses how he wants to spend the budget. We have no clue what's been spent on what or whom, so the debate is pointless.

[redarmy82]

The loans must be gratis then!

Once again. The manager chooses how he wants to spend the budget. We have no clue what's been spent on what or whom, so the debate is pointless.

Any debate is pointless then. Might as well close the forum down.

[BillyStubbsTears]

Look at SOD’s team. How may of them had 2nd tier experience when we went up in 2007/08
Neil Sullivan, Gareth Roberts ( a little with Tranmere) and John Oster and for a very short period we had Gareth Taylor.

We were one striker that first season away from being a top 7/8 team imo. Good managers make good players. SOD was one and DM will be the same. If we keep him and get that continuity we will be back up there with the big boys, but as a stronger club throughout.[

Point of fact (cos, like, I always have to get this point across at least once a year).

In 2008/09, we had a striker who was on the bench for 21 of the first 23 games, but who then was the second highest scorer in the Championship over the second half of the season.

[dickos1]

If you’re happy with this then fine but for me I feel we lose our identity going down this route. Obviously we take on some loan players but there has to be a balance or it ceases to be your team.

In most games this season we have started with 3/4 loan players.
What’s the problem that’s 7/8 of our own.

Are we bottom of the League?  Won 8 D7 L6  2/3 games in hand on everyone except Fleetwood.
Win tomorrow 2 points outside the play offs.

There is absolutely no team spirit in this group is there.
Oh yes i think there might be. Loads of it.

No the problem is some people are only happy when they can have a good old winge. Simple as that. SAD.

You do need to calm down at tad. You can’t come on here and accuse people of not having brains just because their opinion differs from yours.
If someone dared to talk to you in the same manner you’d have a meltdown

They can say whatever they like. I have got a thick skin. Have to listen to you having a go at me don’t i.

Just a couple of questions. Am i not allowed to have an opinion? Am i only allowed to agree with negative posts?
Yes how many times have i said everyone is allowed an opinion? Of course the don’t have to agree with me.

But there are some on here who just are not able or simply as in the most likely case, don’t want to see anything positive about the Club.

You were 3 years ago one of the most positive posters on this forum and went ballistic about the negative posters on this forum.
Now you have joined their ranks. Why? It’s a real mystery to me you have so much anger & bitterness in your posts. Please tell me why this club is not operating the way it should?

Whose model should we follow. Bury, Bolton, Fleetwood ( yes on long term a slippery path imo. )
Or should we try and build something really solid, something our Grandchildren & Great Grandchildren will be able & proud to follow in 10/20/30/50 years time.

Choice is yours, but if you want the former then go and watch another club who have a long term death wish and not one as ours does which has a long term strategy for progress and success.

Again, how does signing our own players rather than loans mean we will end up like Bury or Bolton. You say it all the time. Why would it happen?

Redarmy82 when did i say signing our own players, we would end up like Bury or Bolton.
Please show me just one post which remotely suggests that.

Spending silly money on Transfer Fees, agents fees and Wages then we could.
Of course we need to sign our own players but ones we can afford without putting the club’s future at risk.

Most clubs at League 1 &  2 level have a compliment of loanees from higher up the pyramid.
That is a common sense way of getting better quality in the squad at an affordable cost.
Good for the parent club and good for the clubs taking them on.
It’s a win win situation and this is going to get more & more prevalent as the years go by.

People really do need to look at the big picture. Balancing the books is no easy thing for any football club and i think those of us which i suspect, is just about everyone on this forum, who have no experience of running a Professional Football Club, leave it to those who do know how to run one.
We are very luck to have one of the most successful business men in Yorkshire as our major shareholder and a man with a very successful track record in running a large sporting complex and business record as our Chief Executive.
Also we have a manager who has played or managed at all levels of the English game which will have given him huge experience of the transfer market.

What’s not to like. Nothing’s perfect is it. Never ever has been, It never will be.
But the JR and TB/DW years have given us some unbelievable times we will all never forget.
Stoke, Cardiff, Wembley & Brentford just to mention the big 4
There have been some fantastic Cup nights, including being seconds away & then a penalty shoot out from a major cup semi final appearance. Our best FA cup run since the mid 1950’s

We have a recent history of success ( last 18 seasons ) few other league clubs can compete with outside the premier league.

Seriously what’s not to like.
 
If you have the same outlook for the future of our great club that i have, then you will know the very best years are yet to come.
But it ain’t going to happen overnight. No boom & bust for DRFC

The word is sustainability, a swear world to some on here it seems. But when the owners get the club into that situation and it’s getting closer season on season then the club can move to its next level regarding a quality playing squad.
We will within the next 5 years I believe have a team in the Championship playing in front of ave gates of 12/13.000 + yes nothing massive by comparison to most but enough to give the club a chance of establishing itself at that level.
Burnley ( that’s what they got in 2nd tier ) Blackpool, Preston, Millwall, Barnsley, Luton ( restricted capacity ) Wigan etc all get at that level.
Please don’t tell me we will never be able to compete at the 2nd tier as i don’t buy it at all.

Difficult, but with the right structures in place and a really good manager who can work with players and improve them then it is very possible.

Look at SOD’s team. How may of them had 2nd tier experience when we went up in 2007/08
Neil Sullivan, Gareth Roberts ( a little with Tranmere) and John Oster and for a very short period we had Gareth Taylor.

We were one striker that first season away from being a top 7/8 team imo. Good managers make good players. SOD was one and DM will be the same. If we keep him and get that continuity we will be back up there with the big boys, but as a stronger club throughout.

But not one single person has suggested signing players for ridiculous transfer fees or ridiculous wages or high agent fees
Only time I ever read these comments it’s in your posts

Excuse me. How many times has the Marquis money been mentioned and why we haven’t spent it.
Also our Cup run money last year. Same with that.

People asking why we haven’t spent money that’s been made is certainly not paramount to people wanting to spend silly money on transfer fees, wages and agents fees.
How on earth do you come to this conclusion??

Especially when gavin has always always always stated that money generated by the football team will be spent on the football team

[Campsall rover]

dickos why can’t yo let it go.

There were many suggesting we sign Clarke-Harris. How much do you think he would cost us.
Also bring in Leon Clark on loan. What would his wages be. Think you were one of those were you not?

Both are just 2 examples of people wanting us to spend huge and unrealistic sums of money.
But don’t let me stop you having the last say.

Over and out on this one. Another argument brewing. Not going there OK.

[Chris Black come back]

A modest point of order.

There is a set budget each year for the manager to spend. We have just agreed contract extensions with Ben Whiteman and Tom Anderson, which almost every single supporter welcomed. It is very highly unlikely that these contracts were agreed at a lower salary than these players are on currently. This extra spend will have to come from the budget that the manager has available to him.

[Campsall rover]

Look at SOD’s team. How may of them had 2nd tier experience when we went up in 2007/08
Neil Sullivan, Gareth Roberts ( a little with Tranmere) and John Oster and for a very short period we had Gareth Taylor.

We were one striker that first season away from being a top 7/8 team imo. Good managers make good players. SOD was one and DM will be the same. If we keep him and get that continuity we will be back up there with the big boys, but as a stronger club throughout.[

Point of fact (cos, like, I always have to get this point across at least once a year).

In 2008/09, we had a striker who was on the bench for 21 of the first 23 games, but who then was the second highest scorer in the Championship over the second half of the season.

Yes it does make you wonder where we would have finished BST if SOD hadn’t ostracised Heffernan.
Don’t think he had forgiven him for getting sent off at Southend in that play off semi final.
Could be very stubborn when the mood suited.

[dickos1]

A modest point of order.

There is a set budget each year for the manager to spend. We have just agreed contract extensions with Ben Whiteman and Tom Anderson, which almost every single supporter welcomed. It is very highly unlikely that these contracts were agreed at a lower salary than these players are on currently. This extra spend will have to come from the budget that the manager has available to him.

This is true of course, although we did offer marquis a substantial contract in the summer which he obviously didn’t agree to.

I’m not doubting we have money available as I’ve been told we do, but it’s frustrating that we seem reluctant to spend it when everyone is saying it’s there to spend. And at the same time we have the weak squad we do

[Jonathan]

dickos why can’t yo let it go.

There were many suggesting we sign Clarke-Harris. How much do you think he would cost us.
Also bring in Leon Clark on loan. What would his wages be. Think you were one of those were you not?

Both are just 2 examples of people wanting us to spend huge and unrealistic sums of money.
But don’t let me stop you having the last say.

Over and out on this one. Another argument brewing. Not going there OK.

Campsall, I’m pretty sure Leon Clarke was a genuine target at some point in the summer, so you may wish to take your aggravation at so called unrealistic expectations up with the club where that one is concerned!

[Campsall rover]

dickos why can’t yo let it go.

There were many suggesting we sign Clarke-Harris. How much do you think he would cost us.
Also bring in Leon Clark on loan. What would his wages be. Think you were one of those were you not?

Both are just 2 examples of people wanting us to spend huge and unrealistic sums of money.
But don’t let me stop you having the last say.

Over and out on this one. Another argument brewing. Not going there OK.

Campsall, I’m pretty sure Leon Clarke was a genuine target at some point in the summer, so you may wish to take your aggravation at so called unrealistic expectations up with the club where that one is concerned!

You know that for a fact Jonathan?
He may well have been a target but DM obviously didn’t want to blow some of the budget on what would have been a short term signing.
So yes it looks as though he turned out to be an unrealistic target.
He is well past his best imo & is over 30 yrs of age and we need to look further ahead.

Obviously DM did not want to take that gamble with the clubs money and preferred to take a good look at the squad this season and bring in loan strikers Ennis & Sterling from Wolves.
Sounds very sensible to me. ( we didn’t know they would both get injuries and that was just unfortunate )

The summer coming will be the big recruitment window.

[silent majority]

I do think that most DRFC supporters are now seeing how meticulous DM is.

He knows his own mind, and he's prepared to play the long game when it comes to recruitment. He will only sign who he wants, and no pleading by any of us will change that.

[Campsall rover]

I do think that most DRFC supporters are now seeing how meticulous DM is.

He knows his own mind, and he's prepared to play the long game when it comes to recruitment. He will only sign who he wants, and no pleading by any of us will change that.

Agreed SM. He is going to stand or fall on his recruitment and he ain’t rushing because he is not being put under pressure to get instant success. He has a board which is going to allow him to build over a few windows.
He is very meticulous as you say and astute. 
He will be a manager we will look back on in years to come with great affection imo.

[silent majority]

Why do poster have say go and watch another team to emphasise their point of view. We are all Doncaster Rovers supporters but we are not all Lemmings who follow blindly. There different point of views which have to be accepted.

Lemmings? Seriously Steve is that what you see in us?

I would suggest that what we are is people with a sense of perspective. We can see the issues that you bleat about but we're more considered in our responses and accept that the world isn't perfect.

This club is in a good place, better than it's ever been. You should reflect on that sometimes.

[dickos1]

dickos why can’t yo let it go.

There were many suggesting we sign Clarke-Harris. How much do you think he would cost us.
Also bring in Leon Clark on loan. What would his wages be. Think you were one of those were you not?

Both are just 2 examples of people wanting us to spend huge and unrealistic sums of money.
But don’t let me stop you having the last say.

Over and out on this one. Another argument brewing. Not going there OK.

Campsall, I’m pretty sure Leon Clarke was a genuine target at some point in the summer, so you may wish to take your aggravation at so called unrealistic expectations up with the club where that one is concerned!

You know that for a fact Jonathan?
He may well have been a target but DM obviously didn’t want to blow some of the budget on what would have been a short term signing.
So yes it looks as though he turned out to be an unrealistic target.
He is well past his best imo & is over 30 yrs of age and we need to look further ahead.

Obviously DM did not want to take that gamble with the clubs money and preferred to take a good look at the squad this season and bring in loan strikers Ennis & Sterling from Wolves.
Sounds very sensible to me. ( we didn’t know they would both get injuries and that was just unfortunate )

The summer coming will be the big recruitment window.

I’m not sure signing someone like clarke is any more short term than signing players on loan for a few months

Is it?

[Campsall rover]

dickos why can’t yo let it go.

There were many suggesting we sign Clarke-Harris. How much do you think he would cost us.
Also bring in Leon Clark on loan. What would his wages be. Think you were one of those were you not?

Both are just 2 examples of people wanting us to spend huge and unrealistic sums of money.
But don’t let me stop you having the last say.

Over and out on this one. Another argument brewing. Not going there OK.

Campsall, I’m pretty sure Leon Clarke was a genuine target at some point in the summer, so you may wish to take your aggravation at so called unrealistic expectations up with the club where that one is concerned!

You know that for a fact Jonathan?
He may well have been a target but DM obviously didn’t want to blow some of the budget on what would have been a short term signing.
So yes it looks as though he turned out to be an unrealistic target.
He is well past his best imo & is over 30 yrs of age and we need to look further ahead.

Obviously DM did not want to take that gamble with the clubs money and preferred to take a good look at the squad this season and bring in loan strikers Ennis & Sterling from Wolves.
Sounds very sensible to me. ( we didn’t know they would both get injuries and that was just unfortunate )

The summer coming will be the big recruitment window.

I’m not sure signing someone like clarke is any more short term than signing players on loan for a few months

Is it?

Yes it is imo. Depending what the wages are of course.
How much do you think we are paying Ennis. Well I can take a pretty accurate guess it would probably be about 30/35% of what we would have had to pay for Clarke.
I don’t know of course and am making assumptions as i have no facts.
It was obvious DM didn’t think it was worth the gamble & thats assuming he inquired in the first place and that’s all speculation as well.

So i prefer in dealing with facts and the fact is DM went down the route he did for a very good reason.

[dickos1]

I don’t think that’s obvious at all, I was more under the impression clarke didn’t want to come not Moore didn’t want him.

[drfchound]

Didn’t Wilder indicate that he wasn’t happy that Clark decided to stay on his big contract and not play, rather than move elsewhere.
Considering that then yes, it probably was Clark’s decision not to come to us.

[IDM]

There’s a piece in the DFP website just gone up saying the club is working hard on new signings..

[BillyStubbsTears]

Didn’t Wilder indicate that he wasn’t happy that Clark decided to stay on his big contract and not play, rather than move elsewhere.
Considering that then yes, it probably was Clark’s decision not to come to us.

Wilder was scathing back in September. I heard him on Radio Sheffield. He said something about there being players who know they are not part of his plans and who are prepared to sit things out and draw a wage. He wasn't a happy bunny about it.

[Campsall rover]

Didn’t Wilder indicate that he wasn’t happy that Clark decided to stay on his big contract and not play, rather than move elsewhere.
Considering that then yes, it probably was Clark’s decision not to come to us.

Wilder was scathing back in September. I heard him on Radio Sheffield. He said something about there being players who know they are not part of his plans and who are prepared to sit things out and draw a wage. He wasn't a happy bunny about it.

Heard that interview. He wasn’t happy and was a definite dig at Clarke.

[Jonathan]

Didn’t Wilder indicate that he wasn’t happy that Clark decided to stay on his big contract and not play, rather than move elsewhere.
Considering that then yes, it probably was Clark’s decision not to come to us.

Wilder was scathing back in September. I heard him on Radio Sheffield. He said something about there being players who know they are not part of his plans and who are prepared to sit things out and draw a wage. He wasn't a happy bunny about it.

Heard that interview. He wasn’t happy and was a definite dig at Clarke.

You know that for a fact, Campsall? 😉

[Campsall rover]

Didn’t Wilder indicate that he wasn’t happy that Clark decided to stay on his big contract and not play, rather than move elsewhere.
Considering that then yes, it probably was Clark’s decision not to come to us.

Wilder was scathing back in September. I heard him on Radio Sheffield. He said something about there being players who know they are not part of his plans and who are prepared to sit things out and draw a wage. He wasn't a happy bunny about it.

Heard that interview. He wasn’t happy and was a definite dig at Clarke.

You know that for a fact, Campsall? 😉

No i don’t but it was fairly obvious who he was referring to.