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DonnyBazR0ver

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Re: League One January transfers thread
« Reply #60 on January 10, 2020, 04:27:14 pm by DonnyBazR0ver »
Bloody hell S_M stop messing with their heads!



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« Reply #61 on January 10, 2020, 04:28:31 pm by Campsall rover »
Maybe those players aren’t the ones DM wants..?

We’ve definitely missed out on some players that he wanted.
As we did in the summer.

It seems to be he has one target and if that doesn’t come off then he doesn’t have anything else so starts again, whereas usually a club will identify a number of players for that position and if they don’t get their first they move done the list.

This is how it seems to me, before people get their knickers in a twist

Steady on fella.

We haven't missed out on any targets in this window, not yet anyway.

And of course there's more than one lined up, but to suggest you jump from one to the other in the hope that one of them signs on the spot today is hardly sending out the right message. And if you think DM is going to sign someone just to appease you or any other supporter then you're so wrong.
I will let you do my talking for me SM.
Saves energy and the agro.  ;)

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Re: League One January transfers thread
« Reply #62 on January 10, 2020, 04:29:18 pm by Filo »
Well in 5 days we will be halfway through the transfer window, so much for getting our business done early, we seem to be heading the same way as the last transfer window, which was a disaster, although the snake leaving did n’t help, but that distraction is not there now. Like others have said we are a couple of injuries away from a crisis, and all around us clubs are securing their targets!

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Re: League One January transfers thread
« Reply #63 on January 10, 2020, 04:30:30 pm by silent majority »
Bloody hell S_M stop messing with their heads!

Sorry pal!!  ;)

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« Reply #64 on January 10, 2020, 04:32:51 pm by silent majority »
Well in 5 days we will be halfway through the transfer window, so much for getting our business done early, we seem to be heading the same way as the last transfer window, which was a disaster, although the snake leaving did n’t help, but that distraction is not there now. Like others have said we are a couple of injuries away from a crisis, and all around us clubs are securing their targets!

I never had you down for one of those nervous nellies, filo. But crikey you have stepped up to the plate these last few weeks.


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« Reply #65 on January 10, 2020, 04:39:39 pm by Filo »
Well in 5 days we will be halfway through the transfer window, so much for getting our business done early, we seem to be heading the same way as the last transfer window, which was a disaster, although the snake leaving did n’t help, but that distraction is not there now. Like others have said we are a couple of injuries away from a crisis, and all around us clubs are securing their targets!

I never had you down for one of those nervous nellies, filo. But crikey you have stepped up to the plate these last few weeks.



Sometimes you know you have to look at things at face value and look at whats happening in front of your eyes, I appreciate you know more than most, but we went through the last window in a similar manner, people airing their concerns, you coming back with words of reassurance, but at the end of the day the last window was a disaster, we are going through the same motions again this time around. A question for you Martin, putting aside whatever you may know in the background are you happy with the squad we have today?

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« Reply #66 on January 10, 2020, 05:06:49 pm by dickos1 »
Maybe those players aren’t the ones DM wants..?

We’ve definitely missed out on some players that he wanted.
As we did in the summer.

It seems to be he has one target and if that doesn’t come off then he doesn’t have anything else so starts again, whereas usually a club will identify a number of players for that position and if they don’t get their first they move done the list.

This is how it seems to me, before people get their knickers in a twist

Steady on fella.

We haven't missed out on any targets in this window, not yet anyway.

And of course there's more than one lined up, but to suggest you jump from one to the other in the hope that one of them signs on the spot today is hardly sending out the right message. And if you think DM is going to sign someone just to appease you or any other supporter then you're so wrong.



When the transfer window is closed it doesn’t stop you having deals all in place and ready to go on the first. Other clubs have done this.

And after the poor summer we had squad wise you would’ve thought that’s exactly what we would’ve done. Rather than being almost halfway through the month and still yet to strengthen

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« Reply #67 on January 10, 2020, 05:12:40 pm by Campsall rover »
Well in 5 days we will be halfway through the transfer window, so much for getting our business done early, we seem to be heading the same way as the last transfer window, which was a disaster, although the snake leaving did n’t help, but that distraction is not there now. Like others have said we are a couple of injuries away from a crisis, and all around us clubs are securing their targets!

I never had you down for one of those nervous nellies, filo. But crikey you have stepped up to the plate these last few weeks.



Sometimes you know you have to look at things at face value and look at whats happening in front of your eyes, I appreciate you know more than most, but we went through the last window in a similar manner, people airing their concerns, you coming back with words of reassurance, but at the end of the day the last window was a disaster, we are going through the same motions again this time around. A question for you Martin, putting aside whatever you may know in the background are you happy with the squad we have today?
No one is happy with the squad. We are desperately short on numbers. We need a strong bench of course we do and DM will know that better than any of us. He has said as much on the DRFC site today. “We were down to the bare bones.”
John & Blair will be welcome additions to the squad.

But he isn’t going to sign any permanents that he is not 100% sure will be a good fit.
I am absolutely sure he will bring in a couple more loanees.
Think he will have definite targets and am convinced he is waiting to see what Norwich are doing first before he brings in any other striker.
He will have back ups and as i said yesterday Hirst at Leicester is likely to be one of them.
Steve Beaglehole has actually said he is happy for a couple of his U21’s to come on loan to us.

I am sure DM is just biding time and as we have Ennis back fit again there is no immediate panic. Unlike some of the forum members who seem to be in melt down.
« Last Edit: January 11, 2020, 01:17:18 pm by Campsall rover »

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« Reply #68 on January 10, 2020, 05:13:51 pm by IDM »
Maybe those players aren’t the ones DM wants..?

We’ve definitely missed out on some players that he wanted.
As we did in the summer.

It seems to be he has one target and if that doesn’t come off then he doesn’t have anything else so starts again, whereas usually a club will identify a number of players for that position and if they don’t get their first they move done the list.

This is how it seems to me, before people get their knickers in a twist

Steady on fella.

We haven't missed out on any targets in this window, not yet anyway.

And of course there's more than one lined up, but to suggest you jump from one to the other in the hope that one of them signs on the spot today is hardly sending out the right message. And if you think DM is going to sign someone just to appease you or any other supporter then you're so wrong.



When the transfer window is closed it doesn’t stop you having deals all in place and ready to go on the first. Other clubs have done this.

And after the poor summer we had squad wise you would’ve thought that’s exactly what we would’ve done. Rather than being almost halfway through the month and still yet to strengthen

Who’s to say we hadn’t been doing that though.?  Do you think we only started talking to Norwich about Idah after the window opened.?


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« Reply #69 on January 10, 2020, 05:28:19 pm by silent majority »
Well in 5 days we will be halfway through the transfer window, so much for getting our business done early, we seem to be heading the same way as the last transfer window, which was a disaster, although the snake leaving did n’t help, but that distraction is not there now. Like others have said we are a couple of injuries away from a crisis, and all around us clubs are securing their targets!

I never had you down for one of those nervous nellies, filo. But crikey you have stepped up to the plate these last few weeks.



Sometimes you know you have to look at things at face value and look at whats happening in front of your eyes, I appreciate you know more than most, but we went through the last window in a similar manner, people airing their concerns, you coming back with words of reassurance, but at the end of the day the last window was a disaster, we are going through the same motions again this time around. A question for you Martin, putting aside whatever you may know in the background are you happy with the squad we have today?

Is it face value though?

Did you really think our summer was 'a disaster'? Halliday, Dieng, James, Sheaf, Ennis, John, Stirling, all quality players. It wasn't perfect but a disaster?

But to answer your question, no, I'm not happy with the squad, but I'm certainly not fretting and getting all worked up about something that we, as supporters, can't affect. Everybody suddenly has become a 'transfer specialist' on this forum, everybody seems to think it's just a matter of picking up the phone, dangling a cheque book and hey presto!

In the years I've been talking to our club I've learnt that these things are never that simple, it's a bit like an iceberg, we only see the top bit, but all the work and negotiation goes on under the water.

If you want to sign a couple of strikers and a few midfield players thrown in we could do that tomorrow, all done and dusted and off we go. Then its like shooting fish in a barrel. But if you are after certain individuals who you just know they're the real deal then you may face a few frustrations, and that's where we are.

I've said it before on this forum, we'd done some hard work in identifying the lad at Norwich, agreements had been made, and then fate moved against us slightly. If it hadn't would everybody be panicking like they are? Do you want to wait for him to see if we can resurrect that, or should we ditch him and go after somebody else?

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Re: League One January transfers thread
« Reply #70 on January 10, 2020, 05:33:00 pm by silent majority »
Maybe those players aren’t the ones DM wants..?

We’ve definitely missed out on some players that he wanted.
As we did in the summer.

It seems to be he has one target and if that doesn’t come off then he doesn’t have anything else so starts again, whereas usually a club will identify a number of players for that position and if they don’t get their first they move done the list.

This is how it seems to me, before people get their knickers in a twist

Steady on fella.

We haven't missed out on any targets in this window, not yet anyway.

And of course there's more than one lined up, but to suggest you jump from one to the other in the hope that one of them signs on the spot today is hardly sending out the right message. And if you think DM is going to sign someone just to appease you or any other supporter then you're so wrong.



When the transfer window is closed it doesn’t stop you having deals all in place and ready to go on the first. Other clubs have done this.

And after the poor summer we had squad wise you would’ve thought that’s exactly what we would’ve done. Rather than being almost halfway through the month and still yet to strengthen

Again you're moving your argument-al goalposts!

You stated that we'd definitely missed out on some targets. That's right isn't it? That's what you posted, Ive just corrected you on it.

And then you said he only has one target, and when that doesn't come off, he starts again. That's what you said didn't you? And again I've corrected you. But if we haven't missed out on anybody yet then why move to the next in line?




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« Reply #71 on January 10, 2020, 05:43:43 pm by dickos1 »
Maybe those players aren’t the ones DM wants..?

We’ve definitely missed out on some players that he wanted.
As we did in the summer.

It seems to be he has one target and if that doesn’t come off then he doesn’t have anything else so starts again, whereas usually a club will identify a number of players for that position and if they don’t get their first they move done the list.

This is how it seems to me, before people get their knickers in a twist

Steady on fella.

We haven't missed out on any targets in this window, not yet anyway.

And of course there's more than one lined up, but to suggest you jump from one to the other in the hope that one of them signs on the spot today is hardly sending out the right message. And if you think DM is going to sign someone just to appease you or any other supporter then you're so wrong.



When the transfer window is closed it doesn’t stop you having deals all in place and ready to go on the first. Other clubs have done this.

And after the poor summer we had squad wise you would’ve thought that’s exactly what we would’ve done. Rather than being almost halfway through the month and still yet to strengthen

Again you're moving your argument-al goalposts!

You stated that we'd definitely missed out on some targets. That's right isn't it? That's what you posted, Ive just corrected you on it.

And then you said he only has one target, and when that doesn't come off, he starts again. That's what you said didn't you? And again I've corrected you. But if we haven't missed out on anybody yet then why move to the next in line?





Where have you corrected me?
I know you’re in touch with the club Martin but I’m not sure you’d know of every player we’ve tried to sign.
If we hadn’t missed out on any players then I’m sure we would’ve had players signed by now.

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Re: League One January transfers thread
« Reply #72 on January 10, 2020, 05:55:32 pm by 5 on Tour »
Watching the Sunderland program on Netflix shows just how difficult it is. The CEO was pulling his hair out(metaphorically) at some of the agents/players pulling out last minute. I want Rovers to win every game until we are 15 times champions of Europe. However, my job doesn’t depend on us winning. DM’s job does and he sure as hell isn’t sat back hoping 5 players walk up to the door and say “hi sign me”.

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« Reply #73 on January 10, 2020, 06:02:55 pm by StocksArmy »
Are deals on hold due to the need of clubs finding replacements before letting their players leave?

Are clubs wanting more than their players are worth and neither clubs will budge on the fee?

Are agents getting in the way?

Are we getting to a certain stage and another club show interest in the same player and the player is listening to offers?

I understand it is a long drawn out process and had Norwich kept their strikers fit we would have one in by now but, this is the same for every club. You must appreciate that you SM are somewhat in the know and as a supporter of the football club it is there for all to see that the squad needs a boost therefore fans want to spend their time and money on a Saturday afternoon watching their team knowing that the owners are as ambitious as we are. No matter how much we are reassured that they are in the media or by yourself, we will still speculate and will continue to do so until it is proven. Yes we are happy with all contract extensions obviously and are also happy with the loan extensions but ultimately they are not our players and IF we do happen to get promoted this season and we dont sign them then we have some very good players to replace and the process starts again and it disrupts pre season preperation going into an extremely tough league.
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Re: League One January transfers thread
« Reply #74 on January 10, 2020, 06:06:53 pm by selby »
  Paul I am happy with the squad, it's not as complicated as it was a couple of weeks ago, with less chance of players who don't fit playing.
 a couple of  good additions,one or two more to probably move on, and I think we can do well.
  The youngsters if they have to come in are as good as the players that have left, although I think things are more likely to advance on the subject of signing players in the coming week.

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« Reply #75 on January 10, 2020, 06:13:45 pm by IDM »
Maybe those players aren’t the ones DM wants..?

We’ve definitely missed out on some players that he wanted.
As we did in the summer.

It seems to be he has one target and if that doesn’t come off then he doesn’t have anything else so starts again, whereas usually a club will identify a number of players for that position and if they don’t get their first they move done the list.

This is how it seems to me, before people get their knickers in a twist

Steady on fella.

We haven't missed out on any targets in this window, not yet anyway.

And of course there's more than one lined up, but to suggest you jump from one to the other in the hope that one of them signs on the spot today is hardly sending out the right message. And if you think DM is going to sign someone just to appease you or any other supporter then you're so wrong.



When the transfer window is closed it doesn’t stop you having deals all in place and ready to go on the first. Other clubs have done this.

And after the poor summer we had squad wise you would’ve thought that’s exactly what we would’ve done. Rather than being almost halfway through the month and still yet to strengthen

Again you're moving your argument-al goalposts!

You stated that we'd definitely missed out on some targets. That's right isn't it? That's what you posted, Ive just corrected you on it.

And then you said he only has one target, and when that doesn't come off, he starts again. That's what you said didn't you? And again I've corrected you. But if we haven't missed out on anybody yet then why move to the next in line?





Where have you corrected me?
I know you’re in touch with the club Martin but I’m not sure you’d know of every player we’ve tried to sign.
If we hadn’t missed out on any players then I’m sure we would’ve had players signed by now.

Perhaps the players we are trying to sign are still in process of discussions, or held back for some reason or another, not necessarily missed out..

I’ll ask you once, and once only, to name the players we definitely missed out on - players we were actively bidding for, not just players signed by other clubs where we were rumoured to be interested..

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« Reply #76 on January 10, 2020, 06:15:00 pm by steve@dcfd »
Bolton signed Toto Nsiala on loan from Ipswich

Blackpool signed Marc Bola from Middlesbrough was Blackpool’s player of the season last year LB before leaving.


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« Reply #77 on January 10, 2020, 08:28:29 pm by Reesielad »
What happened to the lad who come on trial from Palace, would of thought he would of at least been linked with us


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« Reply #78 on January 10, 2020, 09:39:21 pm by drfchound »
Are deals on hold due to the need of clubs finding replacements before letting their players leave?

Are clubs wanting more than their players are worth and neither clubs with budge on the fee?

Are agents getting in the way?

Are we getting to a certain stage and another club show interest in the same player and the player is listening to offers?

I understand it is a long drawn out process and had Norwich kept their strikers fit we would have one in by now but, this is the same for every club. You must appreciate that you SM are somewhat in the know and as a supporter of the football club it is there for all to see that the squad needs a boost therefore fans want to spend their time and money on a Saturday afternoon watching their team knowing that the owners are as ambitious as we are. No matter how much we are reassured that they are in the media or by yourself, we will still speculate and will continue to do so until it is proven. Yes we are happy with all contract extensions obviously and are also happy with the loan extensions but ultimately they are not our players and IF we do happen to get promoted this season and we dont sign them then we have some very good players to replace and the process starts again and it disrupts pre season preperation going into an extremely tough league.






Stocks......that is a very good post and probably sums up what most supporters are thinking.
I wouldn’t class myself or many of the other posters on here as panicking or being nervous nellies.
It isn’t unreasonable for supporters to be concerned at our lack of incoming players at a third of the way through the transfer window.

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« Reply #79 on January 10, 2020, 09:41:03 pm by drfchound »
  Alan, you and others seam to be getting all worked up about signing players over the last few days.
    Can I put it to you that signing anyone this week  was the wrong time to bring anyone in anyway, after Tuesdays win following the Oxford  victory any new recruit would have been difficult for any manager to put into a team, not only because of the success, but the time limitations on actually training with the first team Wednesday would have been a rest day  Thursday light training and team preparation for the Bristol game, Friday travel, probably light training near the hotel, Saturday a game day.
   What Lincoln or any other team does we have no control over, and getting our knickers in a twist will make no difference whatsoever to any time lines for new signings. The big question to me is, if we sign a striker of note, who steps aside to accommodate him if every one is fit, as I happen to think that the team that played Tuesday is one of the top teams in this division anyway.
   I am fully aware, and agree that the squad is thin in numbers, but would argue strong in ability, yes we need two or three players in, but  we need to get the players the manager wants, not for the sake of a short time line.








Can there ever be a bad time to bring a quality player into a squad?

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« Reply #80 on January 10, 2020, 11:20:14 pm by Alan Southstand »
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What happened to the lad who come on trial from Palace, would of thought he would of at least been linked with us

Kian Flanagan is the lad’s name and I thought he’d be the first one through the door. Tore Rotherham reserves a new one, in the only u23 game he ‘trialled’ in. Would be an excellent acquisition, in my view. But, again, nothing on the horizon, unless, of course, SM knows something.

I’m sure discussions were held with the lad, his agent and Palace at the time and it seemed like it was a move just waiting for the window to open.


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« Reply #81 on January 11, 2020, 11:28:46 am by drfchound »
If he is "on the radar" then we might have to crack on with getting him (assuming he is number two choice) because the news coming from Norwich seems to indicate that Idah is going nowhere immediately.

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« Reply #82 on January 11, 2020, 12:09:54 pm by Colemans Left Hook »
  Alan, you and others seam to be getting all worked up about signing players over the last few days.
    Can I put it to you that signing anyone this week  was the wrong time to bring anyone in anyway, after Tuesdays win following the Oxford  victory any new recruit would have been difficult for any manager to put into a team, not only because of the success, but the time limitations on actually training with the first team Wednesday would have been a rest day  Thursday light training and team preparation for the Bristol game, Friday travel, probably light training near the hotel, Saturday a game day.
   What Lincoln or any other team does we have no control over, and getting our knickers in a twist will make no difference whatsoever to any time lines for new signings. The big question to me is, if we sign a striker of note, who steps aside to accommodate him if every one is fit, as I happen to think that the team that played Tuesday is one of the top teams in this division anyway.
   I am fully aware, and agree that the squad is thin in numbers, but would argue strong in ability, yes we need two or three players in, but  we need to get the players the manager wants, not for the sake of a short time line.








Can there ever be a bad time to bring a quality player into a squad?

well that Doncaster born manager managed to do it

"Parma sold Asprilla to English Premier League side Newcastle United for £6.7 million in February 1996, with "Tino", as the fans nicknamed him, appearing at St James' Park to finalise the move during a snowstorm, dressed in a fur coat. At the time, Newcastle were ahead of Manchester United in the Premier League, although their lead at the top of the table was narrowing"

i'd just luv it ........................

could say Newcastle's title challenge was all "fur coat" and no knickers
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« Reply #83 on January 11, 2020, 12:53:15 pm by adamtherover »
  Paul I am happy with the squad....

Really?  You must be the only one..   we don't have a squad, just a first 11, then kids on the bench..   

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« Reply #84 on January 11, 2020, 12:58:06 pm by dickos1 »
Even Moore states the squad is not strong enough

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« Reply #86 on January 13, 2020, 11:48:38 am by Campsall rover »
https://www.doncasterfreepress.co.uk/sport/football/business-gets-done-its-probably-more-difficult-doncaster-rovers-boss-darren-moore-challenges-january-transfer-window-1362926

I like the line about accelerating the improvement he has already implemented.
Said in that interview what i have been saying for weeks.
But apparently according to some i don’t know what i am talking about.
DM said it is harder in January than it is in the summer to get deals done because clubs are reluctant to part with players. Getting the right players is the most important thing, players who are the right fit.

That is why he is not rushing to bring in anyone. They must be the right ones at the right price.


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« Reply #87 on January 15, 2020, 08:22:57 am by Avsuptem »
Look at it this way. If you were the owners of a league one club and determined to maintain financial rectitude therby ensuring..  sustainability would you want promotion?  The only way to sustain life in the Championship is by paying huge amounts in player wages that would not be covered by revenues meaning that the owners would have to provide massive funding. Logically it is better to maintain fan interest by hovering arround the league one play off places season after season if possible. Strengthening the squad now might well achieve promotion which  would likely mean one season as Championship whipping boys (unless someone is prepared to massively subsidise the budget)

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« Reply #88 on January 15, 2020, 11:43:37 am by DearneValleyRover »
Tyler Walker’s loan isn’t going to be extended at Lincoln, Forests decision not theirs, expect him to be linked to Sunderland

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« Reply #89 on January 15, 2020, 12:10:18 pm by wing commander »
    I have to admit i really am surprised at our inactivity this window.Lets face it in the main we have been luckier than most seasons when it comes to injury's to really key players which is why we are in the position we are.

We were weak squad wise before the window and since then May,Daniels,Thomas and Sterling have gone off the books.I think that DM and the board can be pleased our form is still good enough to keep us in the mix else the grief they are seeing on here at the minute would be trebled..

Whilst i take S-M's points,not many of those players are Doncaster Rovers players.The short term thinking around the amount of loan players we have makes no sense to me,and while we continue down this road we will have to rebuild a squad from scratch every year,working for other teams and losing our identity..

Personally i wont really get excited about anymore loans if we sign them in this window.I want to see permanent signings contracted to Doncaster Rovers.Players who we can work with,build a team around for the longer term benefit,get a affiliation with as fans and maybe earn a windfall or two along the way.And if that takes a bit of time to bear fruit so be it,although i appreciate fans want instant success..

At this rate when we have played our last game of the season.Rovers will need to put a bus to take most of our players back to their clubs,while tumbleweed blows around Cantley Park.

Now we have two weeks or so till the end of the window,so i've got everything crossed that one or two permanent players will join us,but no matter who they are, if the only thing we do is bring in another short term sticky plaster or two i will be really dissapointed and really start to question what it is we are really trying to achieve as a club.

I appreciate not everybody will agree with that but that's how i will see it..

 



 

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