Brexit - the gift that keeps on giving.

[Not Now Kato]

Oh no.  Now it's the start of the likely break up of the Union
 
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2020/feb/13/sinn-fein-breakup-uk-boris-johnson
 
Scotland next.
 
Still, Boris won't need to build that bridge now - there's a Brexit Bonus.

[SydneyRover]

johnson may not even notice, it'll one long bungabunga party in downing st

[SydneyRover]

This is the kick in the guts

"Honda has been very clear that the vast majority of its staff will still be employed making cars right up until July 2021.

Redundancy packages have been given to staff facing job losses.

There are an estimated 15,000 direct Honda employees and workers in the supply chain''

[Iberian Red]

Beetroot

Is that the new snowflake terminology?
Or a synonym for gammon?

[BillyStubbsTears]

The Govt is going to spin this like mad that it's not to do with Brexit.

But this is what Honda said in its statement to Govt when we were still debating what sort of Brexit we wanted.

https://mobile.twitter.com/EmporersNewC/status/1227935510515023872

Of course, the Leave merchants promised us a Brexit of Frictionless, Tariff-less Trade. Right the way up to last week, when they announced there WOULD be tariffs and administration at the border, and it was up to business to suck it up.

You were warned about this. Be grown up enough now to realise it is happening.

[selby]

  I have waited in vain for a couple of days, but it looks as if I will have to raise the topic.
   Just wondered what you guys thought to the fact that industrial output went down a whole 7.2% in Germany and 4.1% over the EU as a whole in December, doing well over there without us then, makes you wonder just how hard they will be able to dig their heals in if those figures carry on.

[Glyn_Wigley]

The Govt is going to spin this like mad that it's not to do with Brexit.

But this is what Honda said in its statement to Govt when we were still debating what sort of Brexit we wanted.

https://mobile.twitter.com/EmporersNewC/status/1227935510515023872

Of course, the Leave merchants promised us a Brexit of Frictionless, Tariff-less Trade. Right the way up to last week, when they announced there WOULD be tariffs and administration at the border, and it was up to business to suck it up.

You were warned about this. Be grown up enough now to realise it is happening.

Got to love this comment, it sums up the ignorance of the rabid Brexiteers.

"It's up to the eu to deliver the frictionless trade.. and that means a FTA not Brino"

An FTA will not deliver frictionless trade you pillock.

[Glyn_Wigley]

  I have waited in vain for a couple of days, but it looks as if I will have to raise the topic.
   Just wondered what you guys thought to the fact that industrial output went down a whole 7.2% in Germany and 4.1% over the EU as a whole in December, doing well over there without us then, makes you wonder just how hard they will be able to dig their heals in if those figures carry on.

They weren't without us in December though. We're in that 4.1% too you know.

[BillyStubbsTears]

  I have waited in vain for a couple of days, but it looks as if I will have to raise the topic.
   Just wondered what you guys thought to the fact that industrial output went down a whole 7.2% in Germany and 4.1% over the EU as a whole in December, doing well over there without us then, makes you wonder just how hard they will be able to dig their heals in if those figures carry on.

Selby.

Yes. It's bad. But as I keep on saying, and no Brexit supporter has ever once addressed, they had a boom for 2.5 years while we were already slumping. Now there's a strong possibility of a global recession on the horizon. Europe will be hurt. Do you think we will be spared?

Your philosophy seems to be that it's fine, us not winning, as long as the other side loses.

[selby]

  Seems as though you both knew the figures but chose for some obscure reason not to comment on them then.
  You will do well as party members no doubt.
 

[Glyn_Wigley]

  Seems as though you both knew the figures but chose for some obscure reason not to comment on them then.
  You will do well as party members no doubt.
 

What do you expect? You never give us a link to show what source you get your figures from.

[BillyStubbsTears]

Selby.

No. I focus on the big picture internationally, and the detail of what happens in THIS country. Do you expect folk to comment on every detailed economic sector indicator from every country in the world?

What you do and what you've done consistently is to ignore the massive big picture (we generally did a bit better than the rest of the EU for 40 years until 2016, we've done a hell of a lot worse since then) and instead scrat about looking for detailed factoids indicating that we are booming and they are collapsing.

So you ignore the demonstrable fact that we've lost something approaching  £150-200bn of economic activity relative to the EU since the 2016 vote. And instead you chuck in incorrect "facts" about our economy booming, or specific detailed comments about the precise current problems  of sectors of the EU economy.

[scawsby steve]

Beetroot

Is that the new snowflake terminology?
Or a synonym for gammon?

Gammon? Do you mean those that win referendums and elections?

Have a nice day. Te envio un amapuche fuerte, amigo.

[selby]

  Looks like the good old members are not so keen on giving when it is their own money they have to shell out.

[wilts rover]

  Looks like the good old members are not so keen on giving when it is their own money they have to shell out.

Sorry Selby what are you referring to here?

Boris giving no financial assistance to flood victims in Wales/Shropshire - £500 to people in Yorkshire/Derbyshire - who have lost £10's thousands worth of possessions and face months out of their homes through years of inadequate government planning, whilst proposing a bridge across and arms dump?

[selby]

  Wilts, you know very well what I am referring to, and the fall out between the remaining countries over their  budget contributions, Eire don't seem very happy about their new found friends, nor Germany with Macron, while the frugal four are just saying B******s

[SydneyRover]

As bst has stated you appear to be making much of any possible turmoil within the EU surrounding the UK's departure but maybe you would do better to tell us how your supposed heros are going to manage the all important trade deal with the EU and the relationship that rides along with it, you could of course give them the benefit of some good advice as it now appears that CumJo now want a deal with the EU that they could possibly have had years ago.

Unfortunately the more the deal gets closer to 'free trade' the more red lines are going to get painted over.

And of course CumJo have painted themselves into another corner by stating an impossible deadline.

What are your predictions, who do you think will score first? will it be the same team? do you think the UK will 'win' or will the negotiators return with tail between legs.

[Herbert Anchovy]

As bst has stated you appear to be making much of any possible turmoil within the EU surrounding the UK's departure but maybe you would do better to tell us how your supposed heros are going to manage the all important trade deal with the EU and the relationship that rides along with it, you could of course give them the benefit of some good advice as it now appears that CumJo now want a deal with the EU that they could possibly have had years ago.

Unfortunately the more the deal gets closer to 'free trade' the more red lines are going to get painted over.

And of course CumJo have painted themselves into another corner by stating an impossible deadline.

What are your predictions, who do you think will score first? will it be the same team? do you think the UK will 'win' or will the negotiators return with tail between legs.

Sydney

It is impossible to predict how the trade deal will pan out as both sides are yet to finalise the final text outlining their opening negotiation position. Previously the EU were encouraging a ‘Canada Style’ FTD. Now, they are saying this can only be achieved if the UK adheres to an expanding range of EU rules and regulations. The UK isnt asking for a bespoke deal. They are clear in asking for a deal that is similar to EU deals with Canada, Japan and Korea. In 2017 this was also the EU preferred arrangement and yet now they are adding on an increasing number of caveats for the UK to follow. Why are they doing this? Simply because having a nation so geographically close to the EU that is free to trade on WTO rules and without EU constraint worries them greatly. Understandably. Of course, this is mostly a phoney war as a deal is in the interests of both parties, however the UK position seems to be more emphasis on self regulation and sovereignty than it does on economics.


When I was in Germany recently Brexit cropped up in many discussions I had with people. The overriding things that cropped up again and again were:
general sadness that we are leaving. The Germans consider us their only real equal partner in the EU.
A distinct lack of trust with the French. A common comment was that they should be leaving at not the UK!
Huge concern about the attitudes of the Eastern and Southern European countries towards the EU.
A kind of resignation that much of the shortfall in financial contribution will fall on Germany’s shoulders

[Not Now Kato]

[SydneyRover]

There's also a passport with a reptile skin finish in honour of murdoch's hand in Britain's future, apparently 

[selby]

  I bet you lot were a barrel of fun when you were left out of it as kids, I'm going to Squeem and Squeem and Squeem iuntil I get my own way, pathetic.

[SydneyRover]

Nothing's changed then selby? 

[foxbat]

Barrow - for the 1st time in over 30 years - voted for Boris Johnson & the Conservatives
in order to get Brexit done at the last election.

Last week McBride closes its factory there in order to transfer production to the EU ,
in order to survive Brexit.

https://in-cumbria.com/news/18250693.

[idler]

It won't open for me, saying that it might have been moved.

[Herbert Anchovy]

Barrow - for the 1st time in over 30 years - voted for Boris Johnson & the Conservatives
in order to get Brexit done at the last election.

Last week McBride closes its factory there in order to transfer production to the EU ,
in order to survive Brexit.

https://in-cumbria.com/news/18250693.

The article states “ while in-Cumbria understands Brexit wasn’t directly part of the reasoning behind the decision, the reallocation of work to France and Luxembourg will raise eyebrows.”

So, nowhere in the article does it mention that the closure is explicitly down to Brexit as you clearly suggest.

[BillyStubbsTears]

Just been listening on the radio news to a piece about the trade negotiations with the EU.

It suddenly hit me.

Back in 2016, folk on the Leave side said that there was no intention to leave the Single Market. Saying otherwise was Project Fear.

Then after the Referendum, it was all about getting frictionless access to the SM. There were a few nutters on the far right obsessing about a clean break and a Canada- type Free Trade Agreement. But they were ignored. The Treasury itself ran economic models which said that a Canada FTA would result in our GDP dropping by 5% compared to staying in the EU. That's £100bn per year. Enough to build an HS2 EVERY YEAR. No country is going to be so f**king stupid as to choose to do that to itself.

That was the line right up to the Election in December.

Then it suddenly flipped. Now a Canada FTA is explicit Govt policy. And the EU is saying that we can only have that with certain conditions. Conditions which the Govt says are not acceptable.

So we've gone from a Canada-TYPE FTA not being remotely discussed because it was so stupid, to a Canada-style FTA being the best we can possibly hope for.

This is absolute insanity. We, the population, are sleepwalking into an utter f**king catastrophe. And no-one cares anymore.

[BillyStubbsTears]

Meanwhile, back on the subject that Brexit was always really about, here's how our Govt is dealing with the brightest and best immigrants.

https://amp.theguardian.com/education/2020/feb/25/academics-refused-permanent-uk-visas-because-of-field-trips-abroad?__twitter_impression=true

[SydneyRover]

When I read it my thoughts were, haven't they got something important to be getting on with, are they just doing it to flex their authority it's difficult to understand their justification behind this sort of bas**rdry that f*cks up peoples lives.

[selby]

  Thank god the EU have published their requirements for the Trade Negotiations, for a while I was thinking there would be nothing to argue about on here for twelve months.
  Let's hope we threaten to walk away on WTO that will get people uptight, and really going on here, even from as far away as Australia.

[SydneyRover]

As you're arguments are reliably fact free I wouldn't have thought it would bother you selby