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Quote from: jackthelad on January 11, 2020, 12:57:01 pmI cannot get my head around some of our fans and forum users. Top goal scorer, most assists, relatively young... he’s one of the better players in the division.The people slating him now and saying he’s average are probably the same ones who said we wouldn’t miss Marquis.Yes, quite.It’s very clear that you are unable to comprehend that people might hold a contrary view. It seems you are perfectly able to make huge judgements without any evidence though.
I cannot get my head around some of our fans and forum users. Top goal scorer, most assists, relatively young... he’s one of the better players in the division.The people slating him now and saying he’s average are probably the same ones who said we wouldn’t miss Marquis.
Re: ending attacks, I just don’t see that. In fact quite the opposite. And I don’t just mean subjectively, but if you look at the stats the evidence is clear. More goals than any other player, more assists (alongside Coppinger) than any other player. And just taking the other night’s game as an example, I think pretty much every chance we created came through him. All attacking players will lose the ball on occasion by taking risks (it happened to Coppinger multiple times the other night) but if we’re talking efficiency and productivity in the final third the we’ve nobody else even close to Sadlier. So I just don’t get the argument of attacks breaking down with him at all. Hypothetically speaking, if today we were linked with an attacking player that’s 25 years old and topping the goalscoring and assists chart for his club in this division then everyone would be getting hugely excited on here! Let’s focus on keeping hold of our own so we don’t have to shell out the kind of fee it would cost to replace that contribution.
Quote from: BradwellRover on January 11, 2020, 02:44:10 pmQuote from: jackthelad on January 11, 2020, 12:57:01 pmI cannot get my head around some of our fans and forum users. Top goal scorer, most assists, relatively young... he’s one of the better players in the division.The people slating him now and saying he’s average are probably the same ones who said we wouldn’t miss Marquis.Yes, quite.It’s very clear that you are unable to comprehend that people might hold a contrary view. It seems you are perfectly able to make huge judgements without any evidence though.You've just had the evidence from BST.
Quote from: Jonathan on January 11, 2020, 10:56:14 amRe: ending attacks, I just don’t see that. In fact quite the opposite. And I don’t just mean subjectively, but if you look at the stats the evidence is clear. More goals than any other player, more assists (alongside Coppinger) than any other player. And just taking the other night’s game as an example, I think pretty much every chance we created came through him. All attacking players will lose the ball on occasion by taking risks (it happened to Coppinger multiple times the other night) but if we’re talking efficiency and productivity in the final third the we’ve nobody else even close to Sadlier. So I just don’t get the argument of attacks breaking down with him at all. Hypothetically speaking, if today we were linked with an attacking player that’s 25 years old and topping the goalscoring and assists chart for his club in this division then everyone would be getting hugely excited on here! Let’s focus on keeping hold of our own so we don’t have to shell out the kind of fee it would cost to replace that contribution.Those stats aren’t necessarily reflective of how efficient he is or how many attacks end with him. It simply means he takes some of them.
Headline output stats are not indicative of efficiency, the two are very different. My point is all about the former.
Quote from: BradwellRover on January 11, 2020, 05:17:12 pmHeadline output stats are not indicative of efficiency, the two are very different. My point is all about the former. I don’t really want to get dragged into semantics here, but after you said you think he doesn’t put enough work in (I completely disagree on that by the way) but then admitted he’s been our most productive player (which he has) then surely by its very definition that makes him particularly efficient! Anyhow the argument is pointless. For me he’s one of the best players at the club, and if we can get him tied down on a new contract then we have the nucleus of a very good team that we’re building. New contracts for our defensive rock, captain and top scorer would represent a positive statement of intent from the club in anyone’s book, surely.
Quote from: Jonathan on January 11, 2020, 05:24:49 pmQuote from: BradwellRover on January 11, 2020, 05:17:12 pmHeadline output stats are not indicative of efficiency, the two are very different. My point is all about the former. I don’t really want to get dragged into semantics here, but after you said you think he doesn’t put enough work in (I completely disagree on that by the way) but then admitted he’s been our most productive player (which he has) then surely by its very definition that makes him particularly efficient! Anyhow the argument is pointless. For me he’s one of the best players at the club, and if we can get him tied down on a new contract then we have the nucleus of a very good team that we’re building. New contracts for our defensive rock, captain and top scorer would represent a positive statement of intent from the club in anyone’s book, surely.I don’t want to get dragged in to semantics either, but you are conflating two separate points. I believe that he ducks tackles and doesn’t work hard enough, and that he’s inefficient/not productive enough. I do not disagree that his headline stats are good.To clarify my point, if you have a salesman that you give 100 leads to and he converts 9, is that more productive/efficient than a salesman who converts 8 of 10 leads that you give to him?
I feel that he can really develop and have a good future in the game. My only nagging doubt is his self-belief and does he want it enough.He gives 100% there's potentially a good player in there.
Quote from: idler on January 11, 2020, 08:24:09 pmI feel that he can really develop and have a good future in the game. My only nagging doubt is his self-belief and does he want it enough.He gives 100% there's potentially a good player in there.I agree idler, he could become very good indeed.There is “something” missing though.
Quote from: drfchound on January 11, 2020, 08:45:25 pmQuote from: idler on January 11, 2020, 08:24:09 pmI feel that he can really develop and have a good future in the game. My only nagging doubt is his self-belief and does he want it enough.He gives 100% there's potentially a good player in there.I agree idler, he could become very good indeed.There is “something” missing though.According to you that is of course lol!
Quote from: NewDonny on January 11, 2020, 09:30:50 pmQuote from: drfchound on January 11, 2020, 08:45:25 pmQuote from: idler on January 11, 2020, 08:24:09 pmI feel that he can really develop and have a good future in the game. My only nagging doubt is his self-belief and does he want it enough.He gives 100% there's potentially a good player in there.I agree idler, he could become very good indeed.There is “something” missing though.According to you that is of course lol!New Donny, you really do need to chill out whenever someone says something you don’t like about your man.We are quick to praise him for the good games and good things.Like all players, he doesn’t have a blinder every week.You say “according to you” in response to my point but according to you he does NO wrong at all and that can’t be right.
Quote from: drfchound on January 11, 2020, 09:34:07 pmQuote from: NewDonny on January 11, 2020, 09:30:50 pmQuote from: drfchound on January 11, 2020, 08:45:25 pmQuote from: idler on January 11, 2020, 08:24:09 pmI feel that he can really develop and have a good future in the game. My only nagging doubt is his self-belief and does he want it enough.He gives 100% there's potentially a good player in there.I agree idler, he could become very good indeed.There is “something” missing though.According to you that is of course lol!New Donny, you really do need to chill out whenever someone says something you don’t like about your man.We are quick to praise him for the good games and good things.Like all players, he doesn’t have a blinder every week.You say “according to you” in response to my point but according to you he does NO wrong at all and that can’t be right.I'm actually winding you up hound, just the same as you chipped away at me these last couple of weeks, I don't mind that, relax lol
Quote from: NewDonny on January 11, 2020, 09:52:47 pmQuote from: drfchound on January 11, 2020, 09:34:07 pmQuote from: NewDonny on January 11, 2020, 09:30:50 pmQuote from: drfchound on January 11, 2020, 08:45:25 pmQuote from: idler on January 11, 2020, 08:24:09 pmI feel that he can really develop and have a good future in the game. My only nagging doubt is his self-belief and does he want it enough.He gives 100% there's potentially a good player in there.I agree idler, he could become very good indeed.There is “something” missing though.According to you that is of course lol!New Donny, you really do need to chill out whenever someone says something you don’t like about your man.We are quick to praise him for the good games and good things.Like all players, he doesn’t have a blinder every week.You say “according to you” in response to my point but according to you he does NO wrong at all and that can’t be right.I'm actually winding you up hound, just the same as you chipped away at me these last couple of weeks, I don't mind that, relax lolOk fair enough.I have actually supported quite a few of your posts over the last few weeks, either with likes or posts.👍🤭
He needs to give some serious thoughts to the possibility of sitting on the bench an awful lot, if he’s contemplating a Championship Club. Even JM has spent more time on Pompey’s bench than on the field and look what he achieved with us.The grass, as they say, is not always greener!If our upwardly mobile form continues, he could be going up with his teammates, anyway.