Cost of Brexit

[BillyStubbsTears]

£130bn already lost in economic output due to the depressed performance if our economy before we even leave.

https://www.bloomberg.com/amp/news/articles/2020-01-10/-170-billion-and-counting-the-cost-of-brexit-for-the-u-k?__twitter_impression=true


You lot who wanted Brexit. This is yours. Embrace it. Own it. Don't blame anyone else.

One hundred and thirty billion f**king quid. Every man,woman and child in the country £2000 and counting poorer.

Still. We took back control.

[DonnyOsmond]

£130bn already lost in economic output due to the depressed performance if our economy before we even leave.

https://www.bloomberg.com/amp/news/articles/2020-01-10/-170-billion-and-counting-the-cost-of-brexit-for-the-u-k?__twitter_impression=true


You lot who wanted Brexit. This is yours. Embrace it. Own it. Don't blame anyone else.

One hundred and thirty billion f**king quid. Every man,woman and child in the country £2000 and counting poorer.

Still. We took back control.

No more unelected bureaucrats (apart from Boris's mates).

[tyke1962]

£130bn already lost in economic output due to the depressed performance if our economy before we even leave.

https://www.bloomberg.com/amp/news/articles/2020-01-10/-170-billion-and-counting-the-cost-of-brexit-for-the-u-k?__twitter_impression=true


You lot who wanted Brexit. This is yours. Embrace it. Own it. Don't blame anyone else.

One hundred and thirty billion f**king quid. Every man,woman and child in the country £2000 and counting poorer.

Still. We took back control.

Billy with all due respect when are you remainers going to give it up .

We had a vote , leave won .

It's four years ago this summer and yet ..........

Time to move on and shape the country outside of the EU no matter which way you voted in the GE .

[DonnyOsmond]

£130bn already lost in economic output due to the depressed performance if our economy before we even leave.

https://www.bloomberg.com/amp/news/articles/2020-01-10/-170-billion-and-counting-the-cost-of-brexit-for-the-u-k?__twitter_impression=true


You lot who wanted Brexit. This is yours. Embrace it. Own it. Don't blame anyone else.

One hundred and thirty billion f**king quid. Every man,woman and child in the country £2000 and counting poorer.

Still. We took back control.

Billy with all due respect when are you remainers going to give it up .

We had a vote , leave won .

It's four years ago this summer and yet ..........

Time to move on and shape the country outside of the EU no matter which way you voted in the GE .

So Remainers aren't allowed to mention about us wasting billions of pounds for no gain?

[tyke1962]

£130bn already lost in economic output due to the depressed performance if our economy before we even leave.

https://www.bloomberg.com/amp/news/articles/2020-01-10/-170-billion-and-counting-the-cost-of-brexit-for-the-u-k?__twitter_impression=true


You lot who wanted Brexit. This is yours. Embrace it. Own it. Don't blame anyone else.

One hundred and thirty billion f**king quid. Every man,woman and child in the country £2000 and counting poorer.

Still. We took back control.

Billy with all due respect when are you remainers going to give it up .

We had a vote , leave won .

It's four years ago this summer and yet ..........

Time to move on and shape the country outside of the EU no matter which way you voted in the GE .

So Remainers aren't allowed to mention about us wasting billions of pounds for no gain?

OK so the next remainer tactic will no doubt be to pin everything that suits their mandate on leaving the EU whilst forgetting recession after recession including the financial crisis occurred whilst we were active members of the EU over the last 50 years .

As a trade agreement its fine as a federal european super state now that's something else .

The four freedoms are the biggest flaw imaginable to place goods and services in the same context as human beings , massively flawed .

The EU and the rise of European Right Wing Populism are massively linked .

Time the bloody Labour Party got their heads out of their @ss and understood that as the old left and Tony Benn did in the 70's .

[BillyStubbsTears]

Tyke

You're entirely misreading me.

I've accepted that we are leaving. I HAVE moved on. I lost that battle comprehensively. I'm not interested in discussing the detail of the reason why Leave won that argument. I've done so at length for three years and more and it's made no difference. I entirely accept that the future is a Leave future. That side won.

And you're lecturing the wrong person by telling me that we ned to shape the country. I don't know what YOU are doing at 11pm on this Friday night. Me, I'm doing what I've been doing these past three nights till 1am - working on a tender to try to secure a 6 figure contract from an overseas customer.

What I do reserve the right to do, regularly, is to point out to the people who arrogantly or ignorantly ignored the warning s of the effect that choosing to leave would have, that those warnings have come to pass. A society that ignores the consequences of its own actions is one that declines rapidly. I don't want Britain to decline. So I'll continue to point out these lessons if you don't mind. Or in fact, if you DO mind.

We may yet pull ourselves round, but f**k me, I wouldn't be starting from here. That Bloomberg report says that our economic underperformance relative to the rest of the G8 since 2016 will have cost us £200bn by the end of this year. So all we need is for another 2million people to be sat up until the wee small hours, winning us six figure contracts and all will be well. While the predominantly economically inactive people who gave us Brexit lecture us on moving on...

[tyke1962]

Tyke

You're entirely misreading me.

I've accepted that we are leaving. I HAVE moved on. I lost that battle comprehensively. I'm not interested in discussing the detail of the reason why Leave won that argument. I've done so at length for three years and more and it's made no difference. I entirely accept that the future is a Leave future. That side won.

And you're lecturing the wrong person by telling me that we ned to shape the country. I don't know what YOU are doing at 11pm on this Friday night. Me, I'm doing what I've been doing these past three nights till 1am - working on a tender to try to secure a 6 figure contract from an overseas customer.

What I do reserve the right to do, regularly, is to point out to the people who arrogantly or ignorantly ignored the warning s of the effect that choosing to leave would have, that those warnings have come to pass. A society that ignores the consequences of its own actions is one that declines rapidly. I don't want Britain to decline. So I'll continue to point out these lessons if you don't mind. Or in fact, if you DO mind.

We may yet pull ourselves round, but f**k me, I wouldn't be starting from here. That Bloomberg report says that our economic underperformance relative to the rest of the G8 since 2016 will have cost us £200bn by the end of this year. So all we need is for another 2million people to be sat up until the wee small hours, winning us six figure contracts and all will be well. While the predominantly economically inactive people who gave us Brexit lecture us on moving on...

Billy .

It's not personal but you have to factor in the amount of anti democratic shenanigans we've seen from Pro EU supporters over the last 3 and a half years .

If you've got caught in the flack then I apologise .

For what it's worth I never bought in to the anti EU utopia and I know we face a turbulent time .

My vote wasn't about me it was about my kids and our grandkids and I firmly believe history will be on our side and will deliver a better future for them .

I've always viewed the EU as a very influenced Neoliberal project which by definition I will always oppose .

This thing has cost the Labour Party 59 seats and anyone who stalls a democratic mandate or try's to overturn it will find myself making them accountable .

Yes it's a Tory mandate but it's supported by traditional Labour voters and Leave won .

What more can I say .

[BillyStubbsTears]

Tyke

I've just told you. I'm not interested in reasons. I disagree on every point you make but that's yesterday's battle.

You won. You don't need to win the argument again.

What I'm interested in now is consequences. And you lot who wanted this, being man enough to own them.

[big fat yorkshire pudding]

Clearly there is a correlation cannot be denied.  What I will say is that the way brexit was handled was actually the cause not brexit itself.

By that, I mean the uncertainty and battle in parliament with the lack of a deal etc.

Of course we wont know who is right for some time, will the prediction match reality this year and will it continue going forward, or will it narrow again?  We wont know If it is continual until that point.

[BigH]

I actually agree with Johnson on his desire to consign the 'B' word to history.

What we do know - as BST has pointed out - is that the UK economy has slipped significantly over the past 3 years. It's now about how that slippage is recovered.

Oh and there's also the 'minor' matter of recovering the years of economic slippage that preceded 2016 when our government seemed intent on committing economic hara-kiri with its lunatic austerity plan.

So, my eyes and ears are fixed very firmly on the economic plan that I expect our new glorious leader and his chums to unveil and deliver on very soon.

[BillyStubbsTears]

Clearly there is a correlation cannot be denied.  What I will say is that the way brexit was handled was actually the cause not brexit itself.

By that, I mean the uncertainty and battle in parliament with the lack of a deal etc.

Of course we wont know who is right for some time, will the prediction match reality this year and will it continue going forward, or will it narrow again?  We wont know If it is continual until that point.

BFYP.

Look at the graph in the Bloomberg report.

Then come back and tell me the economic slowdown has been because of the way Brexit has been handled.

The slowdown was baked in from late 2016, when there was no controversy about Brexit, just a grim acceptance on the Remain side that it was going to happen. There was a massive drop in the value of the Pound on the very night of the referendum. That was because the markets all factored in this grinding economic slowdown that would inevitably come from us, unilaterally making it significantly harder to trade with half a billion of the richest people of all time, right on our doorstep. The markets accurately predicted what has come to pass. That we had chosen to make ourselves poorer.

Or. Put it another way. How could things have been handled differently to give us a less bad economic outcome? You're making excuses. You're saying to the people who chose Brexit "Not your fault. You've been let down." If you're going to do that, give reasoning. Especially when people on the other side of the argument predicted this in advance.

[DonnyOsmond]

£130bn already lost in economic output due to the depressed performance if our economy before we even leave.

https://www.bloomberg.com/amp/news/articles/2020-01-10/-170-billion-and-counting-the-cost-of-brexit-for-the-u-k?__twitter_impression=true


You lot who wanted Brexit. This is yours. Embrace it. Own it. Don't blame anyone else.

One hundred and thirty billion f**king quid. Every man,woman and child in the country £2000 and counting poorer.

Still. We took back control.

Billy with all due respect when are you remainers going to give it up .

We had a vote , leave won .

It's four years ago this summer and yet ..........

Time to move on and shape the country outside of the EU no matter which way you voted in the GE .

So Remainers aren't allowed to mention about us wasting billions of pounds for no gain?

OK so the next remainer tactic will no doubt be to pin everything that suits their mandate on leaving the EU whilst forgetting recession after recession including the financial crisis occurred whilst we were active members of the EU over the last 50 years .

As a trade agreement its fine as a federal european super state now that's something else .

The four freedoms are the biggest flaw imaginable to place goods and services in the same context as human beings , massively flawed .

The EU and the rise of European Right Wing Populism are massively linked .

Time the bloody Labour Party got their heads out of their @ss and understood that as the old left and Tony Benn did in the 70's .

Are you talking about the world wide recession in 2008 which affected countries outside the EU and was caused by American banks. So surely cosying up with the US in that instance would possibly have left us even worse off?

[wilts rover]

Apparently that £130 billion is roughly equal to our total NET contributions since we have been members of the EEC/EU.

Like BigH I have the fullest confidence in our PM being able to replace 47 years of economic co-operation given his performance to date.

Of course we do still have several (hundred) spare fridges for him to hide in, purchased as part of the last round of leave 'planning' if it does go wrong. As for the rest of us...

https://fullfact.org/europe/our-eu-membership-fee-55-million/

[Sprotyrover]

Clearly there is a correlation cannot be denied.  What I will say is that the way brexit was handled was actually the cause not brexit itself.

By that, I mean the uncertainty and battle in parliament with the lack of a deal etc.

Of course we wont know who is right for some time, will the prediction match reality this year and will it continue going forward, or will it narrow again?  We wont know If it is continual until that point.

BFYP.

Look at the graph in the Bloomberg report.

Then come back and tell me the economic slowdown has been because of the way Brexit has been handled.

The slowdown was baked in from late 2016, when there was no controversy about Brexit, just a grim acceptance on the Remain side that it was going to happen. There was a massive drop in the value of the Pound on the very night of the referendum. That was because the markets all factored in this grinding economic slowdown that would inevitably come from us, unilaterally making it significantly harder to trade with half a billion of the richest people of all time, right on our doorstep. The markets accurately predicted what has come to pass. That we had chosen to make ourselves poorer.

Or. Put it another way. How could things have been handled differently to give us a less bad economic outcome? You're making excuses. You're saying to the people who chose Brexit "Not your fault. You've been let down." If you're going to do that, give reasoning. Especially when people on the other side of the argument predicted this in advance.

Oh no it's Billy Der Graph again, when you get up on a morning do you run into the Bathroom look in the Mirror and say "what sort of Hypocrite are we today Billy, Corbinite,anti Corbinite, Blairite,Trotskyite,  Marksist Leninist,wannabe Macro economic genius, what shall we be today Billy?"

[BillyStubbsTears]

Go and watch RT Sproty. You're boring.

[Glyn_Wigley]

£130bn already lost in economic output due to the depressed performance if our economy before we even leave.

https://www.bloomberg.com/amp/news/articles/2020-01-10/-170-billion-and-counting-the-cost-of-brexit-for-the-u-k?__twitter_impression=true


You lot who wanted Brexit. This is yours. Embrace it. Own it. Don't blame anyone else.

One hundred and thirty billion f**king quid. Every man,woman and child in the country £2000 and counting poorer.

Still. We took back control.

Billy with all due respect when are you remainers going to give it up .

We had a vote , leave won .

It's four years ago this summer and yet ..........

Time to move on and shape the country outside of the EU no matter which way you voted in the GE .

What, so because you 'won', the rest of us have to take our brains out and think like you? Piss off.

[Not Now Kato]

Tyke

You're entirely misreading me.

I've accepted that we are leaving. I HAVE moved on. I lost that battle comprehensively. I'm not interested in discussing the detail of the reason why Leave won that argument. I've done so at length for three years and more and it's made no difference. I entirely accept that the future is a Leave future. That side won.

And you're lecturing the wrong person by telling me that we ned to shape the country. I don't know what YOU are doing at 11pm on this Friday night. Me, I'm doing what I've been doing these past three nights till 1am - working on a tender to try to secure a 6 figure contract from an overseas customer.

What I do reserve the right to do, regularly, is to point out to the people who arrogantly or ignorantly ignored the warning s of the effect that choosing to leave would have, that those warnings have come to pass. A society that ignores the consequences of its own actions is one that declines rapidly. I don't want Britain to decline. So I'll continue to point out these lessons if you don't mind. Or in fact, if you DO mind.

We may yet pull ourselves round, but f**k me, I wouldn't be starting from here. That Bloomberg report says that our economic underperformance relative to the rest of the G8 since 2016 will have cost us £200bn by the end of this year. So all we need is for another 2million people to be sat up until the wee small hours, winning us six figure contracts and all will be well. While the predominantly economically inactive people who gave us Brexit lecture us on moving on...

Billy .

It's not personal but you have to factor in the amount of anti democratic shenanigans we've seen from Pro EU supporters over the last 3 and a half years .

If you've got caught in the flack then I apologise .

For what it's worth I never bought in to the anti EU utopia and I know we face a turbulent time .

My vote wasn't about me it was about my kids and our grandkids and I firmly believe history will be on our side and will deliver a better future for them .

I've always viewed the EU as a very influenced Neoliberal project which by definition I will always oppose .

This thing has cost the Labour Party 59 seats and anyone who stalls a democratic mandate or try's to overturn it will find myself making them accountable .

Yes it's a Tory mandate but it's supported by traditional Labour voters and Leave won .

What more can I say .

Tyke.  A number of my friends voted leave for the very same reason.  They've never been able to quantify how this will be possible with any reliable facts, only hopes and 'with a good wind'.  So, can you give me any facts that leaving the EU WILL mean your children, and especially your grandchildren, will have a better future?  Because I can't see any facts that would show that my grandchildren will!
 
We are where we are, we're leaving the EU.  I hope that you can justify your decision to your grandchildren,  I know I can justify mine, having been freely able to work anywhere within the EU.

[scawsby steve]

Same old, same old, same old.

[Glyn_Wigley]

Same old, same old, same old.

What, and your disdain isn't??

[Sprotyrover]

Tyke

You're entirely misreading me.

I've accepted that we are leaving. I HAVE moved on. I lost that battle comprehensively. I'm not interested in discussing the detail of the reason why Leave won that argument. I've done so at length for three years and more and it's made no difference. I entirely accept that the future is a Leave future. That side won.

And you're lecturing the wrong person by telling me that we ned to shape the country. I don't know what YOU are doing at 11pm on this Friday night. Me, I'm doing what I've been doing these past three nights till 1am - working on a tender to try to secure a 6 figure contract from an overseas customer.

What I do reserve the right to do, regularly, is to point out to the people who arrogantly or ignorantly ignored the warning s of the effect that choosing to leave would have, that those warnings have come to pass. A society that ignores the consequences of its own actions is one that declines rapidly. I don't want Britain to decline. So I'll continue to point out these lessons if you don't mind. Or in fact, if you DO mind.

We may yet pull ourselves round, but f**k me, I wouldn't be starting from here. That Bloomberg report says that our economic underperformance relative to the rest of the G8 since 2016 will have cost us £200bn by the end of this year. So all we need is for another 2million people to be sat up until the wee small hours, winning us six figure contracts and all will be well. While the predominantly economically inactive people who gave us Brexit lecture us on moving on...

Billy .

It's not personal but you have to factor in the amount of anti democratic shenanigans we've seen from Pro EU supporters over the last 3 and a half years .

If you've got caught in the flack then I apologise .

For what it's worth I never bought in to the anti EU utopia and I know we face a turbulent time .

My vote wasn't about me it was about my kids and our grandkids and I firmly believe history will be on our side and will deliver a better future for them .

I've always viewed the EU as a very influenced Neoliberal project which by definition I will always oppose .

This thing has cost the Labour Party 59 seats and anyone who stalls a democratic mandate or try's to overturn it will find myself making them accountable .

Yes it's a Tory mandate but it's supported by traditional Labour voters and Leave won .

What more can I say .

Tyke.  A number of my friends voted leave for the very same reason.  They've never been able to quantify how this will be possible with any reliable facts, only hopes and 'with a good wind'.  So, can you give me any facts that leaving the EU WILL mean your children, and especially your grandchildren, will have a better future?  Because I can't see any facts that would show that my grandchildren will!
 
We are where we are, we're leaving the EU.  I hope that you can justify your decision to your grandchildren,  I know I can justify mine, having been freely able to work anywhere within the EU.

Your Grand children will be very grateful, for a start they will be living in a prosperous country which will have a population that is a suitable size with services that can cope. They will be able to look at Europe and look at the mess those fat cat Burecrats have made of it.

[Not Now Kato]

Same old, same old, same old.

OK Steve, you tell me - how WILL my Grandchildren have a better future when we leave the EU?  No if's, no maybe's, no sound-bites - just cold hard provable FACTS.

[Not Now Kato]

Tyke

You're entirely misreading me.

I've accepted that we are leaving. I HAVE moved on. I lost that battle comprehensively. I'm not interested in discussing the detail of the reason why Leave won that argument. I've done so at length for three years and more and it's made no difference. I entirely accept that the future is a Leave future. That side won.

And you're lecturing the wrong person by telling me that we ned to shape the country. I don't know what YOU are doing at 11pm on this Friday night. Me, I'm doing what I've been doing these past three nights till 1am - working on a tender to try to secure a 6 figure contract from an overseas customer.

What I do reserve the right to do, regularly, is to point out to the people who arrogantly or ignorantly ignored the warning s of the effect that choosing to leave would have, that those warnings have come to pass. A society that ignores the consequences of its own actions is one that declines rapidly. I don't want Britain to decline. So I'll continue to point out these lessons if you don't mind. Or in fact, if you DO mind.

We may yet pull ourselves round, but f**k me, I wouldn't be starting from here. That Bloomberg report says that our economic underperformance relative to the rest of the G8 since 2016 will have cost us £200bn by the end of this year. So all we need is for another 2million people to be sat up until the wee small hours, winning us six figure contracts and all will be well. While the predominantly economically inactive people who gave us Brexit lecture us on moving on...

Billy .

It's not personal but you have to factor in the amount of anti democratic shenanigans we've seen from Pro EU supporters over the last 3 and a half years .

If you've got caught in the flack then I apologise .

For what it's worth I never bought in to the anti EU utopia and I know we face a turbulent time .

My vote wasn't about me it was about my kids and our grandkids and I firmly believe history will be on our side and will deliver a better future for them .

I've always viewed the EU as a very influenced Neoliberal project which by definition I will always oppose .

This thing has cost the Labour Party 59 seats and anyone who stalls a democratic mandate or try's to overturn it will find myself making them accountable .

Yes it's a Tory mandate but it's supported by traditional Labour voters and Leave won .

What more can I say .

Tyke.  A number of my friends voted leave for the very same reason.  They've never been able to quantify how this will be possible with any reliable facts, only hopes and 'with a good wind'.  So, can you give me any facts that leaving the EU WILL mean your children, and especially your grandchildren, will have a better future?  Because I can't see any facts that would show that my grandchildren will!
 
We are where we are, we're leaving the EU.  I hope that you can justify your decision to your grandchildren,  I know I can justify mine, having been freely able to work anywhere within the EU.

Your Grand children will be very grateful, for a start they will be living in a prosperous country which will have a population that is a suitable size with services that can cope. They will be able to look at Europe and look at the mess those fat cat Burecrats have made of it.

Where is your PROOF of this Sprotty?  Give us some provable FACTS.

[Sprotyrover]

You show me the proof for your agrguement first please?

[Not Now Kato]

You show me the proof for your agrguement first please?

You seem to have difficulty reading Sproty, I said....
 

Tyke.  A number of my friends voted leave for the very same reason.  They've never been able to quantify how this will be possible with any reliable facts, only hopes and 'with a good wind'.  So, can you give me any facts that leaving the EU WILL mean your children, and especially your grandchildren, will have a better future?  Because I can't see any facts that would show that my grandchildren will!
 
We are where we are, we're leaving the EU.  I hope that you can justify your decision to your grandchildren,  I know I can justify mine, having been freely able to work anywhere within the EU.

What part of "freely able to work anywhere within the EU" do you have difficulty understanding?
 
Now, answer the question I asked you!

[scawsby steve]

Same old, same old, same old.

OK Steve, you tell me - how WILL my Grandchildren have a better future when we leave the EU?  No if's, no maybe's, no sound-bites - just cold hard provable FACTS.

I've no idea because I'm not clairvoyant, and neither are you.

Economic predictions are just that, predictions; they're not facts.

Chill out, enjoy the Rovers. Your grandchildren will be fine, same as mine.

[BillyStubbsTears]

SS

And THAT sums up the problem.

1) Ignore predictions.

2) Ignore facts that confirm that predictions were correct.

3) Arrogantly say everything will be alright.


You don't do predictions? Fine. Then deal with facts. As a direct consequence of the 2016 vote, we have already lost £130bn. That will be £200bn and counting by the end of the year.

That would pay for 200 new infirmaries and a quarter of a million nurses salaries for ten years.

Or a million new houses.

Or HS3 with all bells and whistles. Five times over.


That's gone. Lost. Because of what you voted for.

Be man enough to own that fact. Instead of smugly saying "we'll be ok".

[selby]

  Billy, one of the biggest predictions about Brexit was that the City of London would lose thousands of jobs in the financial sector. It hasn't happened, will not happen, there are more people employed now, they can get around legislation by opening small offices on the continent and do the real work in London, and people do not want to relocate to Paris or anywhere else to work, they wnt to be where the real action is, here or the States.
 Some of our institutions are starting to even be attracted to the hard Brexit option, not wanting to be restricted by EU regulation.
 It hasn't happened, the sages were wrong, the financial sector is now not a subject, the threats moving on to the motor sector and others, the motor sector being in trouble for other reasons other than Brexit world wide.
  And I think most of those threats will be proved to be pie in the sky when things get sorted out. Stop wishing your future away.

[scawsby steve]

SS

And THAT sums up the problem.

1) Ignore predictions.

2) Ignore facts that confirm that predictions were correct.

3) Arrogantly say everything will be alright.


You don't do predictions? Fine. Then deal with facts. As a direct consequence of the 2016 vote, we have already lost £130bn. That will be £200bn and counting by the end of the year.

That would pay for 200 new infirmaries and a quarter of a million nurses salaries for ten years.

Or a million new houses.

Or HS3 with all bells and whistles. Five times over.


That's gone. Lost. Because of what you voted for.

Be man enough to own that fact. Instead of smugly saying "we'll be ok".

No BST, you don't just do facts and predictions, you do the facts and predictions that you WANT to believe. That was evident the other day when you denied that the US economy is booming, when all the pundits I've heard on all the news channels have stated that it is.

As regards smugly saying that we'll be OK, what do you expect me to think? That it's all doom and gloom? I don't feel that way, and I seriously think it's time some of you accept what's happened and move on.

You're not going to change anything by constantly moaning.

[Glyn_Wigley]

SS

And THAT sums up the problem.

1) Ignore predictions.

2) Ignore facts that confirm that predictions were correct.

3) Arrogantly say everything will be alright.


You don't do predictions? Fine. Then deal with facts. As a direct consequence of the 2016 vote, we have already lost £130bn. That will be £200bn and counting by the end of the year.

That would pay for 200 new infirmaries and a quarter of a million nurses salaries for ten years.

Or a million new houses.

Or HS3 with all bells and whistles. Five times over.


That's gone. Lost. Because of what you voted for.

Be man enough to own that fact. Instead of smugly saying "we'll be ok".

No BST, you don't just do facts and predictions, you do the facts and predictions that you WANT to believe. That was evident the other day when you denied that the US economy is booming, when all the pundits I've heard on all the news channels have stated that it is.

As regards smugly saying that we'll be OK, what do you expect me to think? That it's all doom and gloom? I don't feel that way, and I seriously think it's time some of you accept what's happened and move on.

You're not going to change anything by constantly moaning.

But you are?

[Axholme Lion]

What's the big deal about being able to live and study in Europe? Why can't people be happy with what they have got and stay at home?