Coronavirus

[drfchound]

Cases rising among school age children:

https://twitter.com/DeeGilhawley/status/1374831558083887115

Wilts, I really am not surprised at all.

Hound - this is not the kids fault.

We are now political pawn's, being played by our government and the EU.

Both trying to make money out of our suffering.

It is the kids fault when after school and at weekends they gather in large groups, no face masks etc.
Of course I know they are required to go to school but they are not compelled to behave irresponsibly after school.

Fascinating that you think kids are more likely to spread covid when out in the park for an hour rather than sitting with 20+ others in the same room for 6 hours. Why do you think BFYP kiddie caught something on returning to the nursery rather than in the park?

I was talking about teenagers rather than nursery groups.
I have mentioned it before on here.
Have you not seen groups of teenagers hanging out in the evenings and at weekends.

Hound it's hardly the crime of the century,

Would you not have done the same at that age ?

We didn’t have Coronavirus when I was a teenager so I don’t know whether I would have risked taking a killer disease home to my parents.
And it is against the rules to have large gatherings.

[Nudga]

Best way for kids to gain some immunity/antibodies.

[BillyStubbsTears]

Hound.

That's right. You didn't have COVID when you were a teenager. You could socialise as you wished. Whereas many, many teenagers, my two included, have barely seen their friends in the past 12 months at a vital developmental stage. The overwhelming majority have done their bit to help protect YOUR generation. And all you seem capable of doing is carping at them.

[drfchound]

Hound.

That's right. You didn't have COVID when you were a teenager. You could socialise as you wished. Whereas many, many teenagers, my two included, have barely seen their friends in the past 12 months at a vital developmental stage. The overwhelming majority have done their bit to help protect YOUR generation. And all you seem capable of doing is carping at them.

So, it seems that you, you, yes you.....the biggest critic of stuff that can spread the virus, advocates the potential spread of the virus.
Hypocrite.
Well done.

[scawsby steve]

Hound.

That's right. You didn't have COVID when you were a teenager. You could socialise as you wished. Whereas many, many teenagers, my two included, have barely seen their friends in the past 12 months at a vital developmental stage. The overwhelming majority have done their bit to help protect YOUR generation. And all you seem capable of doing is carping at them.

BST, my 21 year old granddaughter lives with me, and runs her own business. There's no way I'd ever criticise her or her friends, because they're all very vibrant go ahead type of people.

However, I'm having a hell of a time convincing them about taking the jab, and she assures me that most of her peers are thinking the same way.

I honestly think there are going to be problems with the vaccine uptake of this age group; but I hope I'm wrong.

[BillyStubbsTears]

Hound.
No, I'm asking you to be realistic about activities that really spread the virus, and to cut just a bit of slack to kids who, for the most part have made massive sacrifices to help your generation.

I don't recall you criticising Eat Out to Help Out, or the refusal to follow scientific advice on the September lockdown, or Johnson's 5 month insistence that we'd have a normal-ish Xmas that painted him into a corner and led to the horrific third wave that killed 80,000 of your generation. But a few kids meeting outside is regularly slammed down by you.

[drfchound]

Hound.
No, I'm asking you to be realistic about activities that really spread the virus, and to cut just a bit of slack to kids who, for the most part have made massive sacrifices to help your generation.

I don't recall you criticising Eat Out to Help Out, or the refusal to follow scientific advice on the September lockdown, or Johnson's 5 month insistence that we'd have a normal-ish Xmas that painted him into a corner and led to the horrific third wave that killed 80,000 of your generation. But a few kids meeting outside is regularly slammed down by you.

No I didn’t criticise eat out to help,out, I just didn’t do it.
I did criticise the opening up for a few days at Christmas.

I didn’t realise that all 80,000 that you mention were all of my generation, which I doubt, but irrespective of that I am not sure why you think that teenagers and young adults are sacrificing everything (which they  aren’t) for the benefit of my generation alone.
The last year of lockdowns is more valuable to an older person that the younger ones in my opinion as we have much less time left (generally) than they have so don’t give me the sacrifice line.
The knock on of course would be that if older people become hospitalised then surely that in itself puts younger people, like NHS workers for example, at risk.
All through this last year you have banged on about the need to be respectful with regards to other people and and condemned those that haven’t done.
You have fired shots at the government and the scientists all the way along.
Now, probably because it is me, you choose to have a go at someone who is suggesting that the groups of teenagers and young adults are doing wrong by getting together in large groups.
The World has been battling the COVID threat and we are at a stage where there is light at the end of the tunnel and it wouldn’t hurt for people to see it out properly.
There will be people going out on Sunday to beauty spots and the seaside a day before restrictions are lifted.
Will you say that is ok as it is only a day too soon?
I find it incredible that you say it is ok for the young people to do whatever they want to even though there is a possibility that it could result in a family member catching the virus.
Still an odd extra death doesn’t matter does it when so many have died so far.
Maybe if you didn’t have your own kids you might think differently.
My son is a 41 year old Police officer and he is another frontline worker who has to deal with miscreants so he is at risk as a result and that pisses me off.

[albie]

I can see what Hound is saying here.
Setting aside the position of individuals, what is the best way forwards to manage future pandemic risks?

Now alongside the rise in infections among the school age groups, with the time lag of 3 weeks or so for that to show up in the wider population, there is the threat from mutant strains taking hold.

Newsnight did an interesting piece on this last night;
https://twitter.com/BBCNewsnight/status/1375238507371896845

The danger here is that the UK creates a vector pathway for a new variant which is beyond the range of the current vaccines. It seems to me that this is not something to take lightly.

[SydneyRover]

It's a pity you don't have a close relative that is a nurse hound then maybe you would stick up for them and support decent pay rise.

[Bentley Bullet]

Sydney, are policies only important to you if they impact on your relatives?

[SydneyRover]

Whereas we know better than to ask anything of you or where you stand aye bb cos we never get a straight answer.

[wilts rover]

I can see what Hound is saying here.
Setting aside the position of individuals, what is the best way forwards to manage future pandemic risks?

Now alongside the rise in infections among the school age groups, with the time lag of 3 weeks or so for that to show up in the wider population, there is the threat from mutant strains taking hold.

Newsnight did an interesting piece on this last night;
https://twitter.com/BBCNewsnight/status/1375238507371896845

The danger here is that the UK creates a vector pathway for a new variant which is beyond the range of the current vaccines. It seems to me that this is not something to take lightly.

The more virus there is in the community, the more possibility there is of new variant coming along - and cases are beginning to rise again now schools have opened. As Witty and SAGE said they would. So is it going to be wise to open up much else unless and until that is under control?

Any pandemic has to arrive in this country from overseas. Strict border controls and a functioning test, trace and isolate system once it has been identified, are the measures which those countries who best dealt with this one used.

[wilts rover]

Thread on the spread of new variants - and what should be done to stop them

https://twitter.com/chrischirp/status/1375527007673540609

[Bentley Bullet]

What does that article say we should do to deal with the spread of new variants that the government isn't already doing?

[SydneyRover]

I'd imagine the experts would probably have a few ideas pity they don't get a say

[big fat yorkshire pudding]

Thread on the spread of new variants - and what should be done to stop them

https://twitter.com/chrischirp/status/1375527007673540609

I mean the thread says its speculative and doesn't actually say to do anything different unless that happens (which it hasn't), so I'm not sure it offers us much.

Those who are saying our slow opening is too fast have yet to say just exactly how we solve the problems of continuing restrictions.

[SydneyRover]

If the vaccines don't work with any of these variants it will be back to square 1. Being cautious with an unknown would be a better option I would think.

[drfchound]

Thread on the spread of new variants - and what should be done to stop them

https://twitter.com/chrischirp/status/1375527007673540609

I mean the thread says its speculative and doesn't actually say to do anything different unless that happens (which it hasn't), so I'm not sure it offers us much.

Those who are saying our slow opening is too fast have yet to say just exactly how we solve the problems of continuing restrictions.

That’s last sentence in your post bfyp, isn’t that usually the case.
It’s easy to be critical of something but not always easy to come up with an alternative solution.

[big fat yorkshire pudding]

Of course it is. It's very easy to criticise but the government and scientists have to balance much more than just the virus don't they?

[drfchound]

Of course it is. It's very easy to criticise but the government and scientists have to balance much more than just the virus don't they?

Absolutely.

[albie]

I don't think some of you have understood the Twitter thread from Christina Pagel that Wilts posted.

She sets out the timeline for a widespread transmission from a low base here;
https://twitter.com/chrischirp/status/1375527031656615939/photo/1

What is speculative is drawing a conclusion on the timing, and the extent to which the SA variant is restricted by the measures taken in the UK, and the summer weather.

I reckon that a new variant will be the main concern come autumn.
Lets hope that the UK has a new vaccine to manage the change when it comes.

[wilts rover]

Of course it is. It's very easy to criticise but the government and scientists have to balance much more than just the virus don't they?

Pointing out evidence and potential problems ahead if these are not addressed it is not critisim.

Pointing out in two weeks/months time the results of not addressing them when they have developed into something worse is.

The countries that have done best/suffered the least so far from the pandemic are the ones who took early action to halt the spread of the virus. The ones who have done worst went for herd immunity. You can't balance a virus.

[drfchound]

I don't think some of you have understood the Twitter thread from Christina Pagel that Wilts posted.

She sets out the timeline for a widespread transmission from a low base here;
https://twitter.com/chrischirp/status/1375527031656615939/photo/1

What is speculative is drawing a conclusion on the timing, and the extent to which the SA variant is restricted by the measures taken in the UK, and the summer weather.

I reckon that a new variant will be the main concern come autumn.
Lets hope that the UK has a new vaccine to manage the change when it comes.

Albie, the bbc news this morning suggested that there might be up to eight vaccine variants by the autum.

[albie]

Hound,

Yes, that's good.

At this stage, we don't know how effective they will be, do we?
The important point is that we manage the infection rate so that we start the autumn with a low baseline figure.

Worst thing would be to try to shut the stable door after the horse has bolted, just like we did before!

[drfchound]

Hound,

Yes, that's good.

At this stage, we don't know how effective they will be, do we?
The important point is that we manage the infection rate so that we start the autumn with a low baseline figure.

Worst thing would be to try to shut the stable door after the horse has bolted, just like we did before!

I totally agree with you albie.
Hopefully everyone will do their best to stick to the sensible options.
I hope that shops etc continue to ask people to wear masks, for the short term at least until everyone has had two jabs.
Only hindsight will tell us how successful the vaccine roll out will have been.

[River Don]

So the WHO has concluded they don't know where Covid came from but the are pretty certain it didn't come from the Wuhan lab. Because.

They will continue to investigate but they definitely won't be looking any further at the lab. The Americans are annoyed and Fauci is sceptical.

Turns out the leader of the WHO is not a scientist but a politician. He was the health Secretary of Eritrea. A single party communist dictatorship.

[drfchound]

So the WHO has concluded they don't know where Covid came from but the are pretty certain it didn't come from the Wuhan lab. Because.

They will continue to investigate but they definitely won't be looking any further at the lab. The Americans are annoyed and Fauci is sceptical.

Turns out the leader of the WHO is not a scientist but a politician. He was the health Secretary of Eritrea. A single party communist dictatorship.

Genuine question here RD.
Would the WHO leader have been elected and by which people.

[SydneyRover]

genuine answers can found here: Google

[River Don]

Bloomberg:

The US has “real concerns about the methodology and the process” of the report, including that the Chinese government “apparently helped to write it,” secretary of state Antony Blinken said on CNN. While there needs to be “accountability for the past”, the focus should be on building a stronger system for the future.

Anthony Fauci, the top US infectious diseases specialist, said he didn’t know if the report would be a “whitewash” when asked about it on CBS, and said he wouldn’t pre-judge the conclusions.

“What I would like to do is first see the report,” said Fauci, director of the US National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases, said “You’re getting a lot of conjecture around about what they did and what they were allowed to do or not.”

“If, in fact, obviously, there was a lot of restrictions on the ability of the people who went there to really take a look, then I’m going to have some considerable concern about that.”

The stench around this just won't lift.

[Axholme Lion]

Hound.
No, I'm asking you to be realistic about activities that really spread the virus, and to cut just a bit of slack to kids who, for the most part have made massive sacrifices to help your generation.

I don't recall you criticising Eat Out to Help Out, or the refusal to follow scientific advice on the September lockdown, or Johnson's 5 month insistence that we'd have a normal-ish Xmas that painted him into a corner and led to the horrific third wave that killed 80,000 of your generation. But a few kids meeting outside is regularly slammed down by you.

Most of the people i work with are in their twenties and i can honestly say they haven't given a tom tit about following the rules. There is a girl here in her early twenties being given the jab this week because of a member of her family, who walks around ignoring all social distancing and doesn't care about infecting older staff here but needs the jab because of home!!!




No I didn’t criticise eat out to help,out, I just didn’t do it.
I did criticise the opening up for a few days at Christmas.

I didn’t realise that all 80,000 that you mention were all of my generation, which I doubt, but irrespective of that I am not sure why you think that teenagers and young adults are sacrificing everything (which they  aren’t) for the benefit of my generation alone.
The last year of lockdowns is more valuable to an older person that the younger ones in my opinion as we have much less time left (generally) than they have so don’t give me the sacrifice line.
The knock on of course would be that if older people become hospitalised then surely that in itself puts younger people, like NHS workers for example, at risk.
All through this last year you have banged on about the need to be respectful with regards to other people and and condemned those that haven’t done.
You have fired shots at the government and the scientists all the way along.
Now, probably because it is me, you choose to have a go at someone who is suggesting that the groups of teenagers and young adults are doing wrong by getting together in large groups.
The World has been battling the COVID threat and we are at a stage where there is light at the end of the tunnel and it wouldn’t hurt for people to see it out properly.
There will be people going out on Sunday to beauty spots and the seaside a day before restrictions are lifted.
Will you say that is ok as it is only a day too soon?
I find it incredible that you say it is ok for the young people to do whatever they want to even though there is a possibility that it could result in a family member catching the virus.
Still an odd extra death doesn’t matter does it when so many have died so far.
Maybe if you didn’t have your own kids you might think differently.
My son is a 41 year old Police officer and he is another frontline worker who has to deal with miscreants so he is at risk as a result and that pisses me off.