Coronavirus

[wilts rover]

The majority of the British public is not in danger from covid nor ever has been - see the start of this thread.

That does not mean anyone catching it wont have a bad dose or be hospitalised - they are at very little risk of dying from it - see the start of this thread.

2 million of the most vulnerable people recieved shielding letters

its is thought around another 1 million people are also at risk

It is up to individuals if they think they should keep other people safe. Surveys have show around 80-85% of people want restrictions

Therefore people are just not going to go out if they think they might get ill - or more appropriately if they think they might make someone else in their family/friends ill - whatever the government say.

They let covid run riot - and it has.

[kirk]

The majority of the British public is not in danger from covid nor ever has been - see the start of this thread.

That does not mean anyone catching it wont have a bad dose or be hospitalised - they are at very little risk of dying from it - see the start of this thread.

2 million of the most vulnerable people recieved shielding letters

its is thought around another 1 million people are also at risk

It is up to individuals if they think they should keep other people safe. Surveys have show around 80-85% of people want restrictions

Therefore people are just not going to go out if they think they might get ill - or more appropriately if they think they might make someone else in their family/friends ill - whatever the government say.

They let covid run riot - and it has.

80 - 85 % want restrictions ??

The poll I saw was 38 %

[River Don]

I think we need to keep everything crossed that after the initial burst Omicron turns out to be a mild version.

There are still indications it might be.

[scawsby steve]

I think we need to keep everything crossed that after the initial burst Omicron turns out to be a mild version.

There are still indications it might be.

No, RD, there aren't indications that it MIGHT be mild; the SA doctor who discovered the strain has stated that it definitely IS mild.

However, that doesn't correlate with some people's agenda of fear and paranoia.

[normal rules]

I think we need to keep everything crossed that after the initial burst Omicron turns out to be a mild version.

There are still indications it might be.

No, RD, there aren't indications that it MIGHT be mild; the SA doctor who discovered the strain has stated that it definitely IS mild.

However, that doesn't correlate with some people's agenda of fear and paranoia.

Fear and paranoia are easy smears to throw around.

However, reports are emerging that 72% of those that contracted omicron were or had already been infected by Delta, resulting in a level of immunity. What this translates to is that the figures from SA are potentially heavily muted.
Chris Whitty tried to explain this last night and I don’t think it came over very well.

[BillyStubbsTears]

I think we need to keep everything crossed that after the initial burst Omicron turns out to be a mild version.

There are still indications it might be.

No, RD, there aren't indications that it MIGHT be mild; the SA doctor who discovered the strain has stated that it definitely IS mild.

However, that doesn't correlate with some people's agenda of fear and paranoia.

SS.
If you're going to keep on about this, do your research.

That doctor said the patients she had seen had generally had milder symptoms.

She hasn't been part of a statistically representative analysis. it's and hoc info. Like Nudga knowing all those people whose cocks have dropped off after having the vaccine. It's not necessarily representative.

[scawsby steve]

I think we need to keep everything crossed that after the initial burst Omicron turns out to be a mild version.

There are still indications it might be.

No, RD, there aren't indications that it MIGHT be mild; the SA doctor who discovered the strain has stated that it definitely IS mild.

However, that doesn't correlate with some people's agenda of fear and paranoia.

SS.
If you're going to keep on about this, do your research.

That doctor said the patients she had seen had generally had milder symptoms.

She hasn't been part of a statistically representative analysis. it's and hoc info. Like Nudga knowing all those people whose cocks have dropped off after having the vaccine. It's not necessarily representative.

I don't need to do any research. I heard what she said with my own ears, which was that the UK shouldn't be panicking over a strain that is mild, and is nowhere near as voracious as the Delta strain.

Look, we've had our jabs, and are using our masks and hand sanitisers, and are keeping away from indoor venues. Why are you insisting that we all should be paranoid and full of fear as well?

[bpoolrover]

https://apnews.com/article/coronavirus-pandemic-business-health-africa-south-africa-c8d09bed79be4a25f752237c0470961b

[rich1471]

We will all be in lockdown after Christmas in early January , He will not dare do it before Christmas or he would get stung up by his balls

[BVB]

..and strung up by those articles as well I hope…Rich!

[rich1471]

Been at the hospital this morning as my wife is ill, they are going to emergency operations only like what happened in lockdown and are preparing for lockdown after Christmas

[BVB]

Sorry to hear that - hopefully she can get the treatment she needs despite all.
 

[Axholme Lion]

Been at the hospital this morning as my wife is ill, they are going to emergency operations only like what happened in lockdown and are preparing for lockdown after Christmas

https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/the-nhs-constitution-for-england/the-nhs-constitution-for-england

Quote this at them and don't take no for an answer.

[normal rules]

23 games off now between the top 4 leagues. Was it ever this bad during the peak?

[Axholme Lion]

Hopefully it will peak quickly.

[Metalmicky]

93k cases and 111 deaths today

[BillyStubbsTears]

93k cases and 111 deaths today

Remember, that's 93k cases REPORTED YESTERDAY. Probably something like 60,000 of those are Omicron.

Given a 5-6 day delay between catching the virus and tests being reported, given the fact that only about half of all people with the virus actually get tested, and given a 2 day doubling period, it's possible that there were upwards of 500,000 new infections today. It's no wonder football matches are being lost. This thing is now everywhere.

[drfchound]

93k cases and 111 deaths today

Remember, that's 93k cases REPORTED YESTERDAY. Probably something like 60,000 of those are Omicron.

Given a 5-6 day delay between catching the virus and tests being reported, given the fact that only about half of all people with the virus actually get tested, and given a 2 day doubling period, it's possible that there were upwards of 500,000 new infections today. It's no wonder football matches are being lost. This thing is now everywhere.

So if the infection rates are actually that high then the death rates become an even smaller percentage which of course is better news.

[wilts rover]

For those who continue to insist omicron is 'mild' this just coming through:


The risk of reinfection from Omicron is more than five times higher than Delta and shows no sign of being milder than the previous coronavirus variant, according to a study by Imperial College London.

The results, based on data from the UK Health Security Agency and Britain’s National Health Service, analysed people who tested positive for Covid-19 in a PCR test in England between 29 November and 11 December, reports Reuters.

“We find no evidence (for both risk of hospitalisation attendance and symptom status) of Omicron having different severity from Delta,” the study said, although it noted that data on hospitalisations remains very limited.

“Controlling for vaccine status, age, sex, ethnicity, asymptomatic status, region and specimen date, Omicron was associated with a 5.4-fold higher risk of reinfection compared with Delta,” the study, which was dated Dec. 16, added.

Imperial College said in a statement: “This implies that the protection against reinfection by Omicron afforded by past infection may be as low as 19%.” The institution also noted that the study had not yet been peer reviewed.


https://www.reuters.com/business/healthcare-pharmaceuticals/omicron-five-times-more-likely-reinfect-than-delta-study-says-2021-12-17/

[Bentley Bullet]

Correct me if I'm wrong here, but doesn't that just say that people who previously had a dose of the Delta variant are only 19% protected against contracting Omicron, as opposed to 85% protection against contracting the Delta variant again? Bearing in mind that the Delta variant is being taken over by the Omicron strain, does this statistic have much importance regarding future cases? Does it suggest that people who contract Omricon for the second time in the future won't be protected similarly to those who contracted the Delta strain twice?

[scawsby steve]

For those who continue to insist omicron is 'mild' this just coming through:


The risk of reinfection from Omicron is more than five times higher than Delta and shows no sign of being milder than the previous coronavirus variant, according to a study by Imperial College London.

The results, based on data from the UK Health Security Agency and Britain’s National Health Service, analysed people who tested positive for Covid-19 in a PCR test in England between 29 November and 11 December, reports Reuters.

“We find no evidence (for both risk of hospitalisation attendance and symptom status) of Omicron having different severity from Delta,” the study said, although it noted that data on hospitalisations remains very limited.

“Controlling for vaccine status, age, sex, ethnicity, asymptomatic status, region and specimen date, Omicron was associated with a 5.4-fold higher risk of reinfection compared with Delta,” the study, which was dated Dec. 16, added.

Imperial College said in a statement: “This implies that the protection against reinfection by Omicron afforded by past infection may be as low as 19%.” The institution also noted that the study had not yet been peer reviewed.


https://www.reuters.com/business/healthcare-pharmaceuticals/omicron-five-times-more-likely-reinfect-than-delta-study-says-2021-12-17/

So once again we see top scientists and doctors contradicting each other.

[roversdude]

Genuine question - are people in hospital due to covid or in hospital and tested positive for covid

[BillyStubbsTears]

Genuine question - are people in hospital due to covid or in hospital and tested positive for covid

The overwhelming majority are the former.

[wilts rover]

For those who continue to insist omicron is 'mild' this just coming through:


The risk of reinfection from Omicron is more than five times higher than Delta and shows no sign of being milder than the previous coronavirus variant, according to a study by Imperial College London.

The results, based on data from the UK Health Security Agency and Britain’s National Health Service, analysed people who tested positive for Covid-19 in a PCR test in England between 29 November and 11 December, reports Reuters.

“We find no evidence (for both risk of hospitalisation attendance and symptom status) of Omicron having different severity from Delta,” the study said, although it noted that data on hospitalisations remains very limited.

“Controlling for vaccine status, age, sex, ethnicity, asymptomatic status, region and specimen date, Omicron was associated with a 5.4-fold higher risk of reinfection compared with Delta,” the study, which was dated Dec. 16, added.

Imperial College said in a statement: “This implies that the protection against reinfection by Omicron afforded by past infection may be as low as 19%.” The institution also noted that the study had not yet been peer reviewed.


https://www.reuters.com/business/healthcare-pharmaceuticals/omicron-five-times-more-likely-reinfect-than-delta-study-says-2021-12-17/

So once again we see top scientists and doctors contradicting each other.

They did say the other day it was to early to tell. You will notice this report has yet to be peer reviewed so it could change again.

It may very well be 'mild'. But anyone assuming it is on what has happened so far is doing just that - assuming.

[kirk]

Genuine question - are people in hospital due to covid or in hospital and tested positive for covid

The overwhelming majority are the former.

That cannot be substantiated and you know it!!

You say you deal in facts... then do it !!

I have been in hospital many times and they are deserted, not even half full.

[SydneyRover]

''NHS hospitals in England 94% full before start of Omicron surge
Four in five critical care beds are full and one in four ambulance handovers are taking more than 30 minutes''

https://www.theguardian.com/society/2021/dec/16/nhs-hospitals-in-england-94-full-before-start-of-omicron-surge

make your comment below ...................

[normal rules]

My eldest sons Girlfriend is a midwife. In our local hospital, she says the only covid cases there are, are ones that have been detected as a result of being in hospital. Ie they were in hospital for something else and during routine testing covid has been detected.they had no idea they had covid.

[SydneyRover]

Where are these figures from?

13/12/2020

https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/

[BillyStubbsTears]

Genuine question - are people in hospital due to covid or in hospital and tested positive for covid

The overwhelming majority are the former.

That cannot be substantiated and you know it!!

You say you deal in facts... then do it !!

I have been in hospital many times and they are deserted, not even half full.

Fascinating that you assume I'd make this up. Is that your usual experience of people?

Here. The NHS's own statistics. https://www.england.nhs.uk/statistics/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2021/12/Primary-Diagnosis-Supplement-20211216.xlsx

At last count, this Tuesday just gone, there were 5986 people in English NHS beds WITH COVID, of which 4387 patients' primary reason for being in hospital was their COVID infection. 73.2% of people in hospital with COVID are in hospital BECAUSE of COVID.

[BillyStubbsTears]

My eldest sons Girlfriend is a midwife. In our local hospital, she says the only covid cases there are, are ones that have been detected as a result of being in hospital. Ie they were in hospital for something else and during routine testing covid has been detected.they had no idea they had covid.

Your eldest son's girlfriend's hospital is a bit of an odd one then, given that on average 3/4s of all the patients in English hospitals with COVID have COVID as their primary reason for being in hospital. I wonder what is going on at her place?