Coronavirus

[BillyStubbsTears]

Nudga.

I'm sure the 13,000 or so people who are currently in hospital primarily because of a COVID infections are really just having the snuffles and should be told to man up and get to work.

[selby]

  Can't keep those Frenchies down, reports are saying that they have found a new strain of the variant with 48 more spikes on it than Omicron, always bigger and better except presidents.
  I christen it the Paris variant, as they were rotten to the Kent variant.

[BVB]

Don’t worry -  now that we’ve taken back control there’s no way it will get in to the UK.

Not without filling in a shed load of paperwork first anyway.

[SydneyRover]

maybe you could apply to do johnson's old column at the telegraph selby?

[Ldr]

Nudga.

I'm sure the 13,000 or so people who are currently in hospital primarily because of a COVID infections are really just having the snuffles and should be told to man up and get to work.

0.019% of the population

[BillyStubbsTears]

Or 73% of all the unoccupied bed capacity that was available in UK hospitals going into the winter.

Thing about statistics is, you can shape them how you want if you are so inclined. What matters, always, is honest intent and correct context.

[Nudga]

Or 73% of all the unoccupied bed capacity that was available in UK hospitals going into the winter.

Thing about statistics is, you can shape them how you want if you are so inclined. What matters, always, is honest intent and correct context.

Yep, just like the NHS chief did not long back.

[belton rover]

Or 73% of all the unoccupied bed capacity that was available in UK hospitals going into the winter.

Thing about statistics is, you can shape them how you want if you are so inclined. What matters, always, is honest intent and correct context.

OMFG

[Ldr]

Or 73% of all the unoccupied bed capacity that was available in UK hospitals going into the winter.

Thing about statistics is, you can shape them how you want if you are so inclined. What matters, always, is honest intent and correct context.

OMFG

I saw it too

[drfchound]

Un f**king believable.
Outraged.

[Bentley Bullet]

https://youtu.be/9w1y-kMPNcM

[BillyStubbsTears]

As ever BB, you're quite at liberty to point out any occasion where I've deliberately posted any figures out of context in an attempt to deceive.

In your own time.

[drfchound]

The thing is though BB, that people post the wrong figures but if they go unchallenged they become an accepted fact.
When they are challenged the original poster withdraws what he said but how does anyone know if the original figure posted was intended to deceive.

[Ldr]

When we have a chance to properly look back at who performed a service to the nation in this crisis, the BBC deserves a savaging.

It employs people to inform us about health issues.

They've just put this graphic up on their website

https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/976/cpsprodpb/DD9F/production/_122553765_hospital_cases_uk_31dec-nc.png

"Nearly 12000 people in hospital with COVID" it says. Doesn't look like too big an increase does it? Maybe there's no reason for concern.

Then the small print. "Most recent data for all nations is from 29 December".

So they are showing 4 day old data in a rapidly changing scenario.

But there IS additional data out there. The data on total number of patients in hospital with COVID in England alone has been published right up to today. And currently it stands at over 13,000. There's a delay in data from the other UK nations but if you factor in what they are likely to be, it's likely that the total UK hospital cases is now top side of 15,000.

 That's double what it was the week before Xmas.

And because hospital cases lag infections by 3 or so weeks, those total hospital cases are going to go MUCH higher.

The BBC journalists could easily have given an estimate of where we now are and properly inform people. It took me 20 seconds to find the numbers.

Just before anyone else jumps on this. What Billy’s link doesn’t show is that this graphic hasn’t just been put up, it was put up on 31st December:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-51768274


And it’s hardly small print.

Billy - you are becoming more embarrassing by each post.

Will someone show him this please. The graph he cleverly sent a link for without any other details was there for all to see on 31st December.

Billy Liar.

Exhibit a

[Bentley Bullet]

The thing is though BB, that people post the wrong figures but if they go unchallenged they become an accepted fact.
When they are challenged the original poster withdraws what he said but how does anyone know if the original figure posted was intended to deceive.

You don't know Hound. All you can say is the rule of thumb on this forum at least is Labour supporters shape statistics to suit their agenda and if they are pulled up they say it wasn't deliberate.

Anyone else does the same thing and they are liars!

[Nudga]

The thing is though BB, that people post the wrong figures but if they go unchallenged they become an accepted fact.
When they are challenged the original poster withdraws what he said but how does anyone know if the original figure posted was intended to deceive.

You don't know Hound. All you can say is the rule of thumb on this forum at least is Labour supporters shape statistics to suit their agenda and if they are pulled up they say it wasn't deliberate.

Anyone else does the same thing and they are liars!

And if you're not aligned to any party at all, you're an anti vaxxers conspiracy nut job.

[Ldr]

Are we 100% sure the BST account is still in the hands of the original person? Seems more and more like a parody account now

[BillyStubbsTears]

When we have a chance to properly look back at who performed a service to the nation in this crisis, the BBC deserves a savaging.

It employs people to inform us about health issues.

They've just put this graphic up on their website

https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/976/cpsprodpb/DD9F/production/_122553765_hospital_cases_uk_31dec-nc.png

"Nearly 12000 people in hospital with COVID" it says. Doesn't look like too big an increase does it? Maybe there's no reason for concern.

Then the small print. "Most recent data for all nations is from 29 December".

So they are showing 4 day old data in a rapidly changing scenario.

But there IS additional data out there. The data on total number of patients in hospital with COVID in England alone has been published right up to today. And currently it stands at over 13,000. There's a delay in data from the other UK nations but if you factor in what they are likely to be, it's likely that the total UK hospital cases is now top side of 15,000.

 That's double what it was the week before Xmas.

And because hospital cases lag infections by 3 or so weeks, those total hospital cases are going to go MUCH higher.

The BBC journalists could easily have given an estimate of where we now are and properly inform people. It took me 20 seconds to find the numbers.

Just before anyone else jumps on this. What Billy’s link doesn’t show is that this graphic hasn’t just been put up, it was put up on 31st December:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-51768274


And it’s hardly small print.

Billy - you are becoming more embarrassing by each post.

Will someone show him this please. The graph he cleverly sent a link for without any other details was there for all to see on 31st December.

Billy Liar.

Exhibit a

What in the name of holy f**k are you on about?

On 3 January, the BBC published this webpage which had a graphic with 4-5 old data on hospitalisations
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-59853621


If Belton says the same graphic was ORIGINALLY posted on 31 December, that is totally and utterly irrelevant. I wasn't talking about when it was originally posted. I was saying that it was posted on 3 January, when it was totally out of date, and easily updatable.

Are you lot seriously saying I was lying and deliberately misleading on this? If so, you're even less able to form coherent arguments than I'd realised.

[tommy toes]

You pack of hyenas ought to be ashamed of yourselves.
BST provides enough evidence to back up his posts, while you lot just naysay.
Why he bothers I'll never know.

[Ldr]

When we have a chance to properly look back at who performed a service to the nation in this crisis, the BBC deserves a savaging.

It employs people to inform us about health issues.

They've just put this graphic up on their website

https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/976/cpsprodpb/DD9F/production/_122553765_hospital_cases_uk_31dec-nc.png

"Nearly 12000 people in hospital with COVID" it says. Doesn't look like too big an increase does it? Maybe there's no reason for concern.

Then the small print. "Most recent data for all nations is from 29 December".

So they are showing 4 day old data in a rapidly changing scenario.

But there IS additional data out there. The data on total number of patients in hospital with COVID in England alone has been published right up to today. And currently it stands at over 13,000. There's a delay in data from the other UK nations but if you factor in what they are likely to be, it's likely that the total UK hospital cases is now top side of 15,000.

 That's double what it was the week before Xmas.

And because hospital cases lag infections by 3 or so weeks, those total hospital cases are going to go MUCH higher.

The BBC journalists could easily have given an estimate of where we now are and properly inform people. It took me 20 seconds to find the numbers.

Just before anyone else jumps on this. What Billy’s link doesn’t show is that this graphic hasn’t just been put up, it was put up on 31st December:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-51768274


And it’s hardly small print.

Billy - you are becoming more embarrassing by each post.

Will someone show him this please. The graph he cleverly sent a link for without any other details was there for all to see on 31st December.

Billy Liar.

Exhibit a

What in the name of holy f**k are you on about?

On 3 January, the BBC published this webpage which had a graphic with 4-5 old data on hospitalisations
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-59853621


If Belton says the same graphic was ORIGINALLY posted on 31 December, that is totally and utterly irrelevant. I wasn't talking about when it was originally posted. I was saying that it was posted on 3 January, when it was totally out of date, and easily updatable.

Are you lot seriously saying I was lying and deliberately misleading on this? If so, you're even less able to form coherent arguments than I'd realised.

I’d have a hard time believing you if you said water was wet tbh, it’s a real stretch to believe anything you post anymore which is a shame as you used to be one of the most interesting posters on here.

[belton rover]

You pack of hyenas ought to be ashamed of yourselves.
BST provides enough evidence to back up his posts, while you lot just naysay.
Why he bothers I'll never know.

I don’t know why he bothers either, Tommy.
It would be best for everyone if he didn’t. Including him.

Having said that, he’s so much more relaxed now, you know.

[BillyStubbsTears]

This is a perfect example of what I was talking about in another thread earlier this week. Certain people, two of whom I am doing my level best to ignore, coming to the discussion with an absolute certainty that other people are acting in bad faith. And as a result, over and over again they are reading into other people's posts the very worst of interpretations. It's got to stop folks. It is utterly corrosive to any civilised discussion.

[belton rover]

This is a perfect example of what I was talking about in another thread earlier this week. Certain people, two of whom I am doing my level best to ignore, coming to the discussion with an absolute certainty that other people are acting in bad faith. And as a result, over and over again they are reading into other people's posts the very worst of interpretations. It's got to stop folks. It is utterly corrosive to any civilised discussion.

You still don’t get this ‘ignoring’ lark, do you Billy. You don’t get to decide who responds to your posts, not on this forum.

Now, of course, you play the innocent victim who only wants civilised discussion.

What utter poppycock.

[Ldr]

This is a perfect example of what I was talking about in another thread earlier this week. Certain people, two of whom I am doing my level best to ignore, coming to the discussion with an absolute certainty that other people are acting in bad faith. And as a result, over and over again they are reading into other people's posts the very worst of interpretations. It's got to stop folks. It is utterly corrosive to any civilised discussion.

You still don’t get this ‘ignoring’ lark, do you Billy. You don’t get to decide who responds to your posts, not on this forum.

Now, of course, you play the innocent victim who only wants civilised discussion.

What utter poppycock.

Narcissistic people do tend to play the victim

[BillyStubbsTears]

Ldr.

Just stop and think for a moment about this specific incidence that you cited.

1) I wrote that the BBC had just published misleading out of date information.

2) It appears that Belton found that they'd published the same data several days earlier, when it was still out of date, but not as much.

3) From that, Belton chose to conclude that I was lying and deliberately misleading.

4) You clearly agree with him.

What I said in my original post that seems to have kicked all this of was a simple statement of absolutely unarguabale objective truth. from that, you and Belton have concluded that I am a liar. I assume because that seems to fit the conclusion that you want to arrive at.

Do you genuinely not see the problem here?

[tommy toes]

Belton
Hound
Bentley
Ldr
Nudga
et al
You're having a lovely time goading BST just because he calls you out for some of the stuff you often post on here, and by providing reasoned argument and evidence for why he calls you out, you gang together and resort to the only tactic left, ridicule and abuse.
If he posted the correct lottery results for several weeks in a row you'd still say he's wrong.
Nothing to do with anything other than a personal vendetta, started by BB and jumped on by the rest of you.
As I said you ought to be ashamed.
Grow up.

[Ldr]

You categorically state the data is 4 days out of date and express outrage. You back it with a pic of the graph in question with the published date cropped off, and then have the audacity to post later about honest intent and importance of context. So yeah, I see a problem with what you post

[drfchound]

You categorically state the data is 4 days out of date and express outrage. You back it with a pic of the graph in question with the published date cropped off, and then have the audacity to post later about honest intent and importance of context. So yeah, I see a problem with what you post

And this is why people are losing confidence in much of what is said on here.
Just a lack of honesty really.

[BillyStubbsTears]

Ldr.
This was the webpage where I saw that graph.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-59853621

That was published at about 17:30 on 3 January. The data in that graph was then 5 days out of date (not 4, my mistake - corrected).

When this hoo haa kicked off, I even posted that weblink to demonstrate the point.

https://www.drfc-vsc.co.uk/index.php?topic=275849.msg1123073#msg1123073

The graph that I posted the link to was published by the BBC in a webpage at about 17:30 on 3 January. That is a matter of unarguable objective truth. If it was also in another webpage that was published a few days before that, that doesn't in any way change the objective truth of the previous statement.  It is actually frightening that you and others don't see that. But you appear to be so utterly determined, as Belton is, to have your belief that I'm a liar confirmed, that you lose the ability to think straight.

As for "the published date cropped off", there was no published date on the original of the graph that I posted the link to. I posted the link to the image that was embdedded in the original BBC post. I genuinely haven't got a clue what the f**k you are banging on about.

I realise this is pointless because you have decided that I'm a liar who deliberately wishes to mislead, but I am telling you that you are categorically and totally wrong.

[Axholme Lion]

Belton
Hound
Bentley
Ldr
Nudga
et al
You're having a lovely time goading BST just because he calls you out for some of the stuff you often post on here, and by providing reasoned argument and evidence for why he calls you out, you gang together and resort to the only tactic left, ridicule and abuse.
If he posted the correct lottery results for several weeks in a row you'd still say he's wrong.
Nothing to do with anything other than a personal vendetta, started by BB and jumped on by the rest of you.
As I said you ought to be ashamed.
Grow up.

If any 'ganging up' goes on on here it's long been the leftie clique who are respsonsible. Now they're getting somwe back they don't like it. People in glass houses...