Coronavirus

[normal rules]

I looked back a few years at something not dis-similar to what we have going on currently. This may afford some perspective for the future.

 The headlines were terrifying. Hospitals facing intolerable pressures as patients left dying in corridors, the BBC reported.
It got so bad that 68 leading A&E doctors wrote to the prime minister to spell out their concerns.
This is not now though. It was the winter of 2017-18 - the last bad flu season when more than 300 people a day were dying from that virus at one point.
And that was not even a one-off. In January 2016 hospitals were cancelling routine operations, telling patients to stay away from A&E if they could, and emergency treatment areas were being set up outside some units - just as they are now.

Time we cracked on and lived with this virus perhaps?

[BillyStubbsTears]

So another of my staff has tested +be and will be off all next week. And because he was in contact with him, my antivaxxer staff member now has to isolate for two weeks.

I reckon that's now 13 man weeks we've lost to COVID since the week before Xmas. All on full pay. Not a penny of Govt support.

Welcome to "Living with it."

Genuine question Billy is there nothing they can do to work from home - we adopted a hybrid working system during lockdown one so that once staff were allowed back it was a choice. Appreciate this is not possible across all sectors

I can find bits of stuff for them to do, but our real work involves use of specialist equipment at the workplace.

[BillyStubbsTears]

I reckon BST would make them wear a mask on zoom calls because I'm sure some of his staff are traumatised by maskless faces.

I'd make you wear one if you worked for me, made out of a big f**king pillow, just to shut you up.

[Nudga]

I reckon BST would make them wear a mask on zoom calls because I'm sure some of his staff are traumatised by maskless faces.

I'd make you wear one if you worked for me, made out of a big f**king pillow, just to shut you up.

Haha That's more like it Billy.

[BillyStubbsTears]

You're welcome Nudga.

[BillyStubbsTears]

Excellent Twitter thread on how we deal with COVID in the very long term
https://mobile.twitter.com/EpiEllie/status/1444088804961304581

If there is one tiny positive in this disaster, it's been the efforts of brilliant, dedicated professionals like this one to educate the rest of us. If we spent more time listening to them and less listening to the charismatic no-nothing gobshites across social media, the world would be a much better place.

[Bentley Bullet]

Who said that?

[belton rover]

Excellent Twitter thread on how we deal with COVID in the very long term
https://mobile.twitter.com/EpiEllie/status/1444088804961304581

If there is one tiny positive in this disaster, it's been the efforts of brilliant, dedicated professionals like this one to educate the rest of us. If we spent more time listening to them and less listening to the charismatic no-nothing gobshites across social media, the world would be a much better place.

What about the brilliant, dedicated professionals like her, who disagree with all or part of what she says?

I agree with the gobshite bit, though.

[Branton Red]

Excellent Twitter thread on how we deal with COVID in the very long term
https://mobile.twitter.com/EpiEllie/status/1444088804961304581

If there is one tiny positive in this disaster, it's been the efforts of brilliant, dedicated professionals like this one to educate the rest of us. If we spent more time listening to them and less listening to the charismatic no-nothing gobshites across social media, the world would be a much better place.

Excellent read the key point being "We don’t have the political or social will to eliminate or eradicate covid." So far Covid has thankfully proven to be a disease we can easily, cheaply and quickly develop very effective and very safe vaccines against.

We're not going to effectively eradicate the disease though because: -

a) too large a % of the population aren't getting vaccinated partly due to selfishness in believing there is more danger to them from the vaccine than the virus and f**k anyone they may pass it on to. Partly due to people believing shite posted by said gobshites on social media about the vaccines
b) Governments across the world are not taking strong enough action against the non-vaccinated to strongly encourage/force them to be jabbed

[Nudga]

Excellent Twitter thread on how we deal with COVID in the very long term
https://mobile.twitter.com/EpiEllie/status/1444088804961304581

If there is one tiny positive in this disaster, it's been the efforts of brilliant, dedicated professionals like this one to educate the rest of us. If we spent more time listening to them and less listening to the charismatic no-nothing gobshites across social media, the world would be a much better place.

Excellent read the key point being "We don’t have the political or social will to eliminate or eradicate covid." So far Covid has thankfully proven to be a disease we can easily, cheaply and quickly develop very effective and very safe vaccines against.

We're not going to effectively eradicate the disease though because: -

a) too large a % of the population aren't getting vaccinated partly due to selfishness in believing there is more danger to them from the vaccine than the virus and f**k anyone they may pass it on to. Partly due to people believing shite posted by said gobshites on social media about the vaccines
b) Governments across the world are not taking strong enough action against the non-vaccinated to strongly encourage/force them to be jabbed

Like this dude?

https://twitter.com/SteveBakerHW/status/1479729712234737667?t=i7Tzco7HaHIc7waav6ZMtg&s=19

[Branton Red]

Nudga. The blokes talking nonsense there is no evidence that the booster is ineffective after 2 months. Also I'm assuming he's had a previous iteration of Covid i.e. Delta which compared to the booster (after 2 prior vaccines) has much more limited protection against Omicron.

I'm going under the knife shortly having listened to that I'll make sure to ask that all those involved in operating on me are fully jabbed - so thank you for highlighting this idiot working with vulnerable people in our hospitals.

[Nudga]

Jesus Henry Christ. You can still pass it on even when vacci.......... Oh f**k it.

[BillyStubbsTears]

Nudga

I posted a link to an epidemiologist talking about epidemiology.

You posted a link to an anaesthetist taking about virology. And from what I've read, getting it wrong.

[BillyStubbsTears]

Jesus Henry Christ. You can still pass it on even when vacci.......... Oh f**k it.

Yes. You CAN.  But most don't at all, or do so less.

You can kill a kid in a car crash if you're only doing 25mph. That's not an argument for doing 60mph outside a school.

[Nudga]

Nudga

I posted a link to an epidemiologist talking about epidemiology.

You posted a link to an anaesthetist taking about virology. And from what I've read, getting it wrong.

Aye, just some pudding that's been working at the coal face for two years.

[wilts rover]

New mutant strain - Deltacron, combination of delta and omicron - detected in Cyprus

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10384049/Scientists-Cyprus-identify-new-Deltacron-Covid-strain-combines-Delta-Omicron.html

[Branton Red]

Nudga

I posted a link to an epidemiologist talking about epidemiology.

You posted a link to an anaesthetist taking about virology. And from what I've read, getting it wrong.

Aye, just some pudding that's been working at the coal face for two years.

More than a pudding - an idiot putting vulnerable people's lives at risk based on misinformation. People like him are the reason the Government are correct to insist all NHS patient facing staff are fully vaccinated - personally I think this rule should apply to all workplaces.

[BillyStubbsTears]

Nudga

I posted a link to an epidemiologist talking about epidemiology.

You posted a link to an anaesthetist taking about virology. And from what I've read, getting it wrong.

Aye, just some pudding that's been working at the coal face for two years.

In a totally different field.

Would you trust an F1 mechanic's opinion over a bus mechanic's opinion  on how to fix a bus engine

[SydneyRover]

Excellent Twitter thread on how we deal with COVID in the very long term
https://mobile.twitter.com/EpiEllie/status/1444088804961304581

If there is one tiny positive in this disaster, it's been the efforts of brilliant, dedicated professionals like this one to educate the rest of us. If we spent more time listening to them and less listening to the charismatic no-nothing gobshites across social media, the world would be a much better place.

Following the science, so far this has been the best explanation.

[Ldr]

Quite clear now that there's an increase in daily deaths, corresponding to the increase  in cases that started about 3 weeks ago, and the increase in cases in hospitals that started 10 days or so after that.

The 7 day average of deaths by date of death was down to 108 by the week before Xmas and it had been falling steadily since late September. By New Year's Eve, it was up to 130. Fortunately the speed that the deaths are increasing is not as high as the rate that new cases and new cases in hospitals has gone up, but it's not zero either. Looks like the trend in daily deaths is going to rise up towards 200 again over this month.

I fear we are now spreading in an acute setting

Genuine question Ldr. What does that mean?

Spreading within hospitals

From an optomistic and realistic poster such as yourself - that's worrying.

Bbc news live feed page 10.59 (apols on phone so no link) “a sizeable percentage -30% or more - of those patients have caught covid in hospital” in a comment referring to the 18,000 currently in hospital with covid.

[BillyStubbsTears]

One day we'll look back on this era.

I suspect a few historians will be shaking their heads in a "how f**ked up did they let their society get?" kind of way and using this quote as an example.

"Quite a lot of people witnessed people in their community dying from Covid, that makes them think life can be short, and you’d better live now than postpone it to a later date. That also has helped [Rolls-Royce sales] quite massively."



https://www.ft.com/content/4fe2cec5-8a34-4125-9fff-46c01d5fc60e

What sort of person thinks "Shit. Loads of people dying around me. Better buy a Roller."???

[big fat yorkshire pudding]

I'm definitely one of those so I can see it. I've seen the impact in my work of it on disposable income with huge changes due to the covid spell, positively for us.

Just rebooked our march holiday given the country we had booked looked very unlikely, fortunately we did it knowing this could happen with a refund guarantee etc (bar about 25 quid).

[Bentley Bullet]

I bought a new caravan last year. I thought, bugger the cost, you can't take it with you.

[belton rover]

I completely agree. We have just upgraded from a caravan to a motor home for Mrs Belton and I to to enjoy the here and now.

[drfchound]

Well I did buy a roller.

That bedroom has been ready for painting for a couple of years now.

[bpoolrover]

One day we'll look back on this era.

I suspect a few historians will be shaking their heads in a "how f**ked up did they let their society get?" kind of way and using this quote as an example.

"Quite a lot of people witnessed people in their community dying from Covid, that makes them think life can be short, and you’d better live now than postpone it to a later date. That also has helped [Rolls-Royce sales] quite massively."



https://www.ft.com/content/4fe2cec5-8a34-4125-9fff-46c01d5fc60e

What sort of person thinks "Shit. Loads of people dying around me. Better buy a Roller."???

strange you would buy a roller of course, but I know many vulnerable people and there just getting on with life as they might not have that many years left anyway and don't want to spend anymore time in lockdown, my mum stayed in for my dad before he passed and she aged 10 years just by staying in bored for over a year, since she has started going back she looks miles better for it, so maybe we should let people make there own minds up how to spend the last few years rather than deciding for them?

[selby]

  NR, your observations of years gone by are correct, the figures given on the radio stated that the numbers in ICU units last week numbered less than the numbers in the previous four years week for week (last Weeks corresponding  dates) before 2019 and Covid, about 3400 of which only six per cent were Covid patients

[drfchound]

I think you have to take the roller comment and insert whatever it is that people want to spend their money on.
I also know people who have gone down the road of “sod it, I’m going to spend my money coz I don’t know how long i’ve got left”.
The roller of course might be relevant to some people.

[Nudga]

Oh f**k off!!

https://www.theguardian.com/science/2022/jan/08/global-spread-of-autoimmune-disease-blamed-on-western-diet

Setting the stage to hide vax side effects.
They'll blame climate change too.

[normal rules]

  NR, your observations of years gone by are correct, the figures given on the radio stated that the numbers in ICU units last week numbered less than the numbers in the previous four years week for week (last Weeks corresponding  dates) before 2019 and Covid, about 3400 of which only six per cent were Covid patients

I’ve researched ONS stats for flu and pneumonia also. Given we just don’t hear about this in the news at all currently.
Between 2015 and 2019, 30,000 people sadly lost their lives every year with flu or pneumonia on their death certificate.that’s 150,000. No 28 day nonsense either.
I’ll be interested to see how many flu deaths there have been for 2020/2021.