Coronavirus

[ColinDouglasHandshake]

Little Bertie aged 12 has covid. He is unvax and asymptomatic.
Mum and dad, who don’t think he needs vax, takes bertie to see Granny aged 75.
Bertie unwittingly gives granny covid. She dies of it.
Had Bertie been vaxed, he would have been significantly less likely to give it to his Granny.
I wonder how this would affect Berties mental health knowing he has contributed to his grannies death. And that steps could have been taken To reduce this risk. But he is lead by his wiser parents.
Believable?
I’ll let you decide.

Already decided. I've already had that convo with my kid.

'Look, we can see granny and she's fine with that. She's been jabbed and that should help her stay safe but we can't keep everyone safe because the jab doesn't work for everyone but i'm sure she'll be fine. Most people are and it is just like flu. If she gets poorly or worse then it's just one of those things that we can't do much about, although it will be nobodys fault. Try not to worry yourself about it.'

That's normal. Not what you've just posted.

My mum is a grown adult who has had the jab. If she wants to see her granddaughter then she knows the risks. She takes the risk or doesn't after making a decision. The end. Really bloody simple this tbh.

If she gets Covid and dies then so be it. We can't save everyone and normality MUST be resumed (IMO - just put that in there for Sha66y or he'll be on). Anyone that wants to change the way they live their lives to fit around a minor virus then fine. Just don't expect others to - including their kids.

[Nudga]

How much viral load does asymptomatic have?

[Ldr]

Wait, won’t somebody think of the children…….. can’t stand people who emote

[ColinDouglasHandshake]

How much viral load does asymptomatic have?

Dr Steve James was on the radio today commenting on how asymptomatic transmission is probably a myth. Quality interview with him actually. Bloke with his head screwed on.

One thing he said i've been saying for ages. He mentioned that most people he'd seen in ITU over the pandemic were mainly really elderly and with 4 or more co-morbidities, although there are outliers of course. But he said that focus should be on the NHS trying to reduce co-morbidities in the first place rather than looking for a solution after the event. Ie vaccines to protect people who have developed a number of co-morbidites due to lifestyle factors.

Like people who take Proton Pump Inhibitors for GERD or reflux and systematically destroy their digestive system, purely because they can't be bothered to work out why they've got the problem in the first place and work on addressing it. They'd rather carry on eating fish and chips and drinking beer and pop a PPI every day to plaster over the cracks of the real issue.

Just for balance, there are genuine people out there who have literally tried everything under the sun to control GERD but still can't. It's a horrible disease and even doing absolutely everything sometimes won't solve the issue but for most they just want to carry on an unhealthy lifestyle but be symptom free. Which is why PPI's are dished out like sweets by GP's.

Our healthcare system is a joke. No mention of healthy eating, vitamins, exercise, mental wellbeing from the NHS these last 2 years. Just jabs and boosters. They're a f**king joke.

Massive credit to Dr Steve James and he's the type of NHS worker we can't afford to lose yet deserthead Javid is going to put 80k NHS workers on the scrapheap overnight and cause further pain to patients.

[SydneyRover]

''Our healthcare system is a joke. No mention of healthy eating, vitamins, exercise, mental wellbeing from the NHS these last 2 years. Just jabs and boosters. They're a f**king joke''

Underfunded, understaffed, 800+ healthcare workers dead due to covid, in the midst of a raging pandemic without enough safety equipment .............. I'm guessing maybe they were a tad busy?

[ColinDouglasHandshake]

''Our healthcare system is a joke. No mention of healthy eating, vitamins, exercise, mental wellbeing from the NHS these last 2 years. Just jabs and boosters. They're a f**king joke''

Underfunded, understaffed, 800+ healthcare workers dead due to covid, in the midst of a raging pandemic without enough safety equipment .............. I'm guessing maybe they were a tad busy?

Indeed. Yet the adverts for Covid boosters and jabs proliferate our radio, tv, bus shelters, lamposts etc. Someone found the time and money for that.

In fact, there is a new tv programme starting called Geordie Hospital. How did the staff find the time to feature in that?

[SydneyRover]

''Our healthcare system is a joke. No mention of healthy eating, vitamins, exercise, mental wellbeing from the NHS these last 2 years. Just jabs and boosters. They're a f**king joke''

Underfunded, understaffed, 800+ healthcare workers dead due to covid, in the midst of a raging pandemic without enough safety equipment .............. I'm guessing maybe they were a tad busy?

Indeed. Yet the adverts for Covid boosters and jabs proliferate our radio, tv, bus shelters, lamposts etc. Someone found the time and money for that.

In fact, there is a new tv programme starting called Geordie Hospital. How did the staff find the time to feature in that?

Maybe you need to change from a crop duster blame pattern to a scalpel so I/we know exactly who you think is to blame for all these transgressions, blaming severely underpaid health workers that have no say in funding or policy is a bit extreme under the circumstances where they bust a gut to save others.

[ColinDouglasHandshake]

''Our healthcare system is a joke. No mention of healthy eating, vitamins, exercise, mental wellbeing from the NHS these last 2 years. Just jabs and boosters. They're a f**king joke''

Underfunded, understaffed, 800+ healthcare workers dead due to covid, in the midst of a raging pandemic without enough safety equipment .............. I'm guessing maybe they were a tad busy?

Indeed. Yet the adverts for Covid boosters and jabs proliferate our radio, tv, bus shelters, lamposts etc. Someone found the time and money for that.

In fact, there is a new tv programme starting called Geordie Hospital. How did the staff find the time to feature in that?

Maybe you need to change from a crop duster blame pattern to a scalpel so I/we know exactly who you think is to blame for all these transgressions, blaming severely underpaid health workers that have no say in funding or policy is a bit extreme under the circumstances where they bust a gut to save others.

I don't. I blame the managers and middle managers. Those sat on their arses, working from home probably on daft salaries, private healthcare and overseeing failing hospitals. I also blame these waste of space offshoots like NHS Providers, NHS Confederation etc. There's one bloke, Chris Hopson who fronts up for NHS and he spends most of time talking b*llocks on the telly and radio! Get some work done man!! 

Nurses, ambulance staff and most doctors fine. The rest can sod off.

[Axholme Lion]

''Our healthcare system is a joke. No mention of healthy eating, vitamins, exercise, mental wellbeing from the NHS these last 2 years. Just jabs and boosters. They're a f**king joke''

Underfunded, understaffed, 800+ healthcare workers dead due to covid, in the midst of a raging pandemic without enough safety equipment .............. I'm guessing maybe they were a tad busy?

Indeed. Yet the adverts for Covid boosters and jabs proliferate our radio, tv, bus shelters, lamposts etc. Someone found the time and money for that.

In fact, there is a new tv programme starting called Geordie Hospital. How did the staff find the time to feature in that?

Maybe you need to change from a crop duster blame pattern to a scalpel so I/we know exactly who you think is to blame for all these transgressions, blaming severely underpaid health workers that have no say in funding or policy is a bit extreme under the circumstances where they bust a gut to save others.

Underpaid, really?

[SydneyRover]

''Our healthcare system is a joke. No mention of healthy eating, vitamins, exercise, mental wellbeing from the NHS these last 2 years. Just jabs and boosters. They're a f**king joke''

Underfunded, understaffed, 800+ healthcare workers dead due to covid, in the midst of a raging pandemic without enough safety equipment .............. I'm guessing maybe they were a tad busy?

Indeed. Yet the adverts for Covid boosters and jabs proliferate our radio, tv, bus shelters, lamposts etc. Someone found the time and money for that.

In fact, there is a new tv programme starting called Geordie Hospital. How did the staff find the time to feature in that?

Maybe you need to change from a crop duster blame pattern to a scalpel so I/we know exactly who you think is to blame for all these transgressions, blaming severely underpaid health workers that have no say in funding or policy is a bit extreme under the circumstances where they bust a gut to save others.

Underpaid, really?

Why do you say that, really?

[Ldr]

''Our healthcare system is a joke. No mention of healthy eating, vitamins, exercise, mental wellbeing from the NHS these last 2 years. Just jabs and boosters. They're a f**king joke''

Underfunded, understaffed, 800+ healthcare workers dead due to covid, in the midst of a raging pandemic without enough safety equipment .............. I'm guessing maybe they were a tad busy?

Indeed. Yet the adverts for Covid boosters and jabs proliferate our radio, tv, bus shelters, lamposts etc. Someone found the time and money for that.

In fact, there is a new tv programme starting called Geordie Hospital. How did the staff find the time to feature in that?

Maybe you need to change from a crop duster blame pattern to a scalpel so I/we know exactly who you think is to blame for all these transgressions, blaming severely underpaid health workers that have no say in funding or policy is a bit extreme under the circumstances where they bust a gut to save others.

Underpaid, really?

Why do you say that, really?

In all honesty Syd we are over paid

[SydneyRover]

Thank you nurse

[SydneyRover]

''NHS staff have lost thousands in real pay since 2011, studies find

Analyses by thinktank and GMB union show scale of cuts when pay adjusted for inflation''

''NHS staff in England have suffered real-terms falls in their pay of up to £2,949 over the last decade, new research by a leading health thinktank shows.

After adjusting for inflation, nurses’ and health visitors’ pay has dropped by £1,583, doctors’ by £779 and midwives’ by £1,813. However, scientific, therapeutic and technical staff have had the biggest cut – of £2,949''

https://www.theguardian.com/society/2021/jul/22/nhs-staff-have-lost-thousands-in-real-pay-since-2011-study-finds

[Ldr]

Shows how overpaid we were to begin. Not arguing for arguments sake Syd. But private sector wouldn’t pay anywhere near for roles in my sector

[Axholme Lion]

''Our healthcare system is a joke. No mention of healthy eating, vitamins, exercise, mental wellbeing from the NHS these last 2 years. Just jabs and boosters. They're a f**king joke''

Underfunded, understaffed, 800+ healthcare workers dead due to covid, in the midst of a raging pandemic without enough safety equipment .............. I'm guessing maybe they were a tad busy?

Indeed. Yet the adverts for Covid boosters and jabs proliferate our radio, tv, bus shelters, lamposts etc. Someone found the time and money for that.

In fact, there is a new tv programme starting called Geordie Hospital. How did the staff find the time to feature in that?

Maybe you need to change from a crop duster blame pattern to a scalpel so I/we know exactly who you think is to blame for all these transgressions, blaming severely underpaid health workers that have no say in funding or policy is a bit extreme under the circumstances where they bust a gut to save others.

Underpaid, really?

Why do you say that, really?

How much do nurses earn UK?
Various job boards and recruitment sites that track the salaries of jobs they post suggest the average wage of a UK Nurse is somewhere around the £33,000 to £35,000 a year mark.
Not a bad pay packet i would suggest.

[drfchound]

Shows how overpaid we were to begin. Not arguing for arguments sake Syd. But private sector wouldn’t pay anywhere near for roles in my sector

He has gone quiet.

[ColinDouglasHandshake]

At last. Some common sense from Boris regarding the Covid measures. Only over a year too late however. Still. It's a start. The mask brigade will be crying into their beer next Thursday.

[Nudga]

Harold Shitmum on here will be devastated.
Think I was told to report back here this month so we could see the 4000 deaths per day

[ColinDouglasHandshake]

Harold Shitmum on here will be devastated.
Think I was told to report back here this month so we could see the 4000 deaths per day

Haha i know. Giving it large telling us to 'wait and see'

Well we have waited and seen and all the rational people with their heads screwed on were right. As we said before people started losing their shizzle over Omicron, it is a mild illness that barely touches the sides of most people.

Bet those who got their kids jabbed are regretting it now. Given that Covid is now less deadly than flu. Which once again seems to have disappeared. Also that BBC Newcastle presenter who was in her early 40's who died of the AZ jab because she thought she was protecting others. From what? A cold?!! What a sad waste of someone's life. Because they were lied to.

Some real criminals have been at play these past two years.. They run the NHS, SAGE, MSM and the Government. They can all f**k off and do one!

Masks in classes stop tomorrow. If my kids school still carry it on in corridors then the headteacher is going down with a snooker ball in a sock. t**t.

[SydneyRover]

Maybe you should name the criminals you regularly bang on about so they can defend themselves CDH.

[wilts rover]

''Our healthcare system is a joke. No mention of healthy eating, vitamins, exercise, mental wellbeing from the NHS these last 2 years. Just jabs and boosters. They're a f**king joke''

Underfunded, understaffed, 800+ healthcare workers dead due to covid, in the midst of a raging pandemic without enough safety equipment .............. I'm guessing maybe they were a tad busy?

Indeed. Yet the adverts for Covid boosters and jabs proliferate our radio, tv, bus shelters, lamposts etc. Someone found the time and money for that.

In fact, there is a new tv programme starting called Geordie Hospital. How did the staff find the time to feature in that?

Maybe you need to change from a crop duster blame pattern to a scalpel so I/we know exactly who you think is to blame for all these transgressions, blaming severely underpaid health workers that have no say in funding or policy is a bit extreme under the circumstances where they bust a gut to save others.

Underpaid, really?

Why do you say that, really?

How much do nurses earn UK?
Various job boards and recruitment sites that track the salaries of jobs they post suggest the average wage of a UK Nurse is somewhere around the £33,000 to £35,000 a year mark.
Not a bad pay packet i would suggest.

There is a pay band scale. Starts at £240000 rises up to £37000 with experience and specialisation. Ldr would probably know more.

Whats the average pay for someone selling car parts? Does it compare to someone keeping people alive?

[roversdude]

''Our healthcare system is a joke. No mention of healthy eating, vitamins, exercise, mental wellbeing from the NHS these last 2 years. Just jabs and boosters. They're a f**king joke''

Underfunded, understaffed, 800+ healthcare workers dead due to covid, in the midst of a raging pandemic without enough safety equipment .............. I'm guessing maybe they were a tad busy?

Indeed. Yet the adverts for Covid boosters and jabs proliferate our radio, tv, bus shelters, lamposts etc. Someone found the time and money for that.

In fact, there is a new tv programme starting called Geordie Hospital. How did the staff find the time to feature in that?

Maybe you need to change from a crop duster blame pattern to a scalpel so I/we know exactly who you think is to blame for all these transgressions, blaming severely underpaid health workers that have no say in funding or policy is a bit extreme under the circumstances where they bust a gut to save others.

Underpaid, really?

Why do you say that, really?

How much do nurses earn UK?
Various job boards and recruitment sites that track the salaries of jobs they post suggest the average wage of a UK Nurse is somewhere around the £33,000 to £35,000 a year mark.
Not a bad pay packet i would suggest.

There is a pay band scale. Starts at £240000 rises up to £37000 with experience and specialisation. Ldr would probably know more.

Whats the average pay for someone selling car parts? Does it compare to someone keeping people alive?

Wow that’s an amazing wage

[Ldr]

''Our healthcare system is a joke. No mention of healthy eating, vitamins, exercise, mental wellbeing from the NHS these last 2 years. Just jabs and boosters. They're a f**king joke''

Underfunded, understaffed, 800+ healthcare workers dead due to covid, in the midst of a raging pandemic without enough safety equipment .............. I'm guessing maybe they were a tad busy?

Indeed. Yet the adverts for Covid boosters and jabs proliferate our radio, tv, bus shelters, lamposts etc. Someone found the time and money for that.

In fact, there is a new tv programme starting called Geordie Hospital. How did the staff find the time to feature in that?

Maybe you need to change from a crop duster blame pattern to a scalpel so I/we know exactly who you think is to blame for all these transgressions, blaming severely underpaid health workers that have no say in funding or policy is a bit extreme under the circumstances where they bust a gut to save others.

Underpaid, really?

Why do you say that, really?

How much do nurses earn UK?
Various job boards and recruitment sites that track the salaries of jobs they post suggest the average wage of a UK Nurse is somewhere around the £33,000 to £35,000 a year mark.
Not a bad pay packet i would suggest.

There is a pay band scale. Starts at £240000 rises up to £37000 with experience and specialisation. Ldr would probably know more.

Whats the average pay for someone selling car parts? Does it compare to someone keeping people alive?

This is what you refer to Wilts

https://www.healthcareers.nhs.uk/working-health/working-nhs/nhs-pay-and-benefits/agenda-change-pay-rates/agenda-change-pay-rates

[SydneyRover]

Ldr, not sure exactly what you do, is your pay linked to clinicians and nurses wages?

[Ldr]

Nurses tend to be on one of the pay grades in the link Syd (usually start 5, more senior nurses 6 and 7 for the top ones). Doctors usually are on a separate pay system. I am a senior analyst in informatics (analysis, statistics and business intelligence development)

[SydneyRover]

If doctors and nurses get a pay rise would this flow on to other areas?

[Ldr]

This is where it gets complicated there are different pay mechanisms in the NHS. The pay scales shown are what is known as agenda for change which stems from the reforms under the Blair governments. Most non clinical and nursing staff are on this structure and benefitted from the 3% rise last year. Should be noted that the bands used to have 10 pay points in each and staff climbed the ladder annually subject to satisfactory annual appraisal. Doctors (both consultant and junior) are on a separate scheme called medical and dental which is negotiated separately. Hence nursing staff and medical staff (doctors) can get separate increases. Worth noting we still have a final salary pension too

[SydneyRover]

Thanks Ldr, cannot claim to understand it all but the pay bands being discussed for nurses and clinicians (apologies if nurses are clinicians) start at a base and (can) climb as individuals gain experience and pass benchmarks but is also adjusted to cost of living in a particular are where they live and work?

[Ldr]

It’s only London trusts that get an uplift for location due to living costs down there. But essentially yes. Clinicians is wide encompassing term so you could include nurses in it but context may mean when you have heard nurses and clinicians the clinicians part could refer to other clinical staff (radiologists, sonographers, operating department practitioners etc)

[drfchound]

So Ldr, you are saying then that contrary to what is sometimes posted on here, that NHS pay is quite good, depending on experience and role.