Coronavirus

[Ldr]

Public sector Hound, licence to print money. I think I read a couple of years ago that around 60% of the annual NHS budget is spent on salaries. I would step down around 4k per year for the same level role in the private sector and leave one of the last final salary pensions left. For context I joined the NHS in 2006, when i did I transferred my pension fund from my previous employer (Next, they owned what are now the capita call centres on the Dearne valley). The 7 years of paying into that scheme bought me 13 months in the NHS scheme. We also have access to a hell of a lot of salary sacrifice schemes which benefit from the size of the NHS for procurement

[drfchound]

That is very interesting to hear.
Perhaps people might view this in a different light now.

[SydneyRover]

Public sector Hound, licence to print money. I think I read a couple of years ago that around 60% of the annual NHS budget is spent on salaries. I would step down around 4k per year for the same level role in the private sector and leave one of the last final salary pensions left. For context I joined the NHS in 2006, when i did I transferred my pension fund from my previous employer (Next, they owned what are now the capita call centres on the Dearne valley). The 7 years of paying into that scheme bought me 13 months in the NHS scheme. We also have access to a hell of a lot of salary sacrifice schemes which benefit from the size of the NHS for procurement

Although I am more concerned with those on the front line, nurses, cleaners, porters etc, this except helps compare the two systems, although it mainly deals with the upper echelons.

''The median annual pay of the chief executive of a very large acute NHS trust should be about £225,000, according to NHS guidance. Simon Stevens, the chief executive of NHS England, was entitled to a salary of up to £240,000 for the 2018-19 financial year.

Although the median annual salary of a trust chief executive is almost eight times higher than the UK average, maintaining the pay cap over a 12-month period would represent a significant reduction for many private healthcare bosses whose pay deals are significantly bigger than their public-sector counterparts. Once the initial 14-week period of the deal expires, it can be extended on a weekly basis.

For instance, Justin Ash, the chief executive of Spire Healthcare, received £1m in total pay for 2019. Spire said Ash and the chairman and finance director had each agreed a 20% pay cut for April, May and June''

https://www.theguardian.com/business/2020/apr/28/executive-pay-capped-at-private-hospitals-during-nhs-coronavirus-takeover

[SydneyRover]

And here Ldr, is a better one with one of those comparative graph thingies.

''Chart of the week: NHS staff pay and the cost of living''

''Wages in the NHS have grown at much less than inflation over the past decade as a whole. That means the real buying power of staff is considerably lower than it was in 2010. The chart below shows how average wages have changed since 2010 when adjusting for changes in inflation, and for changes in part-time working. 

The big drop in real wages happened at the start of the decade during a period of general public sector austerity, with no recovery since. The private sector shows a different picture. Wages fell, but then recovered strongly around 2015''

https://www.nuffieldtrust.org.uk/resource/chart-of-the-week-nhs-staff-pay-and-the-cost-of-living

[Nudga]

Well this is embarrassing and hopefully the end of Neil Ferguson and his modelling minions

https://youtu.be/sOM9jWijuH8

[big fat yorkshire pudding]

It is certainly questionable how the so called best case scenario didn't even get close to occurring with Omicron.

[Metalmicky]

TBH, I think the pay in the NHS is pretty good.  My missus works in Audiology and decided to go down to a 4 day week (32 hours, I think) last year.  She still takes home a lot more than I do...... albeit perhaps working a bit harder than myself. 

[ravenrover]

''Our healthcare system is a joke. No mention of healthy eating, vitamins, exercise, mental wellbeing from the NHS these last 2 years. Just jabs and boosters. They're a f**king joke''

Underfunded, understaffed, 800+ healthcare workers dead due to covid, in the midst of a raging pandemic without enough safety equipment .............. I'm guessing maybe they were a tad busy?

Indeed. Yet the adverts for Covid boosters and jabs proliferate our radio, tv, bus shelters, lamposts etc. Someone found the time and money for that.

In fact, there is a new tv programme starting called Geordie Hospital. How did the staff find the time to feature in that?

Maybe you need to change from a crop duster blame pattern to a scalpel so I/we know exactly who you think is to blame for all these transgressions, blaming severely underpaid health workers that have no say in funding or policy is a bit extreme under the circumstances where they bust a gut to save others.

Underpaid, really?

Why do you say that, really?

How much do nurses earn UK?
Various job boards and recruitment sites that track the salaries of jobs they post suggest the average wage of a UK Nurse is somewhere around the £33,000 to £35,000 a year mark.
Not a bad pay packet i would suggest.

There is a pay band scale. Starts at £240000 rises up to £37000 with experience and specialisation. Ldr would probably know more.

Whats the average pay for someone selling car parts? Does it compare to someone keeping people alive?

Think you need to recheck your figures, a reducing pay band?

[drfchound]

''Our healthcare system is a joke. No mention of healthy eating, vitamins, exercise, mental wellbeing from the NHS these last 2 years. Just jabs and boosters. They're a f**king joke''

Underfunded, understaffed, 800+ healthcare workers dead due to covid, in the midst of a raging pandemic without enough safety equipment .............. I'm guessing maybe they were a tad busy?

Indeed. Yet the adverts for Covid boosters and jabs proliferate our radio, tv, bus shelters, lamposts etc. Someone found the time and money for that.

In fact, there is a new tv programme starting called Geordie Hospital. How did the staff find the time to feature in that?

Maybe you need to change from a crop duster blame pattern to a scalpel so I/we know exactly who you think is to blame for all these transgressions, blaming severely underpaid health workers that have no say in funding or policy is a bit extreme under the circumstances where they bust a gut to save others.

Underpaid, really?

Why do you say that, really?

How much do nurses earn UK?
Various job boards and recruitment sites that track the salaries of jobs they post suggest the average wage of a UK Nurse is somewhere around the £33,000 to £35,000 a year mark.
Not a bad pay packet i would suggest.

There is a pay band scale. Starts at £240000 rises up to £37000 with experience and specialisation. Ldr would probably know more.

Whats the average pay for someone selling car parts? Does it compare to someone keeping people alive?

Think you need to recheck your figures, a reducing pay band?

I think we all know what he meant.

[Axholme Lion]

''Our healthcare system is a joke. No mention of healthy eating, vitamins, exercise, mental wellbeing from the NHS these last 2 years. Just jabs and boosters. They're a f**king joke''

Underfunded, understaffed, 800+ healthcare workers dead due to covid, in the midst of a raging pandemic without enough safety equipment .............. I'm guessing maybe they were a tad busy?

Indeed. Yet the adverts for Covid boosters and jabs proliferate our radio, tv, bus shelters, lamposts etc. Someone found the time and money for that.

In fact, there is a new tv programme starting called Geordie Hospital. How did the staff find the time to feature in that?

Maybe you need to change from a crop duster blame pattern to a scalpel so I/we know exactly who you think is to blame for all these transgressions, blaming severely underpaid health workers that have no say in funding or policy is a bit extreme under the circumstances where they bust a gut to save others.

Underpaid, really?

Why do you say that, really?

How much do nurses earn UK?
Various job boards and recruitment sites that track the salaries of jobs they post suggest the average wage of a UK Nurse is somewhere around the £33,000 to £35,000 a year mark.
Not a bad pay packet i would suggest.

There is a pay band scale. Starts at £240000 rises up to £37000 with experience and specialisation. Ldr would probably know more.

Whats the average pay for someone selling car parts? Does it compare to someone keeping people alive?

Ha ha. Nowhere near that mate but i don't bang on for years that i'm underpaid either or call myself a superhero for doing a days work.
There's a lot of people in the private sector who have slogged on over the past couple of years going to work doing mundane, day to day jobs but i don't see people crying for them to get pay rises because they're not 'heroes', but 'we're all in it together' right?

[Metalmicky]

Austria to make Covid jabs compulsory......

https://www.standard.co.uk/news/world/austria-covid-vaccine-mandatory-police-check-b977916.html

[Ldr]

Well they do have a certain history when it comes to fascism

[normal rules]

This is a bit extreme. The 100 or so passengers were delayed for two days, having to be re booked on another flight. I bet the woman was popular.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-60080080

[bpoolrover]

The first time for 7 months there is no one on ventilators in our local hospitals which is promising

[drfchound]

Good news indeed bpool.
Hopefully the predicted numbers by a couple of posters are going to be way out.

[bpoolrover]

Good n was indeed bpool.
Hopefully the predicted numbers by a couple of posters are going to be way out.

strange really as there are more
People with covid in the hospital but none seriously  poorly, and yes I think the numbers are
Becoming a bit irrelevant now

[drfchound]

Well, not so surprising as it was widely reported that the current variant isn’t potentially as damaging to people who catch it.

[Nudga]

Good n was indeed bpool.
Hopefully the predicted numbers by a couple of posters are going to be way out.

strange really as there are more
People with covid in the hospital but none seriously  poorly, and yes I think the numbers are
Becoming a bit irrelevant now

A lot of people have just tested positive whilst in hospital, they aren't in there because of Covid.

[ColinDouglasHandshake]

Good n was indeed bpool.
Hopefully the predicted numbers by a couple of posters are going to be way out.

strange really as there are more
People with covid in the hospital but none seriously  poorly, and yes I think the numbers are
Becoming a bit irrelevant now

A lot of people have just tested positive whilst in hospital, they aren't in there because of Covid.

Very true. Like i said before, if masks worked then every 1 in 2 patients wouldn't be getting it in hospital. The one place where everyone wears them and in clinical settings.

[ColinDouglasHandshake]

Check out the together website. Protests tomorrow in Hull and Leeds. Get yersen down there lads and lasses!

[Branton Red]

Check out the together website. Protests tomorrow in Hull and Leeds. Get yersen down there lads and lasses!

Best warn my old Mum whose going to Leeds tomorrow that it'll be standing room only on the train and with no one considerate enough to give up a seat for her.

[bpoolrover]

Good n was indeed bpool.
Hopefully the predicted numbers by a couple of posters are going to be way out.

strange really as there are more
People with covid in the hospital but none seriously  poorly, and yes I think the numbers are
Becoming a bit irrelevant now

A lot of people have just tested positive whilst in hospital, they aren't in there because of Covid.

while people are getting it while in hospital most are being found you have it when they arrive at hospital as everyone gets tested

[SydneyRover]

The number of people being admitted to hospital with covid is going down from more than 2000/day

[roversdude]

Is there a loss of interest in this thread there seems to be a few posters missing, hope they’re ok

[SydneyRover]

Is there a loss of interest in this thread there seems to be a few posters missing, hope they’re ok

I guess it's like the football thread, when we're doing ok there's not a lot to dissect, but a long way to go before being out of the woods yet.

[roversdude]

Is there a loss of interest in this thread there seems to be a few posters missing, hope they’re ok

I guess it's like the football thread, when we're doing ok there's not a lot to dissect, but a long way to go before being out of the woods yet.

How’s it going over there Sydney

[Nudga]

It's because their doomsday predictions didn't come true so they are laying low for a bit until people forget or a new scarient comes along.

[SydneyRover]

Is there a loss of interest in this thread there seems to be a few posters missing, hope they’re ok

I guess it's like the football thread, when we're doing ok there's not a lot to dissect, but a long way to go before being out of the woods yet.

How’s it going over there Sydney

Not brilliant the fed government forgot to order any RATs and deaths are rising albeit from a low start and of course affected by the delay between positive results etc. The governments all except the hermit kingdom of WA, are in a bit of a muddle after declaring covid is over and are now dealing with living and dying with covid. Some are declaring we are over the peak of infections.

[BillyStubbsTears]

Good n was indeed bpool.
Hopefully the predicted numbers by a couple of posters are going to be way out.

strange really as there are more
People with covid in the hospital but none seriously  poorly, and yes I think the numbers are
Becoming a bit irrelevant now

A lot of people have just tested positive whilst in hospital, they aren't in there because of Covid.

22% of COVID deaths had incidental COVID in the last ONS data. Meaning 78% died because of COVID.

As far as operations of hospitals goes, it doesn't really matter whether patients are there because of COVID, or have it incidentally. They still need to be isolated to prevent the virus ripping through the hospital and weakening already ill patients.

[Nudga]

https://www.ons.gov.uk/aboutus/transparencyandgovernance/freedomofinformationfoi/covid19deathsandautopsiesfeb2020todec2021