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Bentley Bullet

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Re: Coronavirus
« Reply #1860 on April 12, 2020, 01:55:16 am by Bentley Bullet »
Diane Abbott is a patronising, racist bigot.




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SydneyRover

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« Reply #1861 on April 12, 2020, 08:00:08 am by SydneyRover »
And I thought minorities would have supported each other, but there you go  :)

adamtherover

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« Reply #1862 on April 12, 2020, 08:15:28 am by adamtherover »
But at least its honest about that, unlike religion.

I didn't mention religion. If people hate religion, that's their concern.
have you actually read anything in this mini section?  Please quote where anyone has said they hate religion? 

Bentley Bullet

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« Reply #1863 on April 12, 2020, 09:00:17 am by Bentley Bullet »
And I thought minorities would have supported each other, but there you go  :)

Oh, they do, they certainly do.

idler

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« Reply #1864 on April 12, 2020, 09:33:46 am by idler »
There is an Asian family that lives near my eldest step-daughter that has one or two cars a day calling and the occupants going into the house for an hour or two.
I have a mate that lives opposite an Asian family and the same happens there.
On Friday me and the wife went for our daily walk. On Harrogate St. we heard the kids playing and when we looked down the drop into the street below it was full of young kids talking and playing on bikes etc. Maybe one reason for the disparity is some groups or larger percentages of some are ignoring a lot of the advice about social distancing.

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« Reply #1865 on April 12, 2020, 09:54:48 am by tommy toes »
The Government have obviously cocked up on supply of PPE.
The latest spin they put on it is when asked to apologise they all say 'I'm sorry people feel that way'
Priti Patel said it yesterday and Sharma just now on Marr.
This is not an apology at all ffs!
Slippery t**ts. Makes me sick.

« Last Edit: April 12, 2020, 11:36:27 am by tommy toes »

ravenrover

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« Reply #1866 on April 12, 2020, 10:05:21 am by ravenrover »
Please tell me why the media insist on saying so and so has the highest death count in the world and just ignore the fact that China is lying about it's death toll

Donnywolf

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« Reply #1867 on April 12, 2020, 10:13:39 am by Donnywolf »
I think tbf that Politicians of whatever Party including Thatcher Blair and even Churchill would have struggled to have got on top of this crisis

They really HAVE to listen to the Science and constantly say they are "led" by it but they dont seem to have been in lots of cases

However I again go back to the yes men and women of a Cabinet the likes of which I have not seen in my years are an Elector.

Some of them are remarkably incompetent - and yes they will outrank me education wise but a) that is not difficult and b) makes them no more competent

IDM

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« Reply #1868 on April 12, 2020, 10:14:42 am by IDM »
Please tell me why the media insist on saying so and so has the highest death count in the world and just ignore the fact that China is lying about it's death toll

Probably because the media doesn’t have definitive evidence of the real figures from China.?

SydneyRover

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« Reply #1869 on April 12, 2020, 10:29:27 am by SydneyRover »
DW: ''I think tbf that Politicians of whatever Party including Thatcher Blair and even Churchill would have struggled to have got on top of this crisis''

I disagree DW because there is a variation of results in other countries, if this lot are struggling it's because the systems that should be there have been trashed and they don't have the experienced people around them to call on, or I could be wrong they are just plain stupid.

adamtherover

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« Reply #1870 on April 12, 2020, 10:49:10 am by adamtherover »
Please tell me why the media insist on saying so and so has the highest death count in the world and just ignore the fact that China is lying about it's death toll

Probably because the media doesn’t have definitive evidence of the real figures from China.?
does even china know the numbers, such a large spread out population, there could be thousands dieing on a daily basis in the rural regions. No tests, no recorded figures.
If china are only doing 20 tests a day for example, that would certainly explain why they are having such small numbers...

In reality, god knows what the situation is....

Nudga

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« Reply #1871 on April 12, 2020, 10:49:36 am by Nudga »
There's a Facebook group created in honour of Boris Johnson, they want him to have a knighthood for how he has worked hard and doing the best to save the country.

Are people so easily brainwashed?

IDM

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« Reply #1872 on April 12, 2020, 10:56:27 am by IDM »
Are people so easily brainwashed?

Sadly, I think you are right, for so many things.

Filo

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« Reply #1873 on April 12, 2020, 11:05:02 am by Filo »
There's a Facebook group created in honour of Boris Johnson, they want him to have a knighthood for how he has worked hard and doing the best to save the country.

Are people so easily brainwashed?

Without a doubt they’re brainwashed, theres one or two on here that fall into that category, we’re still waiting from them for comment on Priti Patel’s ability with big numbers. The same ones that daily told us how thick Dianne Abbott was, wheres the balance Tory fanboys?

Copps is Magic

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« Reply #1874 on April 12, 2020, 11:07:03 am by Copps is Magic »
I think tbf that Politicians of whatever Party including Thatcher Blair and even Churchill would have struggled to have got on top of this crisis

Let's put aside the social distancing and economic policies (I am less inclined to criticise the government on this) and focus on the healthcare response.

Thing is, although this is a monumentally complex problem, the healthcare interventions open to the government are devilishly simple, are they not? Its a new virus: at this stage, there are only a few simple variables open to us.

1.   The underlying state of the healthcare system (investment over years – beds, staff, contingency planning, waiting times etc.)
2.   Testing (ensure infected staff are taken off duty, infected patients are isolated correclty to manage the virus in hospitals)
3.   Public health (Ensure sound public health campaigns – such as not telling people if they just wash their hand this will all go away)
4.   Equipment (ensure a steady, reliable supply of equipment: PPE, Oxygen, ventilators etc.).
5.   Treatments (as there is currently no conclusively known treatment, invest in potential treatments – techniques, therapeutic drugs, vaccines etc.)

I am sure there is a lot of important managerial, financial management stuff that I am underappreciating here (that goes on within the NHS) - but what else, as a healthcare governmental response, would make any other government in another era not be able to deal with the above, DW? The evaluation criteria to me seem quite straightforward.

So, how would we say our government have done on the above criteria?


BillyStubbsTears

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« Reply #1875 on April 12, 2020, 11:23:56 am by BillyStubbsTears »
There's a Facebook group created in honour of Boris Johnson, they want him to have a knighthood for how he has worked hard and doing the best to save the country.

Are people so easily brainwashed?

I wonder how hard he was working in February when he vanished from view for a fortnight.

That was 2 weeks after he had been warned about the danger of a pandemic. And about 3 weeks before the Govt seems to have suddenly realised that a) we didn't have testing kits b) we didn't have enough PPE for the NHS and c) Whaddya know? This thing is going to kill a whole load of people.

That lost month in February is going to end up having killed maybe 20,000 people. It didn't have to be like that. Germany got its shit together in Feb. Denmark did. Austria, Norway, Finland. We pissed it away.

Not Now Kato

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« Reply #1876 on April 12, 2020, 11:38:44 am by Not Now Kato »
There's a Facebook group created in honour of Boris Johnson, they want him to have a knighthood for how he has worked hard and doing the best to save the country.

Are people so easily brainwashed?

Yes.  You only have to look at the Brexit leave campaigns, lies, lies and more lies; but the gullible fell for it!
 
I'm guessing it'll be the same gullible people who want the inveterate liar knighted!

BillyStubbsTears

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« Reply #1877 on April 12, 2020, 12:14:05 pm by BillyStubbsTears »
A little story about politics.

On Friday, at the daily briefing, Hancock admonished NHS staff for over using PPE, hinting that was the reason that there were shortages.

Yesterday, as Leader of the Opposition, Starmer wrote this response.


https://mobile.twitter.com/Keir_Starmer/status/1248884684949524486

This has been the response from Tory MPs.

https://mobile.twitter.com/lucyallan/status/1249006439038935043

https://mobile.twitter.com/samisam147/status/1249066725959708675

And this is the contribution from the President of the British Medical Association.

https://mobile.twitter.com/eWanYoungSon/status/1249259148828688385/photo/1

Make your own minds up who you trust on this one.

BillyStubbsTears

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« Reply #1878 on April 12, 2020, 12:21:17 pm by BillyStubbsTears »
Oh. Another point. Starmer posted that at 9am yesterday.

Those responses by the Tory MPs? All sent a few minutes either side of 5pm.

How odd! They all, independently suddenly decide to respond hours later? Or (surely not in the middle of a national crisis!) there was a coordinated pile-on to the LotO doing what LotOs are supposed to do.

Copps is Magic

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« Reply #1879 on April 12, 2020, 12:34:04 pm by Copps is Magic »
Its an orchestrated political attack, clear as day. People criticise China for the control of information but it happens at the highest level of our government also.

Somehow the most worrying tweet of the lot is from Lucy Allan MP. "NHS England is responsible for PPE."

Translation: "Not my problem mate".

BillyStubbsTears

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« Reply #1880 on April 12, 2020, 12:35:39 pm by BillyStubbsTears »
CiM

Precisely. That tweet disgusts me.

Filo

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« Reply #1881 on April 12, 2020, 12:42:14 pm by Filo »
Its an orchestrated political attack, clear as day. People criticise China for the control of information but it happens at the highest level of our government also.

Somehow the most worrying tweet of the lot is from Lucy Allan MP. "NHS England is responsible for PPE."

Translation: "Not my problem mate".

An orchestrated Political attack by the same people that cry about not making things Political during this crisis, much the same as happens on here from those who have gone missing after Priti’s master performance yesterday

Copps is Magic

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« Reply #1882 on April 12, 2020, 12:50:37 pm by Copps is Magic »
Dear old Lucy clearly went off-script and let her slip her personal opinions shine through. She'll be reporting to politburo first thing tomorrow morning.

Copps is Magic

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« Reply #1883 on April 12, 2020, 01:04:58 pm by Copps is Magic »
And another thing just come to me...

..if we're "all hands to the pump", "in this together", "we never could have planned for this",

who

within the government

at this time

has time on their hands to orchestrate such a political response?

Shouldn't they, by rights, be working on the real problems?

Bristol Red Rover

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« Reply #1884 on April 12, 2020, 01:13:43 pm by Bristol Red Rover »
Another graph, from the Netherlands. For those still doubting there is anything unusual going on.



Stats eh? I've little doubt this year is unusual, however that is misleading, and it disgusts me how commonly medical stats are cherry picked like that. The problem with that is it doesn't focus on deaths with corona, and compare to other epidemics. But more so, it excludes years where flu was bad.

At this point most stats are shite, they are incomplete and messed up datewise. We will only get the picture at the end, and even then with some serious filtering out of the stats with agendas.

Copps is Magic

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« Reply #1885 on April 12, 2020, 01:18:56 pm by Copps is Magic »
BRR, there was a flu epidemic in the Netherlands in 2018. Shown in the blue line on that graph.

https://www.iamexpat.nl/expat-info/dutch-expat-news/dutch-flu-epidemic-spreading

wilts rover

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« Reply #1886 on April 12, 2020, 01:42:35 pm by wilts rover »
Have people seen this thread? From an Irish jornalist comparing the response to covid-19 by the Irish & UK governments - and the Irish & UK media.

Ireland & the UK had their first cases around the same time.

Ireland closed the schools, cancelled sports events and St Patricks Day. The UK let Cheltenham go ahead, kept schools open and let people go to work on mass transit systems.

As of Saturday 11th April there have been 6.5 deaths per 100000 people in Ireland.

In the UK there have been 14.5 deaths per 100000 people.

People in the UK are dying at more than twice the rate of those in Ireland.

Go on, tell me that is down to a different strain of virus rather than 'herd immunity'. When they give knighthoods for killing people it is supposed to be your enemy - not the people you have been elected to protect.

https://twitter.com/laineydoyle/status/1249127908876128259

Bristol Red Rover

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« Reply #1887 on April 12, 2020, 02:02:02 pm by Bristol Red Rover »
BRR, there was a flu epidemic in the Netherlands in 2018. Shown in the blue line on that graph.

https://www.iamexpat.nl/expat-info/dutch-expat-news/dutch-flu-epidemic-spreading

There's one every year but some are weak, as I believe ths ones were. And that's an interesting angle too - several weaker epidemics and more vulnerable are left as victims for the more potent one. This is a factor in this. I'm not downplaying Corona but it is important to try and get the real perspective. Things are being ignored, the stats we have and the use of them are effectively an artists impression.

ian1980

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« Reply #1888 on April 12, 2020, 02:07:52 pm by ian1980 »
Boris Johnson has now been discharged from hospital and will continue his recovery at Chequers

River Don

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« Reply #1889 on April 12, 2020, 02:12:15 pm by River Don »
Have people seen this thread? From an Irish jornalist comparing the response to covid-19 by the Irish & UK governments - and the Irish & UK media.

Ireland & the UK had their first cases around the same time.

Ireland closed the schools, cancelled sports events and St Patricks Day. The UK let Cheltenham go ahead, kept schools open and let people go to work on mass transit systems.

As of Saturday 11th April there have been 6.5 deaths per 100000 people in Ireland.

In the UK there have been 14.5 deaths per 100000 people.

People in the UK are dying at more than twice the rate of those in Ireland.

Go on, tell me that is down to a different strain of virus rather than 'herd immunity'. When they give knighthoods for killing people it is supposed to be your enemy - not the people you have been elected to protect.

https://twitter.com/laineydoyle/status/1249127908876128259

The Irish reponse was faster and more comprehensive, and there is no doubting it did save lives.

However now what happens?

Are we all really going to be able to stay in lock down for another six months, minimum? Will we get an effective vaccine then? If we do then the Irish will come out of this with less impact on the population.

But I suspect this isn't going to happen, at some point the restrictions are going to be relaxed.... And what happens then is difficult to predict. Will some stay in lockdown out of fear? Will there be a second wave, or  ongoing outbreaks?

Right now I'd say it is more likely that goverment will begin to buckle in the face of the economic chaos being wrought. By the time we emerge from this I would not be surprised if the death rates aren't pretty much consistent everywhere.

 

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