Coronavirus

[i_ateallthepies]

Just like the police investigation into Cummings' 260 mile trip found he didn't break the law, so this council 'investigation' will clear them of any wrongdoing.  It's so predictable and so corrupt.

[ravenrover]

Oh oh anothrer excuse for Boris to go missing for 2 weeks if Sharma proves positive
"Downing Street said Sharma was in a face-to-face meeting with the prime minister and chancellor about the economy before cabinet on Tuesday morning. The cabinet room has been deep-cleaned.'
No10 are saying they were all 2m apart mmmmm!

[Copps is Magic]

Death is everyone's destiny.

Bolsanaro, 2020.

https://www.smh.com.au/world/south-america/death-is-everyone-s-destiny-bolsonaro-s-words-of-comfort-20200604-p54zhe.html

[SydneyRover]

They are talking about thiss year aye?

''NHS test-and-trace system 'not fully operational until September''

https://www.theguardian.com/society/2020/jun/04/nhs-track-and-trace-system-not-expected-to-be-operating-fully-until-september-coronavirus

[Donnywolf]

I cant believe the country has not "turned" on the Govt - non violently - or maybe they have and we have to wait another 4 years and a bit before they (hopefully) have to account for their actions in "dealing" with the CV

Things change of course but people will forget how "bad" it was how the Govt struggled with it - how they lied (daily) and covered up so as to make things look better

There will be lots of the Muppets in Cabinet long gone - Constituencies will change and are being changed - people will die people will come onto the Electoral Roll for the first time and lets face it even 41 % of those who bother to vote could get them back in

... and yes once again I concede even a Govt of National unity would have had SOME problems in handling this crisis although when you look at other Countries some of them that we "sneer at" have made a hell of a lot better attempt than we have

[SydneyRover]

The Guardian have helpfully put this list together

England test and trace: what senior ministers promised and when

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/jun/04/england-test-and-trace-what-senior-ministers-promised-and-when

[BillyStubbsTears]

Johnson promised a "world leading TTI" system in place by the start of June.

Starmer suggested he cut the hyperbole and said that a working system would do.

Here's the chief of Serco who are running it, saying it's going to be September at the earliest before it is properly working, but it's important that it does because (his words) it will "cement the use of the private sector in the NHS."

https://amp.theguardian.com/society/2020/jun/04/nhs-track-and-trace-system-not-expected-to-be-operating-fully-until-september-coronavirus?__twitter_impression=true

Funny thing is, people who point these things out get accused of politicising the crisis. When the crisis is already being politicised by people like this.

[drfchound]

Figures out from the ONS suggest that the coronavirus outbreak has shrunk by more than half in the last week.
They say there are now around 53000 people thought to have the virus right now compared to the 133000 estimate from the previous week.

They suggest that currently only 0.1% of the population have the virus.
The ONS says that 39000 people caught the virus last week, compared to 54000 the week before (16th to 23rd May).

In a separate report they say that more than a quarter of the 46380 “excess deaths”
that happened between March 7th and May 1st were not directly linked to the virus.

[BillyStubbsTears]

Your last paragraph Hound. This is a more detailed take by the ONS's head of health stats.

https://mobile.twitter.com/NickStripe_ONS/status/1268823005305733125

tl:dr It looks very much like most of those "non-Cv-19 excess deaths" actually WERE CV-19 deaths without an official diagnosis.

Good news about the infection rate coming down. Here's hoping it stays that way.

[Jonathan]

Unfortunately the ‘R’ remains unchanged at 0.7 - 0.9.

[River Don]

For England the R now stands somewhere between 0.7 and 1. There are regional variations and there is particular concern about the NW.

I take it that means the NW must be just about 1.

It's starting to creep up, isn't it.

[BillyStubbsTears]

Here's analysis of R in different regions for w/e 18th and 25th May. Posted by Andy Burnham, but the source is the London School of Hygiene and Tropical Medicine.

https://twitter.com/AndyBurnhamGM/status/1268646230151888896

The R number appears to have been going up in late May in most regions.

[bpoolrover]

https://www.blackpoolgazette.co.uk/health/coronavirus/what-r-rate-blackpool-and-what-does-it-tell-us-about-coronavirus-resort-2871928?amp Strange how it can change so quickly

[River Don]

https://www.blackpoolgazette.co.uk/health/coronavirus/what-r-rate-blackpool-and-what-does-it-tell-us-about-coronavirus-resort-2871928?amp Strange how it can change so quickly

I wouldn't say shifting 0.1 in the space of a couple of days is particularly fast. We do know if this thing gets the opportunity it will go exponential and spread through a population much faster than this.

[bpoolrover]

Does it not say it has changed 1.1 or have I read it wrong? It says was 1.6 then a week later was .5?

[Bentley Bullet]

The higher figure is more than double the infection rate of the lower one.

[BillyStubbsTears]

Bpool.

R numbers for individual towns at a time of relatively low overall infection rates are meaningless.

They will be calculated by looking at the confirmed positive tests one week, against the following week.

But in a single town, you will only have a few hundred or maybe a few thousand tests in a week, and they will only pick up a random sample of how many people are actually infected. Therefore you will get big fluctuations week to week. That's not because the number really IS fluctuating that much. It's because the random variations in a small sample have a big effect.

That's much less of an issue when you look at entire regions or the whole country.

It's like football. In a single match, there may well be an unexpected result. But if you look at a thousand matches, there will be many, many more times where you get the expected result. The unexpected ones are random variations.

[bpoolrover]

Thank you bst

[SydneyRover]

This type of anomally occurs on the worldometer if you look at San Marino it has a death rate of 1238/m but only 42 deaths.

[Glyn_Wigley]

I cant believe the country has not "turned" on the Govt - non violently - or maybe they have and we have to wait another 4 years and a bit before they (hopefully) have to account for their actions in "dealing" with the CV

Things change of course but people will forget how "bad" it was how the Govt struggled with it - how they lied (daily) and covered up so as to make things look better

There will be lots of the Muppets in Cabinet long gone - Constituencies will change and are being changed - people will die people will come onto the Electoral Roll for the first time and lets face it even 41 % of those who bother to vote could get them back in

... and yes once again I concede even a Govt of National unity would have had SOME problems in handling this crisis although when you look at other Countries some of them that we "sneer at" have made a hell of a lot better attempt than we have

I too would have expected a government of any stripe or complexion to have had difficulties. The thing is, at a time of national crisis you would have expected any government to have been straight, honest and forthcoming with answers to vital questions towards the British public in the national interest. What we've had, however, is a government more concerned with making grandiose claims and announcements and then avoiding questions or downright lying in their own interest and nobody else's.

[SydneyRover]

Just for balance-dumb

''Tory MP attended lockdown barbecue with journalists
Exclusive: Bob Seely was at gathering when guidance said you could only meet one other person''

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/jun/05/tory-mp-bob-seely-attended-lockdown-barbecue-with-journalists

[Ldr]

Is there anyone in parliament or its environs that isn't a prat atm?, another one who should stand down immediately

[River Don]

The latest Public Health England study estimates the R value in the NW is actually above 1 now.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/jun/05/calls-for-local-lockdowns-as-study-finds-r-value-above-1-in-north-west-england

I wonder how high they will let it go before lockdowns are reintroduced?

[Donnywolf]

I saw the other day someone post (Facebook or Twitter) - Governments Master plan to prevent a second wave - they plan to just keep the first one going

[wilts rover]

I am still of the same mind that I was weeks ago.

If the government didn't have a clear plan to put the country in lockdown why do you expect they will have one to get us out of it?

[Donnywolf]

I think they are "reacting" to problems all the time - and I give them no credit whatsoever

It gets worse by the day and Reply #5389 just above sums them up totally

I think they are now in the "hit and hope" phase of their Innings

[Not Now Kato]

I am still of the same mind that I was weeks ago.

If the government didn't have a clear plan to put the country in lockdown why do you expect they will have one to get us out of it?

Oh it's much worse than that Wilts!  I've posted this elsewhere, but it's very relevant to this thread too....
 
https://www.theneweuropean.co.uk/top-stories/uk-population-being-fooled-by-government-1-6684939?fbclid=IwAR3RVQE0adqLasn6-L6mhQOIVyweTGohoItQTtO-NUEYv9IN0uKx5Hu5Kfo

[BillyStubbsTears]

Bpool.

I truly despair.

[IDM]

Bpool.

I truly despair.

what do you despair of have I said it’s a good idea? Or did I say I have no idea?

I don’t think anyone was suggesting the first wave continuing comment was anything more than tongue in cheek.  The meaning being there won’t be a second peak, because the first one will continue due to the inadequate response of our government.

[bpoolrover]

Ok thank you idm for you respectful post