Coronavirus

[redarmy82]

Reading that the EU aren't going to authorise the Oxford one for use, with Germany saying it is only 8% effective and they won't recognise it is a genuine vaccine if immunity passports are required in the future.

[SydneyRover]

Where's the claim coming from RA, who exactly is making it?

[big fat yorkshire pudding]

https://www.reuters.com/article/health-coronavirus-eu-astrazeneca/germany-fears-astrazeneca-vaccine-wont-get-eu-approval-for-those-over-65-bild-idUSL8N2K05OP

On one hand German sources say it isn't very good, the other the EU fuming they don't have it.....

[Filo]

It appears that the problem the EU have is from production from within the EU, so the EU health minister is trying to deflect attention from that. From what I understand the Oxford jab is being supplied at cost, unlike the other jabs, are the EU playing Vaccine Nationalism?

[SydneyRover]

The report doesn;t give any figures and talks about not being that effective for those over 65, I'd be waiting to see what scientists say themselves rather than 'sources' to a tabloid.

[Metalmicky]

I'm sure that the (all-seeing) Covid Connoisseurs on here will already be aware; however, for those other mortals who aren't as well informed, I thought this may be of interest......
 
Netherlands shaken by third night of riots over Covid curfew

About 150 anti-lockdown protesters arrested after shops looted and cars set alight in several towns and cities


https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/jan/26/netherlands-third-night-riots-covid-curfew-lockdown-protesters

[redarmy82]

I'm sure that the (all-seeing) Covid Connoisseurs on here will already be aware; however, for those other mortals who aren't as well informed, I thought this may be of interest......
 
Netherlands shaken by third night of riots over Covid curfew

About 150 anti-lockdown protesters arrested after shops looted and cars set alight in several towns and cities[/i]


https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/jan/26/netherlands-third-night-riots-covid-curfew-lockdown-protesters

And the longer this goes on, the longer the economy is decimated, businesses failing, people losing their jobs, income, homes, not being able to feed their families, this type of incident will only increase.

[big fat yorkshire pudding]

I'm sure that the (all-seeing) Covid Connoisseurs on here will already be aware; however, for those other mortals who aren't as well informed, I thought this may be of interest......
 
Netherlands shaken by third night of riots over Covid curfew

About 150 anti-lockdown protesters arrested after shops looted and cars set alight in several towns and cities


https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/jan/26/netherlands-third-night-riots-covid-curfew-lockdown-protesters

Exactly what my previous posts alluded to. People's patience will run out very soon.  Big risk this kind of thing will spread.

[ravenrover]

And looking at the pictures they seem to be teenagers and early 20s going on to loot supermarkets so is it really anti covid or just restless young people who think they are immune?

[no eyed deer]

And looking at the pictures they seem to be teenagers and early 20s going on to loot supermarkets so is it really anti covid or just restless young people who think they are immune?

If you were anti covid could you also think you are immune ?.

People especially the young have had enough.

Enough of governments passing laws, restricting freedom without being held accountable.

Even after covid the future looks grim.

The next elections will show how the population really thinks. Unless the cancel them.

[drfchound]

Do you deny you have said that hound?

Yes. I deny saying that I am only here for balance.

[i_ateallthepies]

Do you deny you have said that hound?

Yes. I deny saying that I am only here for balance ballast.

Corrected for you, Hound.  Bloody predictive text eh?

[drfchound]

Do you deny you have said that hound?

Yes. I deny saying that I am only here for balance ballast.

Corrected for you, Hound.  Bloody predictive text eh?

That is actually quite funny. 

[i_ateallthepies]

 

[BillyStubbsTears]

Here's a logic problem for you.

Explain how these two facts can co-exist in the same universe.

1) The UK has the 4th highest COVID death rate in the world, behind San Marino, Slovenia and Belgium.

2) Johnson said yesterday "We truly did everything we could" to fight the virus.

Personally, I'm struggling.

[Bentley Bullet]

Were some factors outside the governments control?

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-55757790

[albie]

Yes, some factors are outside the control of government.

The question is were those factors specific to the UK, or did other countries deal better with the hand they had been dealt.
Take NZ as a case in point.

The big issue is how the decisions made by Johnson and Co served to suppress, or magnify, the disease management and response.
The answer is very clear.

[Bentley Bullet]

New Zealand is hardly the global hub that the UK is. Neither can it be compared in numbers an density of population.

[BillyStubbsTears]

Of course some factors were outside Govt control.

What clearly wasn't outside their control was the decision of when to impose lockdowns. We did it late in March, not at all in September and late in January. That is by some long distance the reason why we have the fourth worst death rate in the world. There is simply no arguing with that. It is clear and definitive from the data on when deaths happened. And none of this is hindsight. It was all predicted in advance, while Govt was delaying the inevitable.

[River Don]

As suspected, Johnson announces desire to open schools on March 8 when the 4 most vulnerable groups have been vaccinated.

He didn't say if school staff would be inoculated by that date. For me that should be a minimum before schools open fully again.

[Bentley Bullet]

Of course some factors were outside Govt control.

What clearly wasn't outside their control was the decision of when to impose lockdowns. We did it late in March, not at all in September and late in January. That is by some long distance the reason why we have the fourth worst death rate in the world. There is simply no arguing with that. It is clear and definitive from the data on when deaths happened. And none of this is hindsight. It was all predicted in advance, while Govt was delaying the inevitable.

So, we've established that some factors were out of the government's control. That's progress. What are those factors and why have you been reluctant to mention them before?

[River Don]

The emergence of a new more transmissible varient was out of the government's control BB.

The timing of lock downs was well within their control.

[BillyStubbsTears]

Oh aye. And the line from Govt is clearly now that we have been unlucky in getting the new variant.

Which is true in itself. But the question is, how did we manage it?

We released the mini-lockdown at the start of December, even though it was already clear that something was going seriously wrong, with new cases going up before the mini-lockdown ended. Within a week or two, we had a good idea that this was due to the new variant. But we didn't do the inevitable and impose a full lockdown until the first week of the New Year. In that period, new cases QUADRUPLED. And, inevitably, deaths have quadrupled. That re-opening in December has probably cost 20,000 lives already and another 20,000 to come over the next couple of months.

[BillyStubbsTears]

I have spoken before about us being unfortunate to get the new variant and how you cannot blame the Govt for that. If you haven't seen that BB, there's not much I can do about that. Maybe you should pay more attention before dicking about and provoking arguments.

[Bentley Bullet]

Offensive attitude already! That's quick even for your standards. Now, I assume you've read the article I linked, do you agree with other factors that may have contributed to the large numbers of deaths?

[BillyStubbsTears]

I think the appropriate answer there BB was "Sorry about that. No, I hadn't seen you say that before so there was no need for my usual smart-arse dicking about and I apologise if you thought I was, as usual, looking for a row."

[big fat yorkshire pudding]

As suspected, Johnson announces desire to open schools on March 8 when the 4 most vulnerable groups have been vaccinated.

He didn't say if school staff would be inoculated by that date. For me that should be a minimum before schools open fully again.

I see labour have called for this.  It's follow the science followed by don't follow the science.

Fact is we can't all get a vaccine quickly and we should protect the most vulnerable like we do with other vaccines.

[Bentley Bullet]

I don't understand BST. Was that a "yes" or a "no"?

[BillyStubbsTears]

Bit busy for a full response right now. Will do so later.

[River Don]

As suspected, Johnson announces desire to open schools on March 8 when the 4 most vulnerable groups have been vaccinated.

He didn't say if school staff would be inoculated by that date. For me that should be a minimum before schools open fully again.

I see labour have called for this.  It's follow the science followed by don't follow the science.

Fact is we can't all get a vaccine quickly and we should protect the most vulnerable like we do with other vaccines.

If they intend to open schools ASAP,  then there is very good reason to prioritise school staff for vaccination. I'd say they are first on the list after NHS staff.

However this would put opening schools up back another few weeks. So they will let teachers take the risk, in the hope they will have enough hospital beds to cope.

I expect teachers unions will already be reacting to this proposal.