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normal rules

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« Reply #10650 on April 05, 2021, 01:26:12 pm by normal rules »
The Black Death in the mid 14th century is estimated to have decimated half of Europe’s population. Although the pop then would have been significantly less that what it is now.



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Filo

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« Reply #10651 on April 05, 2021, 01:27:51 pm by Filo »
The infection and Death figures are still making good progress, there might be something in this vaccination programme you know, especially when you compare with other countries that have been slow to roll out

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« Reply #10652 on April 05, 2021, 01:28:19 pm by BillyStubbsTears »
Yep. And that's the minimum estimate. Some say 100m. Something like 2-4% of all the people on earth.

COVID isn't as deadly, but it would have killed 50million comfortably in 2020 without the actions that countries have taken.

Filo

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« Reply #10653 on April 05, 2021, 01:29:30 pm by Filo »
The Black Death in the mid 14th century is estimated to have decimated half of Europe’s population. Although the pop then would have been significantly less that what it is now.

Black Death was Bacterial, not Viral, Black Death will never return in great numbers due to ant-biotics

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« Reply #10654 on April 05, 2021, 01:30:54 pm by wilts rover »
If you are trying to control a pandemic spready primarily to person to person contact - why on earth are you allowing 8000 tourists A DAY into the country.

It's illegal for UK citizens to travel around our own country - but fine for foreign tourists - absolutely bonkers.

Must be true btw, its in the Daily Mail:

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9436555/8-000-foreign-tourists-allowed-UK-DAY.html

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« Reply #10655 on April 05, 2021, 01:39:18 pm by selby »
  The smallpox pandemic between 1877- 1977 is estimated to have killed 500 million and had an estimated 35% mortality rate, sailors were quarantined on their ships for 40 days if docking with suspected cases on board.

BillyStubbsTears

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« Reply #10656 on April 05, 2021, 01:59:25 pm by BillyStubbsTears »
That's where the word "quarantine" comes from. Italian for 40 is "quaranto". Back in the original Black Death days, sailors arriving at Italian ports had to stay on board for "un quarantino".

I bet the 14th century Julia Hartley-Brewer was apoplectic.

selby

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« Reply #10657 on April 05, 2021, 02:13:00 pm by selby »
  Are you a fan Billy?

normal rules

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« Reply #10658 on April 05, 2021, 02:14:41 pm by normal rules »
The Black Death in the mid 14th century is estimated to have decimated half of Europe’s population. Although the pop then would have been significantly less that what it is now.

Black Death was Bacterial, not Viral, Black Death will never return in great numbers due to ant-biotics

Indeed. It was still classified as a pandemic though. And in the mid 17th C, 15% of the pop of London was wiped out to to its re- emergence.

normal rules

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« Reply #10659 on April 05, 2021, 02:16:54 pm by normal rules »
If you are trying to control a pandemic spready primarily to person to person contact - why on earth are you allowing 8000 tourists A DAY into the country.

It's illegal for UK citizens to travel around our own country - but fine for foreign tourists - absolutely bonkers.

Must be true btw, its in the Daily Mail:

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9436555/8-000-foreign-tourists-allowed-UK-DAY.html

This too baffles me. At a time when the virus is raging around Europe, again, just take a look at the daily live time arrivals at Heathrow. Utterly ridiculous. I cannot believe these are all freight planes

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« Reply #10660 on April 05, 2021, 05:54:41 pm by Nudga »
Apparently the vaccines were our route out of this, now our route out of this is twice weekly testing. Matt Hancock.

Funny that. They don't want this to end.

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« Reply #10661 on April 05, 2021, 05:57:57 pm by selby »
  NR, whether the flights are full is a different thing, but the Airlines will fly the most attractive routes so as not to lose their slots.
  If you remember BA were part of a hoo hah when their pilots were on about or went on strike and the other airlines wanted to take over their favourable slots, especially on the Atlantic crossings.
  If they don't fill them I think they are auctioned off for big bucks

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« Reply #10662 on April 05, 2021, 06:28:51 pm by BillyStubbsTears »
Really important thread here on how the COVID epidemic ends.

https://mobile.twitter.com/CT_Bergstrom/status/1378741101620654080

Since R0 was about 3-4, we reach Herd Immunity when about 70% of the population has been vaccinated. That's likely to be not before about July. And what this Tweet thread says is that it is vital that we don't allow numbers to go up dramatically before then.

Keep on top of things until then and we should be nearly there.

Then those who chose not to get vaccinated can thank the rest of us when things start to return to normal.

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« Reply #10663 on April 05, 2021, 06:39:49 pm by Nudga »
Thank you BST, absolute Saint.

big fat yorkshire pudding

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« Reply #10664 on April 05, 2021, 06:44:08 pm by big fat yorkshire pudding »
Really important thread here on how the COVID epidemic ends.

https://mobile.twitter.com/CT_Bergstrom/status/1378741101620654080

Since R0 was about 3-4, we reach Herd Immunity when about 70% of the population has been vaccinated. That's likely to be not before about July. And what this Tweet thread says is that it is vital that we don't allow numbers to go up dramatically before then.

Keep on top of things until then and we should be nearly there.

Then those who chose not to get vaccinated can thank the rest of us when things start to return to normal.

Although I probably won't have even had jab 1 by July bear that in mind.

normal rules

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« Reply #10665 on April 05, 2021, 07:23:53 pm by normal rules »
  NR, whether the flights are full is a different thing, but the Airlines will fly the most attractive routes so as not to lose their slots.
  If you remember BA were part of a hoo hah when their pilots were on about or went on strike and the other airlines wanted to take over their favourable slots, especially on the Atlantic crossings.
  If they don't fill them I think they are auctioned off for big bucks


Yep, fully aware of this. Mu sister works for TUI. And her partner works for BA. The govt could and should have stepped in to sort out the issue of airline carriers losing their slots. It’s not an issue at Gatwick as BA have pretty much shut down their whol e operation there

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« Reply #10666 on April 06, 2021, 09:22:48 am by SydneyRover »
some good news coming out of the US with those/some with long covid have recovered within days of having the vaccine, don't know which vaccine.

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« Reply #10667 on April 06, 2021, 09:39:06 am by no eyed deer »
Apparently the vaccines were our route out of this, now our route out of this is twice weekly testing. Matt Hancock.

Funny that. They don't want this to end.

Correct.... and it's going to take a revolution, wait they are now bringing laws in to stop that.



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« Reply #10668 on April 06, 2021, 11:16:15 pm by Glyn_Wigley »
some good news coming out of the US with those/some with long covid have recovered within days of having the vaccine, don't know which vaccine.

Mine's got worse.

SydneyRover

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« Reply #10669 on April 07, 2021, 03:26:27 am by SydneyRover »
some good news coming out of the US with those/some with long covid have recovered within days of having the vaccine, don't know which vaccine.

Mine's got worse.

Sorry to hear that Glyn, I hope improved understanding of covid will bring better treatments for you, Sydney

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« Reply #10670 on April 07, 2021, 07:57:02 am by Ldr »
some good news coming out of the US with those/some with long covid have recovered within days of having the vaccine, don't know which vaccine.

Suspicion would be moderna Syd, Glyn hope you perk up soon fella

big fat yorkshire pudding

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« Reply #10671 on April 07, 2021, 08:45:19 am by big fat yorkshire pudding »
some good news coming out of the US with those/some with long covid have recovered within days of having the vaccine, don't know which vaccine.

Mine's got worse.

Not good, a few of my relatives still feeling the after affects aswell it does linger some time.  I still have very little or no smell over 3 months later but bar that perfectly fine after the chest improved which was about 6 weeks and nothing out of the ordinary for the virus with my chest.

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« Reply #10672 on April 07, 2021, 08:50:52 am by SydneyRover »
some good news coming out of the US with those/some with long covid have recovered within days of having the vaccine, don't know which vaccine.

Suspicion would be moderna Syd, Glyn hope you perk up soon fella

Not sure Ldr, but an uneducated stab says there is possibly still some of the virus hanging around/active.

SydneyRover

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« Reply #10673 on April 08, 2021, 12:12:21 am by SydneyRover »
What shortage?

''More than 700,000 AstraZeneca doses secretly flown to Australia from Britain''

''London: Hundreds of thousands of doses of the AstraZeneca vaccine have been flown from the United Kingdom to Australia but the source of the shipments was kept quiet to avoid any controversy in coronavirus-ravaged Britain''

https://www.smh.com.au/world/europe/more-than-700-000-astrazeneca-doses-secretly-flown-to-australia-from-britain-20210407-p57hcl.html

normal rules

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« Reply #10674 on April 08, 2021, 07:17:38 pm by normal rules »
Interesting stat on the news tonight re AZ and blood clots. You are as likely to die from an AZ related clot as you are to be killed on a 250 mile car trip or a long haul flight.

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« Reply #10675 on April 08, 2021, 07:34:51 pm by drfchound »
Interesting stat on the news tonight re AZ and blood clots. You are as likely to die from an AZ related clot as you are to be killed on a 250 mile car trip or a long haul flight.





Some of those stats are variable by age though.
As for being killed on a 250 mile car journey, it equates to one person in a million which is the same odds a someone being struck by lightning.
Compare that risk against say people aged 55 dying from Coronavirus which is 800 in a million.
For someone aged 25 the potential is for 23 people in a million to die.
Clearly the odds of dying from a blood clot after having the AZ vaccine are much less.

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« Reply #10676 on April 08, 2021, 07:42:15 pm by scawsby steve »
I don't think the reference to the 250 mile car trip is anything to do with being killed in an accident, it's to do with developing deep vein thrombosis blood clots, as with a long haul flight.

BillyStubbsTears

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« Reply #10677 on April 08, 2021, 07:46:01 pm by BillyStubbsTears »
Interesting stat on the news tonight re AZ and blood clots. You are as likely to die from an AZ related clot as you are to be killed on a 250 mile car trip or a long haul flight.

I assume this was meant humourously, but given the fervid state of debate on this topic, it might be worth you clarifying that.

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« Reply #10678 on April 08, 2021, 07:48:43 pm by drfchound »
Interesting stat on the news tonight re AZ and blood clots. You are as likely to die from an AZ related clot as you are to be killed on a 250 mile car trip or a long haul flight.

I assume this was meant humourously, but given the fervid state of debate on this topic, it might be worth you clarifying that.






I just googled the question BST.
plenty of information came up.
The bbc news page has a good article.

drfchound

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« Reply #10679 on April 08, 2021, 07:51:16 pm by drfchound »
Interesting stat on the news tonight re AZ and blood clots. You are as likely to die from an AZ related clot as you are to be killed on a 250 mile car trip or a long haul flight.





Some of those stats are variable by age though.
As for being killed on a 250 mile car journey, it equates to one person in a million which is the same odds a someone being struck by lightning.
Compare that risk against say people aged 55 dying from Coronavirus which is 800 in a million.
For someone aged 25 the potential is for 23 people in a million to die.
Clearly the odds of dying from a blood clot after having the AZ vaccine are much less.






I don't think the reference to the 250 mile car trip is anything to do with being killed in an accident, it's to do with developing deep vein thrombosis blood clots, as with a long haul flight.






Having said that SS, the point still stands about having the jab being safer than not doing so.

 

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