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I read a article yesterday not sure how accurate but it said the only way to have stopped the delta variant and others is to keep borders closed like Australia and nz, it would just delay it otherwise, it also said them place will struggle when they finally relax restrictions due to people not have having COVID, I'll try find the link was quite a interesting read
Quote from: Bentley Bullet on June 17, 2021, 11:36:06 pmWho broke the rules Skippy? While you're at it don't forget to mention who broke the rules in the opposition parties. Boris Johnson for starters, then there was Jenrick and, need I go on?
Who broke the rules Skippy? While you're at it don't forget to mention who broke the rules in the opposition parties.
11k new infections yesterday, the last bank holiday figures are starting to filter through now
Quote from: Bentley Bullet on June 17, 2021, 08:15:56 pmThe problem goes much further than government decisions, common sense and individual responsibility will always play a massive part in living with the virus. Measures will only be as effective as the response they receive.Would common sense not say that if a new, more contagious strain of the virus is discovered in India and you think it is so dangerous that you wish to stop the risk of it reaching this country by closing travel routes from the countries next to India - you should also close travel routes to India.Yet they didn't. For three weeks. And now try and blame the public for catching it. Pathetic.https://twitter.com/ByDonkeys/status/1405550047077482499
The problem goes much further than government decisions, common sense and individual responsibility will always play a massive part in living with the virus. Measures will only be as effective as the response they receive.
Quote from: bpoolrover on June 18, 2021, 09:46:42 amI read a article yesterday not sure how accurate but it said the only way to have stopped the delta variant and others is to keep borders closed like Australia and nz, it would just delay it otherwise, it also said them place will struggle when they finally relax restrictions due to people not have having COVID, I'll try find the link was quite a interesting read Does the article explain why the UK had more cases yesterday than the rest of the EU put together?https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/
Quote from: wilts rover on June 18, 2021, 10:04:33 amQuote from: bpoolrover on June 18, 2021, 09:46:42 amI read a article yesterday not sure how accurate but it said the only way to have stopped the delta variant and others is to keep borders closed like Australia and nz, it would just delay it otherwise, it also said them place will struggle when they finally relax restrictions due to people not have having COVID, I'll try find the link was quite a interesting read Does the article explain why the UK had more cases yesterday than the rest of the EU put together?https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/ and your point is?once the delta variant is more widespread in other European countries then there numbers will go up
Quote from: wilts rover on June 18, 2021, 09:28:11 amQuote from: Bentley Bullet on June 17, 2021, 08:15:56 pmThe problem goes much further than government decisions, common sense and individual responsibility will always play a massive part in living with the virus. Measures will only be as effective as the response they receive.Would common sense not say that if a new, more contagious strain of the virus is discovered in India and you think it is so dangerous that you wish to stop the risk of it reaching this country by closing travel routes from the countries next to India - you should also close travel routes to India.Yet they didn't. For three weeks. And now try and blame the public for catching it. Pathetic.https://twitter.com/ByDonkeys/status/1405550047077482499Wilts, are you disagreeing with my point? Are you suggesting that common sense and individual responsibility does not play a massive part in living with the virus?
And on top of that, those who recover from COVID-19 have immunity to the virus for at least 8 months and maybe longer. Immunity can occur naturally after developing COVID-19 or from getting the COVID-19 vaccination.
Quote from: bpoolrover on June 18, 2021, 12:35:36 pmQuote from: wilts rover on June 18, 2021, 10:04:33 amQuote from: bpoolrover on June 18, 2021, 09:46:42 amI read a article yesterday not sure how accurate but it said the only way to have stopped the delta variant and others is to keep borders closed like Australia and nz, it would just delay it otherwise, it also said them place will struggle when they finally relax restrictions due to people not have having COVID, I'll try find the link was quite a interesting read Does the article explain why the UK had more cases yesterday than the rest of the EU put together?https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/ and your point is?once the delta variant is more widespread in other European countries then there numbers will go up My point is it's better to stop it being widespread in the first place if you can see it coming - especally now you know there is a vaccine. As Aus/NZ/EU and others have done. Not go for the herd immunity route as that article you mention appears to suggest.
Wilts, over a week ago it was reported that 4 out 0f 10 illegal immigrants that wre landing from France in dinghies were testing positive for Covid 19, which does not match up with the official numbers coming out of France, and suggest that it is far more widespread than reported there. Those numbers in France by the way are always reported by the WHO later than all the other countries in the EU and always manage to be just a few less than any of the other comparable EU countries, well they have been since Macron has come under pressure over the last few months. Anyway in the past when I quoted WHO figures for the UK if you look back a couple of weeks a number of people rubbished the numbers taken from the WHO table, Syd managing to add 25,000 deaths to the figure, what makes you think they are anywhere near correct for any other country and that they report them with Covid, Germany and France do not.
Blackpool,The UK has extensive links with India, and many travel to see family.Once the Delta Variant was identified, the first thing is to control the border access, by introducing quarantine measures.This will not stop it arriving, but it would greatly reduce the numbers infected in the early stage.When you say it will "just delay", that is the most important objective.Delay allows more jabs in arms, gives the NHS prep time, and lets the research community work on vaccine modifications.Delay is the best thing that Bozo could possibly do.....but he didn't, so he could make progress with Modi.He is as dull as dogshit!
Quote from: Bentley Bullet on June 18, 2021, 10:50:47 amQuote from: wilts rover on June 18, 2021, 09:28:11 amQuote from: Bentley Bullet on June 17, 2021, 08:15:56 pmThe problem goes much further than government decisions, common sense and individual responsibility will always play a massive part in living with the virus. Measures will only be as effective as the response they receive.Would common sense not say that if a new, more contagious strain of the virus is discovered in India and you think it is so dangerous that you wish to stop the risk of it reaching this country by closing travel routes from the countries next to India - you should also close travel routes to India.Yet they didn't. For three weeks. And now try and blame the public for catching it. Pathetic.https://twitter.com/ByDonkeys/status/1405550047077482499Wilts, are you disagreeing with my point? Are you suggesting that common sense and individual responsibility does not play a massive part in living with the virus? Yes. The reason we have been so badly affected compared to the rest of the world, in all 4 waves, is entirely down to poor government decisions. And that is just common sense.You don't live with a deadly invisible virus. You die from it. It just another poor excuse to blame the public for goverment failures - and push the herd immunity argument.
Quote from: Bentley Bullet on June 18, 2021, 11:52:06 amAnd on top of that, those who recover from COVID-19 have immunity to the virus for at least 8 months and maybe longer. Immunity can occur naturally after developing COVID-19 or from getting the COVID-19 vaccination.Had you seen this report before posting BB? Previous covid infection may not offer long term protection new study on healthcare workers finds:https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/jun/17/previous-covid-infection-may-not-offer-long-term-protection-study-finds
Quote from: wilts rover on June 18, 2021, 01:15:18 pmQuote from: Bentley Bullet on June 18, 2021, 11:52:06 amAnd on top of that, those who recover from COVID-19 have immunity to the virus for at least 8 months and maybe longer. Immunity can occur naturally after developing COVID-19 or from getting the COVID-19 vaccination.Had you seen this report before posting BB? Previous covid infection may not offer long term protection new study on healthcare workers finds:https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/jun/17/previous-covid-infection-may-not-offer-long-term-protection-study-findsI don't read the Guardian. Wilts. It is a bag of shite. I got the info from here..https://www.healthline.com/health-news/how-long-does-immunity-last-after-covid-19-what-we-know
Quote from: wilts rover on June 18, 2021, 01:04:27 pmQuote from: bpoolrover on June 18, 2021, 12:35:36 pmQuote from: wilts rover on June 18, 2021, 10:04:33 amQuote from: bpoolrover on June 18, 2021, 09:46:42 amI read a article yesterday not sure how accurate but it said the only way to have stopped the delta variant and others is to keep borders closed like Australia and nz, it would just delay it otherwise, it also said them place will struggle when they finally relax restrictions due to people not have having COVID, I'll try find the link was quite a interesting read Does the article explain why the UK had more cases yesterday than the rest of the EU put together?https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/ and your point is?once the delta variant is more widespread in other European countries then there numbers will go up My point is it's better to stop it being widespread in the first place if you can see it coming - especally now you know there is a vaccine. As Aus/NZ/EU and others have done. Not go for the herd immunity route as that article you mention appears to suggest.The question facing these countries is how do they then back out of the policy. There will be covid potentially forever, how do they open borders and accept it?
Quote from: big fat yorkshire pudding on June 18, 2021, 04:10:43 pmQuote from: wilts rover on June 18, 2021, 01:04:27 pmQuote from: bpoolrover on June 18, 2021, 12:35:36 pmQuote from: wilts rover on June 18, 2021, 10:04:33 amQuote from: bpoolrover on June 18, 2021, 09:46:42 amI read a article yesterday not sure how accurate but it said the only way to have stopped the delta variant and others is to keep borders closed like Australia and nz, it would just delay it otherwise, it also said them place will struggle when they finally relax restrictions due to people not have having COVID, I'll try find the link was quite a interesting read Does the article explain why the UK had more cases yesterday than the rest of the EU put together?https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/ and your point is?once the delta variant is more widespread in other European countries then there numbers will go up My point is it's better to stop it being widespread in the first place if you can see it coming - especally now you know there is a vaccine. As Aus/NZ/EU and others have done. Not go for the herd immunity route as that article you mention appears to suggest.The question facing these countries is how do they then back out of the policy. There will be covid potentially forever, how do they open borders and accept it?The vaccine(s). Drop the patents, increase production, get the world vaccinated. Only when everyone is safe - will everyone be safe.
Quote from: Bentley Bullet on June 18, 2021, 04:28:44 pmQuote from: wilts rover on June 18, 2021, 01:15:18 pmQuote from: Bentley Bullet on June 18, 2021, 11:52:06 amAnd on top of that, those who recover from COVID-19 have immunity to the virus for at least 8 months and maybe longer. Immunity can occur naturally after developing COVID-19 or from getting the COVID-19 vaccination.Had you seen this report before posting BB? Previous covid infection may not offer long term protection new study on healthcare workers finds:https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/jun/17/previous-covid-infection-may-not-offer-long-term-protection-study-findsI don't read the Guardian. Wilts. It is a bag of shite. I got the info from here..https://www.healthline.com/health-news/how-long-does-immunity-last-after-covid-19-what-we-knowYes BB. That's why you are ill-informed and posting stuff that is out of date.
Quote from: wilts rover on June 18, 2021, 01:15:18 pmQuote from: Bentley Bullet on June 18, 2021, 11:52:06 amAnd on top of that, those who recover from COVID-19 have immunity to the virus for at least 8 months and maybe longer. Immunity can occur naturally after developing COVID-19 or from getting the COVID-19 vaccination.Had you seen this report before posting BB? Previous covid infection may not offer long term protection new study on healthcare workers finds:https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/jun/17/previous-covid-infection-may-not-offer-long-term-protection-study-findsI don't read the Guardian. Wilts. It is a bag of shite. I got the info from here..https://www.healthline.com/health-news/how-long-does-immunity-last-after-covid-19-what-we-know