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bpoolrover

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Re: Coronavirus
« Reply #13920 on October 13, 2021, 05:42:49 pm by bpoolrover »
I wonder why it wasn't part of the winter plan to vaccinate under 16s when the decision was made to open up early to avoid an overload of the hospitals, especially as schools were going back.

It will be good to have a full inquiry with full powers as this inquiry has led to many more questions.

the government needed the jcvi to give there thoughts before making any such decision

And they couldn't ask them because ........................
thought you were going to stop being a knob that lasted long

serious question, look who's questioning a bipartisan report headed by the government with dumbass replies oh we don't know that my aunt fanny couldn't have done better, you're a self admitted WUM bp, true?
your a self admitted knob as your have said sorry for being, you ask why the government didn't ask jcvi could you show me proof please that they didn't ask them? I await a you asking me a question back and not supplying any proof as ever xxxx



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BillyStubbsTears

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« Reply #13921 on October 13, 2021, 06:40:15 pm by BillyStubbsTears »
To be fair to Corbyn, he was well ahead of the Govt at the start of the crisis.

On 13 March 2020, he called for the Govt to measures such as those in Italy and France - didn't have a name then but we later called it "lockdown".

On 14 March he called for the Govt to guarantee income of those who were isolating. Didn't have a name then but we later called it "furlough".

And this isn't a party political issue. At the same time, Jeremy Hunt was loudly saying he thought we were making a big mistake in not bringing in Italy-style measures.

The line that people are criticising only with hindsight is clearly wrong. There's two examples of the Govt being called out as wrong at the time.

And the claim that no one could have done any better is equally blown out of the water by those examples.

But if people want to excuse Johnson and his team, they will cling to those claims.

big fat yorkshire pudding

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Re: Coronavirus
« Reply #13922 on October 13, 2021, 06:56:35 pm by big fat yorkshire pudding »
Again it's easy to call for something when you don't have to deal with the ramifications and all the other moving parts. We all agree it was a difficult decision at the time so fixating on it seems a little harsh.

Bentley Bullet

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« Reply #13923 on October 13, 2021, 06:57:32 pm by Bentley Bullet »
To be fair to Corbyn, he was well ahead of the Govt at the start of the crisis.

On 13 March 2020, he called for the Govt to measures such as those in Italy and France - didn't have a name then but we later called it "lockdown".

On 14 March he called for the Govt to guarantee income of those who were isolating. Didn't have a name then but we later called it "furlough".

And this isn't a party political issue. At the same time, Jeremy Hunt was loudly saying he thought we were making a big mistake in not bringing in Italy-style measures.

The line that people are criticising only with hindsight is clearly wrong. There's two examples of the Govt being called out as wrong at the time.

And the claim that no one could have done any better is equally blown out of the water by those examples.

But if people want to excuse Johnson and his team, they will cling to those claims.
No government has ever got everything right, including this one. Therefore, people like you, who oppose EVERYTHING the government says and does will be right on the occasions the government is proved wrong (in hindsight) and will boast about it accordingly.


BillyStubbsTears

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« Reply #13924 on October 13, 2021, 07:54:51 pm by BillyStubbsTears »
And once again, a sensible discussion about the avoidable deaths of tens of thousands of people, and the avoidable loss of tens of billions of pounds of our wealth evaporates because BB wants to make it a personal fight. Like Groundhog Day all over again.

drfchound

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« Reply #13925 on October 13, 2021, 08:37:36 pm by drfchound »
BB isn’t making it a personal fight at all, he is simply making a valid point.

SydneyRover

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« Reply #13926 on October 13, 2021, 10:26:42 pm by SydneyRover »
I wonder why it wasn't part of the winter plan to vaccinate under 16s when the decision was made to open up early to avoid an overload of the hospitals, especially as schools were going back.

It will be good to have a full inquiry with full powers as this inquiry has led to many more questions.

the government needed the jcvi to give there thoughts before making any such decision

And they couldn't ask them because ........................
thought you were going to stop being a knob that lasted long

serious question, look who's questioning a bipartisan report headed by the government with dumbass replies oh we don't know that my aunt fanny couldn't have done better, you're a self admitted WUM bp, true?
your a self admitted knob as your have said sorry for being, you ask why the government didn't ask jcvi could you show me proof please that they didn't ask them? I await a you asking me a question back and not supplying any proof as ever xxxx

I'm sorry I can't help you with your comprehension bp, I said I would moderate my replies, I didn't say anything about suffering fools at all. You just keep on believing.

''Labour councils in England hit harder by austerity than Tory areas
Exclusive: analysis by Guardian and Sigoma shows poorer, Labour-held areas lost over a third of spending power''

https://www.theguardian.com/business/2020/jun/21/exclusive-labour-councils-in-england-hit-harder-by-austerity-than-tory-areas


Bentley Bullet

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Re: Coronavirus
« Reply #13927 on October 13, 2021, 10:40:12 pm by Bentley Bullet »
And once again, a sensible discussion about the avoidable deaths of tens of thousands of people, and the avoidable loss of tens of billions of pounds of our wealth evaporates because BB wants to make it a personal fight. Like Groundhog Day all over again.

The funny thing about getting older is your eyesight may weaken, but you can see through people's bullshit much better.

SydneyRover

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Re: Coronavirus
« Reply #13928 on October 13, 2021, 10:53:54 pm by SydneyRover »
And once again, a sensible discussion about the avoidable deaths of tens of thousands of people, and the avoidable loss of tens of billions of pounds of our wealth evaporates because BB wants to make it a personal fight. Like Groundhog Day all over again.

The funny thing about getting older is your eyesight may weaken, but you can see through people's bullshit much better.

I'm guessing you didn't read the report at all bb

SydneyRover

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Re: Coronavirus
« Reply #13929 on October 13, 2021, 11:12:10 pm by SydneyRover »
And once again, a sensible discussion about the avoidable deaths of tens of thousands of people, and the avoidable loss of tens of billions of pounds of our wealth evaporates because BB wants to make it a personal fight. Like Groundhog Day all over again.

The funny thing about getting older is your eyesight may weaken, but you can see through people's bullshit much better.

Life has it's challenges, some people stay the same for the whole of it.

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SydneyRover

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« Reply #13930 on October 14, 2021, 12:43:26 am by SydneyRover »
I wonder why it wasn't part of the winter plan to vaccinate under 16s when the decision was made to open up early to avoid an overload of the hospitals, especially as schools were going back.

It will be good to have a full inquiry with full powers as this inquiry has led to many more questions.

the government needed the jcvi to give there thoughts before making any such decision

And they couldn't ask them because ........................
thought you were going to stop being a knob that lasted long

serious question, look who's questioning a bipartisan report headed by the government with dumbass replies oh we don't know that my aunt fanny couldn't have done better, you're a self admitted WUM bp, true?
your a self admitted knob as your have said sorry for being, you ask why the government didn't ask jcvi could you show me proof please that they didn't ask them? I await a you asking me a question back and not supplying any proof as ever xxxx

I'm sorry I can't help you with your comprehension bp, I said I would moderate my replies, I didn't say anything about suffering fools at all. You just keep on believing.

''Labour councils in England hit harder by austerity than Tory areas
Exclusive: analysis by Guardian and Sigoma shows poorer, Labour-held areas lost over a third of spending power''

https://www.theguardian.com/business/2020/jun/21/exclusive-labour-councils-in-england-hit-harder-by-austerity-than-tory-areas

A little more:

The GFC, please advise if you know any people below the average wage that were trading junk bonds, we need to have a serious chat with them.

Labour did an excellent job in saving the economy.

The tory wanted their rightful place back at the head of the table and with the help of the mud slingers set about destroying labour's response to the gfc and gave the UK tada ......... Austerity, not only that and in response flack from their own councils they tilted the playing field to give councils run by tories a better deal.

Result, massive unrest with plenty not happy, except some don't appear to be able to join the dots, councils starved of funds especially labour councils by the central tory government ..........................

Levelling UP

Apparently it doesn't matter if those that live in labour council areas suffer a lower life expectancy I don't and I don't vote labour.

And anyway zero hours contract jobs are for other people.

Everyone is happy.


Nudga

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Re: Coronavirus
« Reply #13931 on October 14, 2021, 07:53:38 am by Nudga »
One rule for us plebs, one rule for lying, thieving bas**rds.


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bpoolrover

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« Reply #13932 on October 14, 2021, 04:21:29 pm by bpoolrover »
Numbers not very good this week hopefully it will be due to universities going back as the test numbers have gone up

BillyStubbsTears

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« Reply #13933 on October 14, 2021, 05:29:01 pm by BillyStubbsTears »
Numbers not very good this week hopefully it will be due to universities going back as the test numbers have gone up

Unfortunately I don't think that's the case Bpool. Most Universities went back 3+weeks ago. Daily test numbers are down nealy 10% since then, but positive cases have been going up steadily for 3 weeks now. And it's clearly not just young people who are now getting infected. Hopsitalisations and daily deaths have now definitely bottomed out and are both rising - and will almost certainly continue to do so at least for the rest of this month, because of the big rise in cases that we are still having, which will very likely lead to more hospitalisations and more deaths. This is still the consequence of not getting hold of the Delta outbreak in April and May. We've now accepted that something around 1000 avoidable deaths a week is acceptable for the foreseeable future.

TheFunk

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« Reply #13934 on October 14, 2021, 05:49:25 pm by TheFunk »
Where I live has today had the highest daily positive test total since the start of the pandemic. The number of people in hospital is at the same number as March.

bpoolrover

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« Reply #13935 on October 14, 2021, 06:02:41 pm by bpoolrover »
Numbers not very good this week hopefully it will be due to universities going back as the test numbers have gone up

Unfortunately I don't think that's the case Bpool. Most Universities went back 3+weeks ago. Daily test numbers are down nealy 10% since then, but positive cases have been going up steadily for 3 weeks now. And it's clearly not just young people who are now getting infected. Hopsitalisations and daily deaths have now definitely bottomed out and are both rising - and will almost certainly continue to do so at least for the rest of this month, because of the big rise in cases that we are still having, which will very likely lead to more hospitalisations and more deaths. This is still the consequence of not getting hold of the Delta outbreak in April and May. We've now accepted that something around 1000 avoidable deaths a week is acceptable for the foreseeable future.
my 2 daughters uni only went back 2 weeks ago but only started lessons less than a week ago, we don't know what the numbers are going to be as there has been many predictions before, the booster jabs will help as the over 60s is creeping up and the 12-15 jabs will help, without not staying on lockdown this was always going to happen, at our local hospitals the vast majority that are poorly woukd be in the same position if the caught the flu at the minute

BillyStubbsTears

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« Reply #13936 on October 14, 2021, 06:10:24 pm by BillyStubbsTears »
The number of positive tests in the entire country taken on Monday this week has only been exceeded on 14 days since the start of the pandemic.

It's starting to look rather worrying for the Winter. We had two choices back in early Summer:

1) Clamp down on the spread by keeping mild distancing and mask requirments, as they've done in most of western Europe. That would mean that, if the virus did start spreading more aggressively throughout the Winter, at least it would be starting from a low base, so you gain some time.

2) Let the virus spread during the Summer in the hope that we reach HI before the Winter comes, and COVID cases start to fall, taking pressure off the NHS before any Winter flu wave.

Obviously, we went for the latter. But there's still no sign of numbers falling. We are close to the level of positive cases we had in late July, before the schools broke up and helped break the spread. If I were betting on this, I'd expect there to be some additional distancing measures and work from home mandate come in before Xmas. Maybe sooner if the current increase in case numbers doesn't start to turn soon.

BillyStubbsTears

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« Reply #13937 on October 14, 2021, 06:24:15 pm by BillyStubbsTears »
Not sure what uni your kids are at Bpool, but barring Oxford and a few of the other very old Unis, most started teaching on 27 September. Certainly here in Sheffield students were rocking up (and socialising) a good bit before then.

Plus, most universities publish the number of confirmed cases among students and staff.

Here's a handful. No sign of any large outbreak at any of them.
https://www.sheffield.ac.uk/coronavirus/covid-19-statistics
https://www.manchester.ac.uk/coronavirus/cases/
https://www.bristol.ac.uk/coronavirus/statistics/
https://www.nottingham.ac.uk/coronavirus/covid-19-active-case-statistics.aspx

I suspect the high number of cases is the consequence of spreads in schools, which are now getting out into the wider community.


bpoolrover

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« Reply #13938 on October 14, 2021, 06:29:29 pm by bpoolrover »
Yes but we did test more than a million today so that is a hundred thousand more than were last week which again ties in with some uni going back, the kids are off for a week soon so hopefully that will bring the numbers down more

bpoolrover

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« Reply #13939 on October 14, 2021, 06:32:53 pm by bpoolrover »
Not sure what uni your kids are at Bpool, but barring Oxford and a few of the other very old Unis, most started teaching on 27 September. Certainly here in Sheffield students were rocking up (and socialising) a good bit before then.

Plus, most universities publish the number of confirmed cases among students and staff.

Here's a handful. No sign of any large outbreak at any of them.
https://www.sheffield.ac.uk/coronavirus/covid-19-statistics
https://www.manchester.ac.uk/coronavirus/cases/
https://www.bristol.ac.uk/coronavirus/statistics/
https://www.nottingham.ac.uk/coronavirus/covid-19-active-case-statistics.aspx

I suspect the high number of cases is the consequence of spreads in schools, which are now getting out into the wider community.
Lancaster uni, and yes I'm sure the kids are the main source but again there off in a week or 2 so that will help reduce the numbers, but as you say the government and many people have accepted that having high numbers but freedom is the way to go


bpoolrover

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« Reply #13940 on October 14, 2021, 06:36:47 pm by bpoolrover »
It's also a lot easier in some parts of Europe because of the weather, you can sit outside bars ect. As you don't get as weather as unpredictable there

BillyStubbsTears

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« Reply #13941 on October 14, 2021, 06:49:54 pm by BillyStubbsTears »
Yes but we did test more than a million today so that is a hundred thousand more than were last week which again ties in with some uni going back, the kids are off for a week soon so hopefully that will bring the numbers down more

Not quite right.

Today's reported numbers were the number of tests carried out YESTERDAY (13 Oct). That was 1.045 million.

A week earlier (6 Oct) the reported number of tests was 1.072 million.

A week before that (29 Sept) the number was 1.115 million.

So we are well down from any peak in tests associated with the majority of students returning to Uni.

bpoolrover

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Re: Coronavirus
« Reply #13942 on October 14, 2021, 07:31:56 pm by bpoolrover »
The seven day average thou on 6th October was 933k so was going off that

BillyStubbsTears

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« Reply #13943 on October 14, 2021, 08:25:07 pm by BillyStubbsTears »
But that's comparing one day against a seven day average.

bpoolrover

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« Reply #13944 on October 14, 2021, 09:52:44 pm by bpoolrover »
This week there has been over a million tests 3 times and it's the first time there has been over a million done since 27th September, might have nothing to do with it but you never know, the numbers I saw for 6th October were 990k
« Last Edit: October 14, 2021, 09:55:00 pm by bpoolrover »

BillyStubbsTears

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« Reply #13945 on October 14, 2021, 10:41:28 pm by BillyStubbsTears »
This week there has been over a million tests 3 times and it's the first time there has been over a million done since 27th September, might have nothing to do with it but you never know, the numbers I saw for 6th October were 990k

Not according to the official numbers.

https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/details/testing

bpoolrover

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« Reply #13946 on October 15, 2021, 06:29:12 am by bpoolrover »
This week there has been over a million tests 3 times and it's the first time there has been over a million done since 27th September, might have nothing to do with it but you never know, the numbers I saw for 6th October were 990k

Not according to the official numbers.

https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/details/testing
6th October total 990k?

Axholme Lion

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« Reply #13947 on October 15, 2021, 08:06:12 am by Axholme Lion »
I wonder why it wasn't part of the winter plan to vaccinate under 16s when the decision was made to open up early to avoid an overload of the hospitals, especially as schools were going back.

It will be good to have a full inquiry with full powers as this inquiry has led to many more questions.

the government needed the jcvi to give there thoughts before making any such decision

And they couldn't ask them because ........................
thought you were going to stop being a knob that lasted long

serious question, look who's questioning a bipartisan report headed by the government with dumbass replies oh we don't know that my aunt fanny couldn't have done better, you're a self admitted WUM bp, true?
your a self admitted knob as your have said sorry for being, you ask why the government didn't ask jcvi could you show me proof please that they didn't ask them? I await a you asking me a question back and not supplying any proof as ever xxxx

I'm sorry I can't help you with your comprehension bp, I said I would moderate my replies, I didn't say anything about suffering fools at all. You just keep on believing.

''Labour councils in England hit harder by austerity than Tory areas
Exclusive: analysis by Guardian and Sigoma shows poorer, Labour-held areas lost over a third of spending power''

https://www.theguardian.com/business/2020/jun/21/exclusive-labour-councils-in-england-hit-harder-by-austerity-than-tory-areas

Maybe on average more people on benefits vote Labour and therefore get a Labour council?

big fat yorkshire pudding

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« Reply #13948 on October 15, 2021, 09:28:11 am by big fat yorkshire pudding »
The slight uptick in cases is a worry, the question is what rate that growth continues or stops.

Of course the 2 week half term in Doncaster starts this weekend so that should naturally help.  I see the point on masks, does that need government to mandate it?  We all have a choice and are aware of the facts so are all aware of the risks.  Indeed how many of us will wear one at the game tomorrow?

BillyStubbsTears

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« Reply #13949 on October 15, 2021, 10:23:13 am by BillyStubbsTears »
This week there has been over a million tests 3 times and it's the first time there has been over a million done since 27th September, might have nothing to do with it but you never know, the numbers I saw for 6th October were 990k

Not according to the official numbers.

https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/details/testing
6th October total 990k?

Look at the official numbers.

1) We haven't had 1M+ tests on 3 days this week.
2) Numbers for 6 Oct were 1.072M.

 

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