Coronavirus

[Ldr]

Ldr.
This was the webpage where I saw that graph.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-59853621

That was published at about 17:30 on 3 January. The data in that graph was then 5 days out of date (not 4, my mistake - corrected).

When this hoo haa kicked off, I even posted that weblink to demonstrate the point.

https://www.drfc-vsc.co.uk/index.php?topic=275849.msg1123073#msg1123073

The graph that I posted the link to was published by the BBC in a webpage at about 17:30 on 3 January. That is a matter of unarguable objective truth. If it was also in another webpage that was published a few days before that, that doesn't in any way change the objective truth of the previous statement.  It is actually frightening that you and others don't see that. But you appear to be so utterly determined, as Belton is, to have your belief that I'm a liar confirmed, that you lose the ability to think straight.

As for "the published date cropped off", there was no published date on the original of the graph that I posted the link to. I posted the link to the image that was embdedded in the original BBC post. I genuinely haven't got a clue what the f**k you are banging on about.

I realise this is pointless because you have decided that I'm a liar who deliberately wishes to mislead, but I am telling you that you are categorically and totally wrong.

That’s fair enough then and I am happy to be corrected

[turnbull for england]

This is a perfect example of what I was talking about in another thread earlier this week. Certain people, two of whom I am doing my level best to ignore, coming to the discussion with an absolute certainty that other people are acting in bad faith. And as a result, over and over again they are reading into other people's posts the very worst of interpretations. It's got to stop folks. It is utterly corrosive to any civilised discussion.

You still don’t get this ‘ignoring’ lark, do you Billy. You don’t get to decide who responds to your posts, not on this forum.

Now, of course, you play the innocent victim who only wants civilised discussion.

What utter poppycock.

This from a bloke who tacitly implied that    based on no evidence whatsoever another poster had a duty of care over someones illness and that they should have done something about it , and just shrugged it of when proven wrong and imho bang out of order . You want to try a look in a mirror

[BillyStubbsTears]

Thanks Ldr, I genuinely appreciate that response.

I am ALWAYS happy to correct anything I post on here that is wrong. I honestly do not ever deliberately post anything with the intention of misleading.

[belton rover]

Belton
Hound
Bentley
Ldr
Nudga
et al
You're having a lovely time goading BST just because he calls you out for some of the stuff you often post on here, and by providing reasoned argument and evidence for why he calls you out, you gang together and resort to the only tactic left, ridicule and abuse.
If he posted the correct lottery results for several weeks in a row you'd still say he's wrong.
Nothing to do with anything other than a personal vendetta, started by BB and jumped on by the rest of you.
As I said you ought to be ashamed.
Grow up.

The lottery anecdote sums it up perfectly.
Billy is so far down the line with his relentless bias based on his unhealthy obsession with all things Tory, that even if he did occasionally write things that are unbiased and absolute fact, more and more on here would think twice before accepting what he says as the truth.

Now that’s not the fault of others, that lays absolutely at his door for the relentless hatred for anything or anyone he disagrees with politically.

And every single time he is brought to task on the things HE HAS WRITTEN, he then dismisses it, citing misrepresentation, immaturity, vindictiveness or anything else he can use in an attempt to put the blame on anyone but himself.

And you, Tommy, are still falling for it.

And as for ‘ganging’ up on him. It’s not that at all. It’s simply that more and more people have had enough it, and are beginning to speak out - either literally, or in a more subtle way by not posting at all.

[normal rules]

Italy have just made it law that if you are over 50, vaccination is mandatory or face sanctions Including fines and being barred from going to work.
Jesus.

[belton rover]

This is a perfect example of what I was talking about in another thread earlier this week. Certain people, two of whom I am doing my level best to ignore, coming to the discussion with an absolute certainty that other people are acting in bad faith. And as a result, over and over again they are reading into other people's posts the very worst of interpretations. It's got to stop folks. It is utterly corrosive to any civilised discussion.

You still don’t get this ‘ignoring’ lark, do you Billy. You don’t get to decide who responds to your posts, not on this forum.

Now, of course, you play the innocent victim who only wants civilised discussion.

What utter poppycock.

This from a bloke who tacitly implied that    based on no evidence whatsoever another poster had a duty of care over someones illness and that they should have done something about it , and just shrugged it of when proven wrong and imho bang out of order . You want to try a look in a mirror

That poor woman should have been supported by her employer, Turnbull. If I had have meant Billy regardless of whether or not he was her employer, I’d have said Billy. You are accusing me of doing exactly what Billy denies ever doing to anyone.

[turnbull for england]

And to bring Biffa Bacon back into it 'hadawaynshite'

[belton rover]

And to bring Biffa Bacon back into it 'hadawaynshite'

A completely different post for a completely different poster.
That was to Sydney after he (this is Sydney, remember) accused ME of being a troll.

Absolutely NOTHING to do with Billy or his cleaner.

[turnbull for england]

No such thing as a cheap shot I seem to remember

[belton rover]

Exactly right. A shot’s a shot.
Your Biffa response was OK, but easily saved.

[Filo]

Belton
Hound
Bentley
Ldr
Nudga
et al
You're having a lovely time goading BST just because he calls you out for some of the stuff you often post on here, and by providing reasoned argument and evidence for why he calls you out, you gang together and resort to the only tactic left, ridicule and abuse.
If he posted the correct lottery results for several weeks in a row you'd still say he's wrong.
Nothing to do with anything other than a personal vendetta, started by BB and jumped on by the rest of you.
As I said you ought to be ashamed.
Grow up.

It’s online bullying, I’m glad I’m not the only one that can see it, it’s been happening for a long while now, I’m surprised the mods have let this ride, unless they are the mods

[drfchound]

Filo, is it also online bullying when several Labour supporters attack a poster who isn’t on their team?
Just asking for a friend.

[belton rover]

Belton
Hound
Bentley
Ldr
Nudga
et al
You're having a lovely time goading BST just because he calls you out for some of the stuff you often post on here, and by providing reasoned argument and evidence for why he calls you out, you gang together and resort to the only tactic left, ridicule and abuse.
If he posted the correct lottery results for several weeks in a row you'd still say he's wrong.
Nothing to do with anything other than a personal vendetta, started by BB and jumped on by the rest of you.
As I said you ought to be ashamed.
Grow up.

It’s online bullying, I’m glad I’m not the only one that can see it, it’s been happening for a long while now, I’m surprised the mods have let this ride, unless they are the mods

Or that you don’t know what bullying is.

[tommy toes]

Belton
Hound
Bentley
Ldr
Nudga
et al
You're having a lovely time goading BST just because he calls you out for some of the stuff you often post on here, and by providing reasoned argument and evidence for why he calls you out, you gang together and resort to the only tactic left, ridicule and abuse.
If he posted the correct lottery results for several weeks in a row you'd still say he's wrong.
Nothing to do with anything other than a personal vendetta, started by BB and jumped on by the rest of you.
As I said you ought to be ashamed.
Grow up.

The lottery anecdote sums it up perfectly.
Billy is so far down the line with his relentless bias based on his unhealthy obsession with all things Tory, that even if he did occasionally write things that are unbiased and absolute fact, more and more on here would think twice before accepting what he says as the truth.

Now that’s not the fault of others, that lays absolutely at his door for the relentless hatred for anything or anyone he disagrees with politically.

And every single time he is brought to task on the things HE HAS WRITTEN, he then dismisses it, citing misrepresentation, immaturity, vindictiveness or anything else he can use in an attempt to put the blame on anyone but himself.

And you, Tommy, are still falling for it.

And as for ‘ganging’ up on him. It’s not that at all. It’s simply that more and more people have had enough it, and are beginning to speak out - either literally, or in a more subtle way by not posting at all.

Where do I start witht this?

I tend not get involved anymore as I've said before. I can't be arsed with all the hassle.
But I read the various topics with as much as an open mind as I can.

BST's posts tend to provide links and evidence to back up what he is saying, links that are often impartial, and give credence to his points.

Don't know if you read them.

What I see from his detractors is usually ill informed naysaying, with no evidence at all, followed by personal abuse because he's shown them, by evidence, to be wrong; and in some cases damaged their over inflated egos.
I've seen him apologise on the few occasions he has been wrong and defend himself vigorously when he's not.
This Covid topic has many facets,
some political,some not and he has  praised the Tories when they've got something right.
As for posters not posting as often, in my case, and in others I know of, it's because of the likes of you.

[belton rover]

Belton
Hound
Bentley
Ldr
Nudga
et al
You're having a lovely time goading BST just because he calls you out for some of the stuff you often post on here, and by providing reasoned argument and evidence for why he calls you out, you gang together and resort to the only tactic left, ridicule and abuse.
If he posted the correct lottery results for several weeks in a row you'd still say he's wrong.
Nothing to do with anything other than a personal vendetta, started by BB and jumped on by the rest of you.
As I said you ought to be ashamed.
Grow up.

The lottery anecdote sums it up perfectly.
Billy is so far down the line with his relentless bias based on his unhealthy obsession with all things Tory, that even if he did occasionally write things that are unbiased and absolute fact, more and more on here would think twice before accepting what he says as the truth.

Now that’s not the fault of others, that lays absolutely at his door for the relentless hatred for anything or anyone he disagrees with politically.

And every single time he is brought to task on the things HE HAS WRITTEN, he then dismisses it, citing misrepresentation, immaturity, vindictiveness or anything else he can use in an attempt to put the blame on anyone but himself.

And you, Tommy, are still falling for it.

And as for ‘ganging’ up on him. It’s not that at all. It’s simply that more and more people have had enough it, and are beginning to speak out - either literally, or in a more subtle way by not posting at all.

Where do I start witht this?

I tend not get involved anymore as I've said before. I can't be arsed with all the hassle.
But I read the various topics with as much as an open mind as I can.

BST's posts tend to provide links and evidence to back up what he is saying, links that are often impartial, and give credence to his points.

Don't know if you read them.

What I see from his detractors is usually ill informed naysaying, with no evidence at all, followed by personal abuse because he's shown them, by evidence, to be wrong; and in some cases damaged their over inflated egos.
I've seen him apologise on the few occasions he has been wrong and defend himself vigorously when he's not.
This Covid topic has many facets,
some political,some not and he has  praised the Tories when they've got something right.
As for posters not posting as often, in my case, and in others I know of, it's because of the likes of you.

So we disagree, Tommy.
I respect that because I have found your posts in the past interesting, insightful and respectful.
It’s a shame you decided to take a step back, and it bothers me that you feel I am responsible for that.

Let me ask you a question:
When you did post more regularly on here, how often did you show that you disagreed with Billy?

[normal rules]

Not seen CDH on here for some time. I wonder if he is ok? Genuinely.

[Bentley Bullet]

TT, if you think BST's posts are impartial then we have a different understanding of the truth.

If you think BST is not guilty of giving out personal abuse, then again we have a different understanding of the truth.

[BillyStubbsTears]

BB
I've said before and I'll say again, I have a policy which I try to stick to of never being abusive unless someone has a pop at me. The last time I had a go at you was in direct response to you accusing me of wanting to make party political points out of people dying of COVID. I called you an utter bell end for saying that, and I stick by it. Your post was another classic of the sort that people post when they assume the worst of others.

[roversdude]

Don’t worry -  now that we’ve taken back control there’s no way it will get in to the UK.

Not without filling in a shed load of paperwork first anyway.

Or it could jump in a dinghy

[Bentley Bullet]

BST, I write my posts and you invariably criticise them for one reason or another. You write your posts and I criticise them usually because of the way you present them.

If you have not made party political points out of this COVID pandemic I'll eat my Rovers hat.

[BillyStubbsTears]

Go on BB.


Here was my post. and your response underneath it.
https://www.drfc-vsc.co.uk/index.php?topic=275849.msg1118299#msg1118299

No comment from you on the substantive point. Just  a political dig.

[Nudga]

Belton
Hound
Bentley
Ldr
Nudga
et al
You're having a lovely time goading BST just because he calls you out for some of the stuff you often post on here, and by providing reasoned argument and evidence for why he calls you out, you gang together and resort to the only tactic left, ridicule and abuse.
If he posted the correct lottery results for several weeks in a row you'd still say he's wrong.
Nothing to do with anything other than a personal vendetta, started by BB and jumped on by the rest of you.
As I said you ought to be ashamed.
Grow up.

It’s online bullying, I’m glad I’m not the only one that can see it, it’s been happening for a long while now, I’m surprised the mods have let this ride, unless they are the mods

I've been accused and ridiculed for being an anti vaxxer, right wing, left wing, conspiracy theorist, disgusting and dangerous. I've had the lazy Bill Gates, 5g, microchip piss take levelled at me almost weekly, and by the same group of people.
I've posted links to the lies and data manipulation but it doesn't get debated or debunked, it has been swept under the forum carpet.

[Filo]

Belton
Hound
Bentley
Ldr
Nudga
et al
You're having a lovely time goading BST just because he calls you out for some of the stuff you often post on here, and by providing reasoned argument and evidence for why he calls you out, you gang together and resort to the only tactic left, ridicule and abuse.
If he posted the correct lottery results for several weeks in a row you'd still say he's wrong.
Nothing to do with anything other than a personal vendetta, started by BB and jumped on by the rest of you.
As I said you ought to be ashamed.
Grow up.

It’s online bullying, I’m glad I’m not the only one that can see it, it’s been happening for a long while now, I’m surprised the mods have let this ride, unless they are the mods

Or that you don’t know what bullying is.

I certainly do, I think that question can be asked of you and the rest of the gang

[tommy toes]

Belton
Hound
Bentley
Ldr
Nudga
et al
You're having a lovely time goading BST just because he calls you out for some of the stuff you often post on here, and by providing reasoned argument and evidence for why he calls you out, you gang together and resort to the only tactic left, ridicule and abuse.
If he posted the correct lottery results for several weeks in a row you'd still say he's wrong.
Nothing to do with anything other than a personal vendetta, started by BB and jumped on by the rest of you.
As I said you ought to be ashamed.
Grow up.

The lottery anecdote sums it up perfectly.
Billy is so far down the line with his relentless bias based on his unhealthy obsession with all things Tory, that even if he did occasionally write things that are unbiased and absolute fact, more and more on here would think twice before accepting what he says as the truth.

Now that’s not the fault of others, that lays absolutely at his door for the relentless hatred for anything or anyone he disagrees with politically.

And every single time he is brought to task on the things HE HAS WRITTEN, he then dismisses it, citing misrepresentation, immaturity, vindictiveness or anything else he can use in an attempt to put the blame on anyone but himself.

And you, Tommy, are still falling for it.

And as for ‘ganging’ up on him. It’s not that at all. It’s simply that more and more people have had enough it, and are beginning to speak out - either literally, or in a more subtle way by not posting at all.

Where do I start witht this?

I tend not get involved anymore as I've said before. I can't be arsed with all the hassle.
But I read the various topics with as much as an open mind as I can.

BST's posts tend to provide links and evidence to back up what he is saying, links that are often impartial, and give credence to his points.

Don't know if you read them.

What I see from his detractors is usually ill informed naysaying, with no evidence at all, followed by personal abuse because he's shown them, by evidence, to be wrong; and in some cases damaged their over inflated egos.
I've seen him apologise on the few occasions he has been wrong and defend himself vigorously when he's not.
This Covid topic has many facets,
some political,some not and he has  praised the Tories when they've got something right.
As for posters not posting as often, in my case, and in others I know of, it's because of the likes of you.

So we disagree, Tommy.
I respect that because I have found your posts in the past interesting, insightful and respectful.
It’s a shame you decided to take a step back, and it bothers me that you feel I am responsible for that.

Let me ask you a question:
When you did post more regularly on here, how often did you show that you disagreed with Billy?

I noticed a thread about referees on the main forum. I posted on that 11 years ago.
I suppose over the last two or three years I've stopped posting regularly.

I recall BST having a go at me about some jokes I posted ages ago.
I pulled him up about it. He apologised.

As for disagreeing with him, it's hard when you have so little to disagree about.

[Bentley Bullet]

Go on BB.


Here was my post. and your response underneath it.
https://www.drfc-vsc.co.uk/index.php?topic=275849.msg1118299#msg1118299

No comment from you on the substantive point. Just  a political dig.

BST, I posted the only comment I wanted to post and I stand by it. Why else would you always post negatively regarding the pandemic other than to blame the government? What other point would there be unless it is to depress your readers?

[tommy toes]

TT, if you think BST's posts are impartial then we have a different understanding of the truth.

If you think BST is not guilty of giving out personal abuse, then again we have a different understanding of the truth.

I didn't say his posts were impartial, I said some of his sources were.
He's a commited critic of this disgraceful government and rightly so in my eyes, if not yours.

Yes he's been abusive to you in the past, but Christ you'd try the patience of a Saint

[Colin C No.3]

And to bring Biffa Bacon back into it 'hadawaynshite'

A completely different post for a completely different poster.
That was to Sydney after he (this is Sydney, remember) accused ME of being a troll.

Absolutely NOTHING to do with Billy or his cleaner.

“That poor woman should have been supported by her employer……..”

“If I had meant Billy………….I’d have said Billy”.

Haven’t you just done so by cleverly (or perhaps not so cleverly) alluded to as much with your cack handed, or I suspect deliberately intended, ambiguous final paragraph ending with
“…his cleaner”?

F***ing pathetic.

[Bentley Bullet]

But you would say that TT because you also are anti-government!

BST has blamed the government for every predicament throughout this pandemic and used any suitable graph or storyline he could find to suit his anti-government agenda.

He would absolutely not have done that if a Labour government had been in power under the exact same circumstances.

[Axholme Lion]

But you would say that TT because you also are anti-government!

BST has blamed the government for every predicament throughout this pandemic and used any suitable graph or storyline he could find to suit his anti-government agenda.

He would absolutely not have done that if a Labour government had been in power under the exact same circumstances.

Also if anyone quotes another source or expert opinion they are derided as cranks and nut jobs even if they are scientists or doctors. Evidence is only permitted if it fits in with the agenda.

[BillyStubbsTears]

AL

I have never, once, called any scientist a "crank" without having clear evidence as to why they shouldn't be trusted.

And that doesn't mean evidence that they once said something I didn't like. It means that they have a track record of getting predictions wrong, rinsing and repeating, or that they have been proven to be fraudulent.

The classic one is Carl Heneghan. He's a Cambridge Professor of medicine and you'd think he would be trustworthy.

But he's made mistake after mistake and never once held is hand up.

The worst one was a shocking misrepresentation of a report from Denmark into the effect of masks on reducing the spread of COVID. The report authors specifically said that their report must not be interpreted as saying that masks didn't reduce the spread. Heneghan wrote a press article saying that it did say that (no alternative analysis of the data, he just said it did). When this caused an outcry and led to Facebook flagging up his comments as misinformation, he then went on a rant about closing down scientific debate.

More recently, at the start of the Omicron wave, there was a brief dip in the daily infection numbers in mid December. he immediately tweeted "Keep your eye on the 15th of December number". 15th of December was the date that the numbers briefly peaked. At 103,000. Heneghan was clearly indicating that this was as bad as it was going to get. But he's not uttered a word about the fact within a fortnight there were nearly 250,000 cases in one day.

He did it back in October 2020, after he'd been one of the team who was wheeled in to convince Johnson to delay lockdown. He tweeted a graph of out of date data, saying "No sign of a second wave." Within three weeks, the daily rate of new cases had gone up by a factor of ten and he said not a word.

THAT is the type of scientist that deserved to be assumed to be wrong, because he has been wrong regulary, and never reflects on it.