Coronavirus

[tommy toes]

But you would say that TT because you also are anti-government!

BST has blamed the government for every predicament throughout this pandemic and used any suitable graph or storyline he could find to suit his anti-government agenda.

He would absolutely not have done that if a Labour government had been in power under the exact same circumstances.

How you, or anyone else can continue to support Johnson and his crowd of self serving nincompoops is beyond me.
They've made such a complete balls up of almost everything (including their approach to Covid)  that Labour, despite not doing much and having a leader with a charisma bypass, are now leading in the polls.
Says a lot about the electorate that despite all the cock ups Boris was teflon pants until the crap about last year's Christmas parties emerged.

I'd hope that whoever was in power me and BST or anyone else, would criticise them for lying, misleading and treating us like idiots

[Bentley Bullet]

Whoever is in power I accept the result that got them there and above all, I support my country.

We are now a country half full of bad losers, and BST, plus a handful of his disciples show themselves on this forum as part of their number.

If you want to follow and support that sort of attitude then poor you.

[selby]

  Did you criticise when Blair was in power and selling his electorate down the river TT? or have you just started?

[belton rover]

Belton
Hound
Bentley
Ldr
Nudga
et al
You're having a lovely time goading BST just because he calls you out for some of the stuff you often post on here, and by providing reasoned argument and evidence for why he calls you out, you gang together and resort to the only tactic left, ridicule and abuse.
If he posted the correct lottery results for several weeks in a row you'd still say he's wrong.
Nothing to do with anything other than a personal vendetta, started by BB and jumped on by the rest of you.
As I said you ought to be ashamed.
Grow up.

The lottery anecdote sums it up perfectly.
Billy is so far down the line with his relentless bias based on his unhealthy obsession with all things Tory, that even if he did occasionally write things that are unbiased and absolute fact, more and more on here would think twice before accepting what he says as the truth.

Now that’s not the fault of others, that lays absolutely at his door for the relentless hatred for anything or anyone he disagrees with politically.

And every single time he is brought to task on the things HE HAS WRITTEN, he then dismisses it, citing misrepresentation, immaturity, vindictiveness or anything else he can use in an attempt to put the blame on anyone but himself.

And you, Tommy, are still falling for it.

And as for ‘ganging’ up on him. It’s not that at all. It’s simply that more and more people have had enough it, and are beginning to speak out - either literally, or in a more subtle way by not posting at all.

Where do I start witht this?

I tend not get involved anymore as I've said before. I can't be arsed with all the hassle.
But I read the various topics with as much as an open mind as I can.

BST's posts tend to provide links and evidence to back up what he is saying, links that are often impartial, and give credence to his points.

Don't know if you read them.

What I see from his detractors is usually ill informed naysaying, with no evidence at all, followed by personal abuse because he's shown them, by evidence, to be wrong; and in some cases damaged their over inflated egos.
I've seen him apologise on the few occasions he has been wrong and defend himself vigorously when he's not.
This Covid topic has many facets,
some political,some not and he has  praised the Tories when they've got something right.
As for posters not posting as often, in my case, and in others I know of, it's because of the likes of you.

So we disagree, Tommy.
I respect that because I have found your posts in the past interesting, insightful and respectful.
It’s a shame you decided to take a step back, and it bothers me that you feel I am responsible for that.

Let me ask you a question:
When you did post more regularly on here, how often did you show that you disagreed with Billy?

I noticed a thread about referees on the main forum. I posted on that 11 years ago.
I suppose over the last two or three years I've stopped posting regularly.

I recall BST having a go at me about some jokes I posted ages ago.
I pulled him up about it. He apologised.

As for disagreeing with him, it's hard when you have so little to disagree about.

My point is that if you did vocally disagree with many of his political beliefs and ideology, as many people do and are entitled to do so, and he failed to make you come round to his way of thinking, then you would suffer the same condescending, belittling nastiness that many others suffer.

[belton rover]

And to bring Biffa Bacon back into it 'hadawaynshite'

A completely different post for a completely different poster.
That was to Sydney after he (this is Sydney, remember) accused ME of being a troll.

Absolutely NOTHING to do with Billy or his cleaner.

“That poor woman should have been supported by her employer……..”

“If I had meant Billy………….I’d have said Billy”.

Haven’t you just done so by cleverly (or perhaps not so cleverly) alluded to as much with your cack handed, or I suspect deliberately intended, ambiguous final paragraph ending with
“…his cleaner”?

F***ing pathetic.

From Billy:
‘And I spoke with our cleaner who was off with COVID before Xmas. Mid 40s. Fit and healthy. Anti-vaxxer.’

Our cleaner, his cleaner.

What’s your point again?

[tommy toes]

  Did you criticise when Blair was in power and selling his electorate down the river TT? or have you just started?

What's this?
Explain how they sold the electorate down the river.
All I can recall is good basic democratic socialist policies that raised millions out of the poverty trap, until things were taken out of their hands following the global crash.

Gordon Brown was a genius. If we'd listened to him in 2010 instead of Osborne, we'd be in a better place now

[Metalmicky]

179k cases and 231 deaths today

[normal rules]

179k cases and 231 deaths today

Looking at the seven-day averages behind the figures, cases are up 29.3%, deaths up 56.1% and hospital admissions up 64.7%
Let’s hope this trend does not continue.

[tommy toes]

Belton

Your feelings of being belittled are yours to own.

I've seen you give as good as you get many times

I certainly don't expect anyone to change their fundamental values and beliefs, because they are entrenched, but for good debate they have to be examined and that can be unsettling and hurtful.

[BillyStubbsTears]

179k cases and 231 deaths today

A lot of that is still catching up late deaths reports over the holiday period, but when you look at the deaths by date of death figures, there's definitely been an increase.

There is a very clear story, as there has been throughout the epidemic

The seven day average for new cases started to increase rapidly from about 6 December. 9-10 days later, new hospital cases started to rise noticeably. 9-10 days after THAT, deaths started to rise.

It's been that way almost without exception in every wave. What we don't yet know is whether the deaths will rise as sharply as the new cases and hospitalisations have done. There's reasons to think they won't, but we won't know for sure for another few days.

[BillyStubbsTears]

Belton
Hound
Bentley
Ldr
Nudga
et al
You're having a lovely time goading BST just because he calls you out for some of the stuff you often post on here, and by providing reasoned argument and evidence for why he calls you out, you gang together and resort to the only tactic left, ridicule and abuse.
If he posted the correct lottery results for several weeks in a row you'd still say he's wrong.
Nothing to do with anything other than a personal vendetta, started by BB and jumped on by the rest of you.
As I said you ought to be ashamed.
Grow up.

It’s online bullying, I’m glad I’m not the only one that can see it, it’s been happening for a long while now, I’m surprised the mods have let this ride, unless they are the mods

I've been accused and ridiculed for being an anti vaxxer, right wing, left wing, conspiracy theorist, disgusting and dangerous. I've had the lazy Bill Gates, 5g, microchip piss take levelled at me almost weekly, and by the same group of people.
I've posted links to the lies and data manipulation but it doesn't get debated or debunked, it has been swept under the forum carpet.

For the record, I don't care too much whether anything aimed at me is classified as "bullying". And I certainly don't think anything you say Nudga comes remotely into that category. You believe certain things that I profoundly disagree with and we both tell each other that in words of one syllable.

What I will say is that I personally got exhausted with your habit of uncritically posting stuff from known misinformation sources or discredited scientists, and when it was pointed out that these sources weren't trustworthy, you'd just move onto the next one. That's why I've, for the most part, stopped responding.

But that's a different scale of annoyance to my issues with some others in here, who are utterly determined to convince themselves and anyone who will listen that I am deliberately lying and deceiving. Again, I don't consider that to be bullying. It's quite pitiful to be honest because it comes from an attitude that refuses to take anything on face value and always looks for the worst possible interpretation. I can't understand what it must be like to live like that. But I'll admit, it narks me because it is a poisonous attitude. Which is why I do my level best to ignore it.

[belton rover]

Belton

Your feelings of being belittled are yours to own.

I've seen you give as good as you get many times

I certainly don't expect anyone to change their fundamental values and beliefs, because they are entrenched, but for good debate they have to be examined and that can be unsettling and hurtful.

I didn’t say I felt belittled. You are falling into the trap of making assumptions. If one uses phrases to belittle, those phrases don’t necessarily belittle the recipient.

It’s the intent.

And with regard to giving as good as I get:

Hallelujah!

So why do you only have a problem with me and ‘mine’?

[tommy toes]

So how do you know the comments are belittling if you don't feel belittled?
Who was belittled then?
You then are assuming that others are being belittled by comments that don't belittle you.

[Colin C No.3]

And to bring Biffa Bacon back into it 'hadawaynshite'

A completely different post for a completely different poster.
That was to Sydney after he (this is Sydney, remember) accused ME of being a troll.

Absolutely NOTHING to do with Billy or his cleaner.

“That poor woman should have been supported by her employer……..”

“If I had meant Billy………….I’d have said Billy”.

Haven’t you just done so by cleverly (or perhaps not so cleverly) alluded to as much with your cack handed, or I suspect deliberately intended, ambiguous final paragraph ending with
“…his cleaner”?

F***ing pathetic.

From Billy:
‘And I spoke with our cleaner who was off with COVID before Xmas. Mid 40s. Fit and healthy. Anti-vaxxer.’

Our cleaner, his cleaner.

What’s your point again?

Man, you’re like a pane of glass.

[ravenrover]

But you would say that TT because you also are anti-government!

BST has blamed the government for every predicament throughout this pandemic and used any suitable graph or storyline he could find to suit his anti-government agenda.

He would absolutely not have done that if a Labour government had been in power under the exact same circumstances.

BB if not the Government then who is to blame?

[Bentley Bullet]

RR.  Who is to blame for what?

[wilts rover]

179k cases and 231 deaths today

Apologies for continuing to talk about the thread topic on a thread that has diverted widely off it.

569 children under 5 admitted to hospital in England in the past week - highest yet in the entire pandemic. These will be included in the unvaccinated figures of course.

I hope they know what they are doing but I remain to be convinced.

https://twitter.com/Antonio_Caramia/status/1479053455213928453

[Bentley Bullet]

Were they admitted because they had Covid?

[BillyStubbsTears]

BB. I don't think there's any data source that splits hospitalisations by both "with" and "for" COVID, AND by age.

Instinctively, I'd be astonished if the majority of those were FOR cases. There's so much COVID out there at the moment that many kids being hospitalised for other things must have it already and there's no previous example of remotely this many kids being hospitalised because of a COVID infection.

[Nudga]

Belton
Hound
Bentley
Ldr
Nudga
et al
You're having a lovely time goading BST just because he calls you out for some of the stuff you often post on here, and by providing reasoned argument and evidence for why he calls you out, you gang together and resort to the only tactic left, ridicule and abuse.
If he posted the correct lottery results for several weeks in a row you'd still say he's wrong.
Nothing to do with anything other than a personal vendetta, started by BB and jumped on by the rest of you.
As I said you ought to be ashamed.
Grow up.

It’s online bullying, I’m glad I’m not the only one that can see it, it’s been happening for a long while now, I’m surprised the mods have let this ride, unless they are the mods

I've been accused and ridiculed for being an anti vaxxer, right wing, left wing, conspiracy theorist, disgusting and dangerous. I've had the lazy Bill Gates, 5g, microchip piss take levelled at me almost weekly, and by the same group of people.
I've posted links to the lies and data manipulation but it doesn't get debated or debunked, it has been swept under the forum carpet.

For the record, I don't care too much whether anything aimed at me is classified as "bullying". And I certainly don't think anything you say Nudga comes remotely into that category. You believe certain things that I profoundly disagree with and we both tell each other that in words of one syllable.

What I will say is that I personally got exhausted with your habit of uncritically posting stuff from known misinformation sources or discredited scientists, and when it was pointed out that these sources weren't trustworthy, you'd just move onto the next one. That's why I've, for the most part, stopped responding.

But that's a different scale of annoyance to my issues with some others in here, who are utterly determined to convince themselves and anyone who will listen that I am deliberately lying and deceiving. Again, I don't consider that to be bullying. It's quite pitiful to be honest because it comes from an attitude that refuses to take anything on face value and always looks for the worst possible interpretation. I can't understand what it must be like to live like that. But I'll admit, it narks me because it is a poisonous attitude. Which is why I do my level best to ignore it.

BST, I posted last month about the NHS boss bitch lying on TV and also the ONS being naughty with the data. I believe you danced around that and swiftly moved on.
Maybe you're right about Heneghan, but for every Heneghan there's a Ferguson, who was supposed to have been sacked BTW.
And don't get me started on BJ, Zahawi, Hancock, Jabid Savage etc

[River Don]

Whoever is in power I accept the result that got them there and above all, I support my country.

We are now a country half full of bad losers, and BST, plus a handful of his disciples show themselves on this forum as part of their number.

If you want to follow and support that sort of attitude then poor you.

I am fairly patriotic and accept democratic results but I've never equated patriotism with unquestioning support of whichever government happens to be in power.

In fact I'd say a particularly strong characteristic of British democracy is the widespread belief that whichever party is in power, they are likely to be incompitent. Satire never goes out of fashion in the UK and we're much better off for it.

[Bentley Bullet]

RD, satire is fine, as is having an opinion, but absolute hatred of losing and demanding re-votes etc puts a completely new twist on things. Supporting a political party used to mean preaching the virtues of that party not how shit the opposition is.

[belton rover]

So how do you know the comments are belittling if you don't feel belittled?
Who was belittled then?
You then are assuming that others are being belittled by comments that don't belittle you.

There’s no wonder Billy had a go at your jokes.

Also, I’m repeating this because I added it to a post after you commented and may have missed it:
In response to you saying I give as good as I get:

‘And with regard to giving as good as I get:

Hallelujah!

So why do you only have a problem with me and ‘mine’?’

[wilts rover]

Were they admitted because they had Covid?

What does it say on the link?

[Bentley Bullet]

Were they admitted because they had Covid?

What does it say on the link?

I'm more of a face on facebook, I don't do Twitter, It's for twits.

[selby]

  TT, he totally ignored the labour heartlands when in power closed industry down and did nothing to protect the standard of living  of  the working man with alternative work opportunities, threw the armed forces under a bus following the USA on their crusades, A true socialist until someone else's money ran out while he and his family lined their own pockets.

[tommy toes]

So how do you know the comments are belittling if you don't feel belittled?
Who was belittled then?
You then are assuming that others are being belittled by comments that don't belittle you.

There’s no wonder Billy had a go at your jokes.

Also, I’m repeating this because I added it to a post after you commented and may have missed it:
In response to you saying I give as good as I get:

‘And with regard to giving as good as I get:

Hallelujah!

So why do you only have a problem with me and ‘mine’?’

Not a joke as you are well aware.
You accused me of making assumptions, then make one yourself in your reply.
But you avoid addressing that in favour of having a cheap pop at me.

Typical of you and yours.

[tommy toes]

  TT, he totally ignored the labour heartlands when in power closed industry down and did nothing to protect the standard of living  of  the working man with alternative work opportunities, threw the armed forces under a bus following the USA on their crusades, A true socialist until someone else's money ran out while he and his family lined their own pockets.

 Ok.On the other hand ....The minimum wage, Sure Start, smaller class sizes, huge investment in schools, the shortest hospital waiting lists for 40 years, 11 years of uninterrupted economic growth – to name just a few of the benefits that helped the poorest in society. Not to mention peace in Northern Ireland, devolution and a constructive relationship with the EU.
All achieved by sensible social democratic policies that focused on delivery, not rhetoric.

[belton rover]

So how do you know the comments are belittling if you don't feel belittled?
Who was belittled then?
You then are assuming that others are being belittled by comments that don't belittle you.

There’s no wonder Billy had a go at your jokes.

Also, I’m repeating this because I added it to a post after you commented and may have missed it:
In response to you saying I give as good as I get:

‘And with regard to giving as good as I get:

Hallelujah!

So why do you only have a problem with me and ‘mine’?’

Not a joke as you are well aware.
You accused me of making assumptions, then make one yourself in your reply.
But you avoid addressing that in favour of having a cheap pop at me.

Typical of you and yours.

Let me try to explain again. Just because I don’t feel belittled by Billy’s comments, that doesn’t mean the language he uses isn’t belittling: some one else might feel belittled by his attempt to belittle.

Belittling language isn’t a ‘feeling’.

If you weren’t trying to be humorous with the excessive use of ‘belittle’, then I apologise. I mistook it as an attempt to make people laugh.

[tommy toes]

You are making assumptions again ffs!
Can't you see that?
You assume someone else might feel belittled.
Why would they if you're not?
Geddit?!