Coronavirus

[Bristol Red Rover]

...I however would happily state categorically that your views on covid & vaccination’s against covid are (on this forum) in the minority....

...because being in the "minority" means you should shut up? Give us a break mate, that's BS.

[Panda]

Being in the minority on most aspects of Covid throughout the last couple of years has proven to be the right decision.

[Colin C No.3]

...I however would happily state categorically that your views on covid & vaccination’s against covid are (on this forum) in the minority....

...because being in the "minority" means you should shut up? Give us a break mate, that's BS.

I didn’t say ‘shut up’ & I’m not your mate.

[Bristol Red Rover]

...I however would happily state categorically that your views on covid & vaccination’s against covid are (on this forum) in the minority....

...because being in the "minority" means you should shut up? Give us a break mate, that's BS.

I didn’t say ‘shut up’ & I’m not your mate.

"You’ve made your views long (very, very long) to the point of tedium so please, do us a favour."

[BillyStubbsTears]

It is no longer being offered to under 50's and thus is now unavailable for under 50's. Replace the word 'ban' with 'withdrawn' then. Same thing really in many ways.

Withdrawn as the benefits are seen to be not greater than the risks according to some reports.

No. It isn't the same thing in any way.

They haven't "withdrawn" the vaccine from anyone. They've just announced who will be eligible for a fourth jab.

Your use of "ban" strongly and wrongly suggests that there is a problem with the vaccine for the under 50s.

Whereas the decision has been made on cost-benefit grounds.

 Just like is has been here.

Just like we do every year on the flu vaccine.

Please don't propagate this sort of rubbish. It's bad enough that odious, lying little Kitsons like Tony Young are doing it without you spreading it in here.

[Panda]

Fair points Billy. Misinformation spreading was not intentional.

btw isn't it Toby Young? Free Speech Union bloke?

[BillyStubbsTears]

You mean THIS Free Speech Union?

https://freespeechunion.org/about/who-we-are/

Toby Young is a troublemaking far right Kitson who wouldn't recognise the truth if it kicked him in the b*llocks.

He makes his living by winding up people like you to believe there's some left woke conspiracy after you. If you choose to listen to a Kitson like that uncritically, you will constantly be fed from a sewer pipe of lies and at best wrongly presented half truths.

[BillyStubbsTears]

And sorry yes it is Toby not Tony. Autocorrect was wrong. It should have corrected it to t**t.

[Panda]

The Free Speech Union can help people who get cancelled or sacked from their jobs for example simply for having an opinion that isn't illegal but that one or more persons might be offended by.

Having an opinion isn't illegal.

JK Rowling for example. She's no need for a job tbh given the money she has but the sheer amount of nonsense shoved her way simply for stating a viable opinion on trans women would have seen her sacked if she did work for some woke employee.

Hence the Free Speech Union come in and fight their corner in this crazy world where people lose their shizzle because someone states biological facts.

[BillyStubbsTears]

Col.

They are f**king with your head. They have zero interest in helping anyone. They exist just to fight the Culture War from the far right.

And I'm sure Rowling would rather never sell a book again than have a nasty Kitson like Young in her corner.

[Panda]

There wouldn't be a culture war if university lecturers could say a trans woman is still a biological man without fear of or actually losing their jobs. If people didn't jump down the throats of people who have valid opinions, most of which is based on fact and are unwilling to discuss things then this is why people like Toby Young are needed.

Essentially Toby Young is just filling a need because the woke left can't accept people's views, even if they are factual.

[redwine]

Isn't Toby Young the guy who couldn't get into Oxford by his own efforts and required his father to call in favours?

Just the sort of entitled t**t that makes this country the opposite of a meritocracy and I am aware that it never has been and never will be.

[drfchound]

Is this still the coronavirus thread?

[Panda]

Yes. Is coronavirus even a thing anymore anyway?

[BillyStubbsTears]

Met with a business contact from Japan last week. They've had 10,000 people die of COVID in the past 6 weeks. It is very much still a thing.

[Panda]

Really? You mean a thing like flu or a n other respiratory virus or the common cold? That sort of thing?

Funny these days how anyone with symptoms of a common cold automatically says they think they might have Covid when it is pretty much the same thing.

Covid is just another virus doing the rounds. Nothing that we haven't seen or managed our daily lives with before and accepted.

[BillyStubbsTears]

Aye of course. Because Japanese people have always popped their clogs when they get a cold.

Jesus wept...

[Panda]

Did he? Should have given him a hankie.

[Bristol Red Rover]

Met with a business contact from Japan last week. They've had 10,000 people die of COVID in the past 6 weeks. It is very much still a thing.

with, with ,with....

[BillyStubbsTears]

The logic of some folk in here.

Following BRR's lead, if someone who had high blood pressure walked off a cliff, we'd have to say the died with a fall, not of a fall.

Think about the logic of what BRR is saying here and it's actually quite spectaculaly repulsive. And we've heard it from loads of other people who really should know better.  The logical conclusion is that anyone with co-morbities who caught COVID and died soon after shouldn't be considered to have been killed BY COVID, but to have died WITH it. The implication being that COVID was either irrelevant in their death, or just gave them a nudge in the direction they were going.

It's like modern healthcare was never invented. That the moment someone has diabetes or heart disease, they are set apart from society and their imminent  death is inevitable and unavoidable.

What I fail to understand is why clearly intelligent people insist on pushing this line.

[big fat yorkshire pudding]

Tbf Bst even the president of the US has declared the pandemic over.

[Ldr]

The logic of some folk in here.

Following BRR's lead, if someone who had high blood pressure walked off a cliff, we'd have to say the died with a fall, not of a fall.

Think about the logic of what BRR is saying here and it's actually quite spectaculaly repulsive. And we've heard it from loads of other people who really should know better.  The logical conclusion is that anyone with co-morbities who caught COVID and died soon after shouldn't be considered to have been killed BY COVID, but to have died WITH it. The implication being that COVID was either irrelevant in their death, or just gave them a nudge in the direction they were going.

It's like modern healthcare was never invented. That the moment someone has diabetes or heart disease, they are set apart from society and their imminent  death is inevitable and unavoidable.

What I fail to understand is why clearly intelligent people insist on pushing this line.

Billy, the logic of figures quoted. Said person would obvs die of fall, however, if said person had tested positive for covid in the prior 28 days said person would be reported on the covid figures and form part of the numbers you keep quoting. Surely that’s insane?

[BillyStubbsTears]

Over in America, yep he has. I hadn't said anything about America so I'm not sure I see the connection.

[BillyStubbsTears]

The logic of some folk in here.

Following BRR's lead, if someone who had high blood pressure walked off a cliff, we'd have to say the died with a fall, not of a fall.

Think about the logic of what BRR is saying here and it's actually quite spectaculaly repulsive. And we've heard it from loads of other people who really should know better.  The logical conclusion is that anyone with co-morbities who caught COVID and died soon after shouldn't be considered to have been killed BY COVID, but to have died WITH it. The implication being that COVID was either irrelevant in their death, or just gave them a nudge in the direction they were going.

It's like modern healthcare was never invented. That the moment someone has diabetes or heart disease, they are set apart from society and their imminent  death is inevitable and unavoidable.

What I fail to understand is why clearly intelligent people insist on pushing this line.

Billy, the logic of figures quoted. Said person would obvs die of fall, however, if said person had tested positive for covid in the prior 28 days said person would be reported on the covid figures and form part of the numbers you keep quoting. Surely that’s insane?

Which is why you need to be careful in which figures you look at. There's data on deaths within 28 days of a COVID +ve test. And there's data where qualified medical personnel have recorded COVID as being a contributing factor to the deaths. The numbers are the same to within a few percent.

I simply don't understand why intelligent people still so aggressively insist on the "with" issue. As if the overwhelming majority of the"with" COVID deaths would have still occured without COVID. It's like an obsession to minimise what has happened.

And of course, the problem with the death recording is, the conspiracy theorists all personally know dozens of cases where someone has fallen out of a window and COVID has been put on the death certificate, so clearly the Elite's plan is all encompassing.

[Nudga]

I only know of one conspiracy case like that, but it wasn't a window he fell out of, it was his motorbike.

[Bristol Red Rover]

The logic of some folk in here.

Following BRR's lead, if someone who had high blood pressure walked off a cliff, we'd have to say the died with a fall, not of a fall.

Are you really that confused? If someone walks off a cliff and dies and tested positive for covid, YOU are saying they died OF covid.

And you try to twist your comment to back up corrupt Pharma and Medics - it's like youre one the gullible in 1984. Ministry of Peace, Ministry of Justice, Ministry of Health....

[BillyStubbsTears]

And a qualified medic put COVID down on the death certificate as cause of death in a motorcycle accident?

[BillyStubbsTears]

The logic of some folk in here.

Following BRR's lead, if someone who had high blood pressure walked off a cliff, we'd have to say the died with a fall, not of a fall.

Are you really that confused? If someone walks off a cliff and dies and tested positive for covid, YOU are saying they died OF covid.

And you try to twist your comment to back up corrupt Pharma and Medics - it's like youre one the gullible in 1984. Ministry of Peace, Ministry of Justice, Ministry of Health....

Keep up. Read what I've just written to Ldr.

[Bristol Red Rover]

The logic of some folk in here.

Following BRR's lead, if someone who had high blood pressure walked off a cliff, we'd have to say the died with a fall, not of a fall.

Are you really that confused? If someone walks off a cliff and dies and tested positive for covid, YOU are saying they died OF covid.

And you try to twist your comment to back up corrupt Pharma and Medics - it's like youre one the gullible in 1984. Ministry of Peace, Ministry of Justice, Ministry of Health....

Keep up. Read what I've just written to Ldr.

Whether or not that carries any weight, you still persist in saying "OF" which is incorrect. The fact you are happy to disguard a few percent here and there says it all about your flakey stats.

[Nudga]

And here's the ex ONS head statistician calling out the communist Susan Michie on her misleading stats.
https://twitter.com/statsjamie/status/1571965081570922497?t=ClOQC6aXRNXzXdS4snCPhg&s=19