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rtid88

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Re: Coronavirus
« Reply #690 on March 17, 2020, 08:49:53 am by rtid88 »
Yep. I have done, reading that.
Me too BST.... Terrifying!



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BillyStubbsTears

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Re: Coronavirus
« Reply #691 on March 17, 2020, 08:53:59 am by BillyStubbsTears »
Thing is. I KNEW this in my heart. But seeing it laid out by the experts is the scary thing. I'd been hoping I was missing something.

But. There it is.

Good luck everyone. It's going to be a hard 12-18 months.

River Don

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« Reply #692 on March 17, 2020, 09:27:29 am by River Don »
Even if you think you are prepared, there is still that sinking feeling when the reality bites.

I felt it when it started taking off in Italy, I knew it was in Western Europe and it was only a short time before it would be here.

Then reading that paper blew away all hope that it would be anything but a nightmare.
« Last Edit: March 17, 2020, 09:29:43 am by River Don »

BillyStubbsTears

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Re: Coronavirus
« Reply #693 on March 17, 2020, 09:37:09 am by BillyStubbsTears »
Most generations, through most of history, have dealt with massive crises.

This past 75 years has been the exception, not the rule. We got used to living in stable, prosperous, peaceful times.

It's our turn to be put through the mill now. Let's see what we are made of.

IDM

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Re: Coronavirus
« Reply #694 on March 17, 2020, 09:58:55 am by IDM »
There is a hope that since their figures and modelling errs on the side of caution and is conservative with a small c, the actual numbers may not prove to be so bad.  I accept they will still be bad, but any reduction will be most welcome.!

Pancho Regan

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Re: Coronavirus
« Reply #695 on March 17, 2020, 10:09:19 am by Pancho Regan »
The added worry is, in times of national crisis, you desperately need strong leaders.
Leaders with wisdom, clarity of thought, with exceptional communication skills.

I don't see any.

 

BillyStubbsTears

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Re: Coronavirus
« Reply #696 on March 17, 2020, 10:12:49 am by BillyStubbsTears »
The added worry is, in times of national crisis, you desperately need strong leaders.
Leaders with wisdom, clarity of thought, with exceptional communication skills.

I don't see any.

 

Amen to that.

Johnson has always fancied himself as Churchill. Let's hope the similarity extends to more than just a liking for the bottle.

bigbadjack

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Re: Coronavirus
« Reply #697 on March 17, 2020, 10:24:10 am by bigbadjack »
My daughter goes to Macauley and we have been told as from tomorrow only yr11&13 are allowed in I imagine other schools may follow very soon

River Don

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« Reply #698 on March 17, 2020, 10:34:11 am by River Don »
Ours is meant to be going back tomorrow after the school has had a deep clean. No word on the suspected case with a staff member.

I'm begining to wonder if it might just be better for her to claim she's sick.

BillyStubbsTears

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« Reply #699 on March 17, 2020, 10:36:27 am by BillyStubbsTears »
Schools will be shut nationwide by next Monday at the latest. Universities too, although many have already made the decision for the Govt

Metalmicky

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Re: Coronavirus
« Reply #700 on March 17, 2020, 10:38:52 am by Metalmicky »
Poster on social distancing that may help some.......




BillyStubbsTears

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Re: Coronavirus
« Reply #701 on March 17, 2020, 10:40:53 am by BillyStubbsTears »
The added worry is, in times of national crisis, you desperately need strong leaders.
Leaders with wisdom, clarity of thought, with exceptional communication skills.

I don't see any.

 

And we think WE have problems Pancho.

https://mobile.twitter.com/OleGranny2/status/1239688980028891141

BillyStubbsTears

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Re: Coronavirus
« Reply #702 on March 17, 2020, 10:57:03 am by BillyStubbsTears »
Get ready for this, here, next week. A form to fill in if you want to leave the house.



River Don

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Re: Coronavirus
« Reply #703 on March 17, 2020, 10:58:14 am by River Don »
It begins.

Laura Ashley gone into administration.

Carluccios restaurants warn they are days away from administration.

Carphone warehouse to close 531 stores.

Superspy

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Re: Coronavirus
« Reply #704 on March 17, 2020, 11:04:28 am by Superspy »
In fairness Dixons Carphone have said the CW closures are nothing to do with the virus and they were shutting them anyway.

SydneyRover

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Re: Coronavirus
« Reply #705 on March 17, 2020, 11:18:34 am by SydneyRover »
On a lighter note, just busted my dentist in the queue at Aldi stockpiling 15 large bars of chocolate.

River Don

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« Reply #706 on March 17, 2020, 11:23:05 am by River Don »
This is a crisis. A large crisis. In fact, if you got a moment, it's a twelve-storey crisis with a magnificent entrance hall, carpeting throughout, 24-hour portage, and an enormous sign on the roof, saying 'This Is a Large Crisis'.

IDM

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Re: Coronavirus
« Reply #707 on March 17, 2020, 11:25:39 am by IDM »
Sounds like Rimmer.?

IDM

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Re: Coronavirus
« Reply #708 on March 17, 2020, 11:29:25 am by IDM »
I wonder what the government will announce today, about finances..?

Superspy

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« Reply #709 on March 17, 2020, 11:32:58 am by Superspy »
Sounds like Rimmer.?

Close, Blackadder. :D

SydneyRover

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« Reply #710 on March 17, 2020, 11:45:10 am by SydneyRover »
In fairness Dixons Carphone have said the CW closures are nothing to do with the virus and they were shutting them anyway.

Just read that on the BBC it's 2900 jobs

added: Almost 40% of staff (1,800) affected by the closures are expected to take new roles in the business, the firm said.

Not sure about the maths though?
« Last Edit: March 17, 2020, 11:49:17 am by SydneyRover »

SydneyRover

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« Reply #711 on March 17, 2020, 11:57:28 am by SydneyRover »
A lot of talk by Osbourne and others about underwriting bank loans for business by the government with some good suggestions from the mob saying that it shouldn't be done for those businesses that use aggressive tax avoidance.

SydneyRover

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Re: Coronavirus
« Reply #712 on March 17, 2020, 12:16:13 pm by SydneyRover »
The latest figures coming out of China are astonishing if they are correct with only 21 new cases and 13 deaths.

80,881   +21   3,226   +13   68,709   8,946   3,226   56.2

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/

Copps is Magic

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« Reply #713 on March 17, 2020, 12:17:08 pm by Copps is Magic »
A study in Italy based on a town of 3000 people is showing between 50% and 75% of infected people are asymptomatic

https://www.repubblica.it/salute/medicina-e-ricerca/2020/03/16/news/coronavirus_studio_il_50-75_dei_casi_a_vo_sono_asintomatici_e_molto_contagiosi-251474302/?ref=RHPPTP-BH-I251454518-C120-P3-S2.4-T1
(its in italian but you can translate it via google)

What it means for me and you is that we might already have it now without even knowing it. What it means for how we cope with the pandemic, I don't really know. The only common demoinator for how S.Korea, Hong Kong and Singapore slowed the spread was that they implemented measures such as school closures as early as January and it is common there to wear masks (its frustrating to me we put so much focus on surface transmition in the West, hand-washing was an ideology before the evidence). Hong Kong has a week long lockdown, its second, (apparently slowly ending now) and we know S.Korea has tested the most (and some are suggesting the openess of the gov with the people had an impact also - contrast USA).

It seems there was nothing instrinsically magical in those country's responses, they just acted much quicker, and had much better, direct advice to the population (based on their previous experiences with sars). Western governments have seemingly resigned themselves to letting this run through the population at a (un)manageble rate. I repeat, I think if govenments aren't preparing temporary ICU facilities now, its a gross travesty.

Copps is Magic

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« Reply #714 on March 17, 2020, 12:26:42 pm by Copps is Magic »
Another thing. Many asian countries seem to be now doing rigourous, on the spot testing at borders, while many Western countries have given up on testing the population at large.

South Korean biotech firms are sending half a million testing kits to the west
https://www.asiae.co.kr/article/2020031609341102857
(in Korean, again, right click 'translate to english')

Testing helps. It gives you information. Information you can act with, rather than reacting to the situation.

When this all settles, another question our governments and health authorities will have to answer to is why there were such dramatic shortcomings in our testing systems.


River Don

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« Reply #715 on March 17, 2020, 12:28:15 pm by River Don »
A study in Italy based on a town of 3000 people is showing between 50% and 75% of infected people are asymptomatic

https://www.repubblica.it/salute/medicina-e-ricerca/2020/03/16/news/coronavirus_studio_il_50-75_dei_casi_a_vo_sono_asintomatici_e_molto_contagiosi-251474302/?ref=RHPPTP-BH-I251454518-C120-P3-S2.4-T1
(its in italian but you can translate it via google)

What it means for me and you is that we might already have it now without even knowing it. What it means for how we cope with the pandemic, I don't really know. The only common demoinator for how S.Korea, Hong Kong and Singapore slowed the spread was that they implemented measures such as school closures as early as January and it is common there to wear masks (its frustrating to me we put so much focus on surface transmition in the West, hand-washing was an ideology before the evidence). Hong Kong has a week long lockdown, its second, (apparently slowly ending now) and we know S.Korea has tested the most (and some are suggesting the openess of the gov with the people had an impact also - contrast USA).

It seems there was nothing instrinsically magical in those country's responses, they just acted much quicker, and had much better, direct advice to the population (based on their previous experiences with sars). Western governments have seemingly resigned themselves to letting this run through the population at a (un)manageble rate. I repeat, I think if govenments aren't preparing temporary ICU facilities now, its a gross travesty.

Whitty said yesterday evening that he thought they were close to a test to find those who have had the virus.

Let's hope so, that might be transformational.

IDM

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« Reply #716 on March 17, 2020, 12:29:40 pm by IDM »
Money.. simple as that, I reckon..

GazLaz

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« Reply #717 on March 17, 2020, 12:33:26 pm by GazLaz »
Did anyone actually have any faith in the decision makers in the UK actually doing a good job of this? It was obvious they would make a mess of it. Slow to react, indecisive and probably worst of all they make decisions based on factors other than what if the right thing to do.

River Don

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« Reply #718 on March 17, 2020, 12:39:10 pm by River Don »
A report from China of some success with Vitamin C. That would be a nice cheap solution.

https://www.globalresearch.ca/three-intravenous-vitamin-c-research-studies-approved-treating-covid-19/5705405


Whatever getting extra vitamin C now is a good idea. It helps the immune system. A little and often is best, keep sipping a carton of orange juice.

BigH

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« Reply #719 on March 17, 2020, 12:40:33 pm by BigH »
Money.. simple as that, I reckon..
A big factor for sure.

Makes you wonder whether they could/should have set up testing sites in every major supermarket car park weeks ago. Too late now.

No wonder Sth Korea and Singapore are p**sed off after the lengths they've gone to.

 

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