Coronavirus

[Donnywolf]

Saw this earlier and it made me chuckle...

Ha ha yes - its on a par with Hancock in Parliament with his arm round that other MP

[Metalmicky]

I see both the US and Brazil registered around 1500 deaths yesterday and 65-70k new cases....... between the two they have now have had over 7 million cases.

[drfchound]

Australia not doing so great either are they.

[SydneyRover]

Was it on GMB hound?

[drfchound]

Don’t watch it, do you?

[BillyStubbsTears]

I see both the US and Brazil registered around 1500 deaths yesterday and 65-70k new cases....... between the two they have now have had over 7 million cases.

What's the common denominator?

USA worst management of COVID in the world.

Brazil: worst in South America.

UK England: Worst in Europe.

India: Worst in Asia.

All four countries run by right wing popularists.

[Metalmicky]

I see both the US and Brazil registered around 1500 deaths yesterday and 65-70k new cases....... between the two they have now have had over 7 million cases.

What's the common denominator?

USA worst management of COVID in the world.

Brazil: worst in South America.

UK: Worst in Europe.

India: Worst in Asia.

All four countries run by right wing popularists.

I'm sure you said you weren't going to be politicising this .....

[drfchound]

Is the UK the worst in Europe?

[i_ateallthepies]

Is the UK the worst in Europe?

No but England is.

[BillyStubbsTears]

I see both the US and Brazil registered around 1500 deaths yesterday and 65-70k new cases....... between the two they have now have had over 7 million cases.

What's the common denominator?

USA worst management of COVID in the world.

Brazil: worst in South America.

UK: Worst in Europe.

India: Worst in Asia.

All four countries run by right wing popularists.

I'm sure you said you weren't going to be politicising this .....

I did. But that went out the window when the Govt started lying about its management.

At some point you have to start asking hard questions if you are to avoid making the same mistakes again.
Here's a quote that's very apt.

"The use of recriminating about the past is to enforce effective action in the future."

[drfchound]

Is the UK the worst in Europe?

No but England is.

So the UK isn’t then.

[wilts rover]

Is the UK the worst in Europe?

No but England is.

So the UK isn’t then.

That's correct.

Just the bit that Cummings, Johnson and Hancock are in charge of.

[BillyStubbsTears]

Is the UK the worst in Europe?

No but England is.

So the UK isn’t then.

Post corrected for those who nitpick rather than address the core point.

[drfchound]

Nice one BST, I know how you like to be right with your facts.

[Filo]

It’s wierd that almost every Country in Europe is showing signs of a second spike at the same time

[Metalmicky]

Lockdown tightened in parts of northern England.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-53602362

[Filo]

Lockdown tightened in parts of northern England.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-53602362

And putting the blame on the people instead of acknowledging they lifted lockdown too early

[big fat yorkshire pudding]

Lockdown tightened in parts of northern England.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-53602362

And putting the blame on the people instead of acknowledging they lifted lockdown too early

Nothing will ever work if people are not responsible it is that simple.

[wilts rover]

UK's largest social care provider says it no longer has access to testing for staff and patients due to an issue with government supply.

https://twitter.com/SkyNewsBreak/status/1288827986964369412

Who's not being responsible here BFYP?

The people in the pubs - or the person who opened the pubs when there is a highly infectious disease in the community? The people who run the care homes or the people who should be providing the kit for them to do it safely?

[BillyStubbsTears]

Lockdown tightened in parts of northern England.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-53602362

And putting the blame on the people instead of acknowledging they lifted lockdown too early

Nothing will ever work if people are not responsible it is that simple.

Maybe an approach where you do t have your PM announcing the end of lockdown on 4th of July and calling it Independence Day might have a chance of working?

Just a thought.

[Donnywolf]

Lockdown tightened in parts of northern England.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-53602362

And putting the blame on the people instead of acknowledging they lifted lockdown too early

..... and (easy in hindsight) started it too late

[big fat yorkshire pudding]

UK's largest social care provider says it no longer has access to testing for staff and patients due to an issue with government supply.

https://twitter.com/SkyNewsBreak/status/1288827986964369412

Who's not being responsible here BFYP?

The people in the pubs - or the person who opened the pubs when there is a highly infectious disease in the community? The people who run the care homes or the people who should be providing the kit for them to do it safely?

2 separate issues aren't they? It shouldn't be difficult to get them that testing.  Right they've removed the tests in place but they should be replaceable.

But I cannot agree on your second point they have to open businesses.  Bear in mind they did this with rules, rules that many cannot abide by unfortunately.  Do we really need the government to enforce everything? That tells us more about our attitude as a nation than the government's actions.

[River Don]

They had to drop the 2M rule and not apply the mask rule before opening pubs became viable. The government has always had to take risks with this virus to get the hospitality industry started again.

[Woodhead Passer]

Lockdown tightened in parts of northern England.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-53602362

So I can't have friends & family around in my garden, but can still go to a pub surrounded by strangers 

[drfchound]

But you can go to the pub with members of your own household and keep socially distanced from other people.
A bit like going to Tesco really.

[big fat yorkshire pudding]

Lockdown tightened in parts of northern England.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-53602362

So I can't have friends & family around in my garden, but can still go to a pub surrounded by strangers 

As long as you keep a distance from others, if you can't keep a distance the place should not be open.

[Woodhead Passer]

Yes I know, it was a bit tongue in cheek. These places are enforcing social distancing and have cleaning measures in place.

I can understand not having visitors in our households, but think we should still be allowed to in our gardens.

[BillyStubbsTears]

Lockdown tightened in parts of northern England.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-53602362

And putting the blame on the people instead of acknowledging they lifted lockdown too early

..... and (easy in hindsight) started it too late

Not hindsight though. That's the key thing to remember, because that will be the excuse.

[ravenrover]

Professor this morning 3 clear ways to eliminate the virus
Quarantine
Track and trace
Close the borders
He was a New Zealander and said in 6 weeks we could be back to eliminating the virus and leading normal lives

[selby]

  If he has not read this thread thoroughly he is no expert