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5 on Tour

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Re: Let's talk about the Southend game
« Reply #60 on January 28, 2020, 07:41:02 am by 5 on Tour »
I would expect Cole to be coming on in the second half(unless someone gets injured) rather than going straight in.

As for his contract only being until the end of the season and him proving himself. A number of you seem to misunderstand how contract extensions work. Cole has signed an 18 month deal, that deal runs for 6 months and if WE choose to use up the 12 month extension that is our choice. He has already agreed to it. We file the paperwork and that’s it. No negotiations or talks needed by either party other than us saying well done mate we are extending. So stop stressing out about him being in the shop window.

The player really in that window is Sadlier currently. Top scorer with no contract in 6 months. DM is going to reach a point where he says either sign it or don’t. Can’t see him letting it rumble on much longer.

Formation for me is back to 4-2-3-1(not 4-3-3 as some people think we’ve played all season).

                      Dieng
Halliday  Anderson    Wright   James
                Sheaf  Whiteman
Taylor       Coppinger       Sadlier
                      Ennis

Cole is a dead cert to come on assuming fully fit. Bingham will replace Sadlier mid way through 2nd half(earlier if winning) as running with a broken nose isn’t great for Oxygen intake. Then either Gomes or Blair to appear dependant on what’s happening.



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Re: Let's talk about the Southend game
« Reply #61 on January 28, 2020, 08:21:22 am by Metalmicky »
I see that Rob Kiernan (centre back) is expected to play for Southend tonight - even though he has agreed a move to Orange County FC....

I find it strange that a player would agree to play, knowing that he has a move lined up to another club.  Surely he's jeopardising that move (which I believe he negotiated himself) by playing tonight - how committed is he going to be...?   

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Re: Let's talk about the Southend game
« Reply #62 on January 28, 2020, 08:30:33 am by Paul Simpson »
Isn’t Bingham injured ?

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Re: Let's talk about the Southend game
« Reply #63 on January 28, 2020, 08:38:11 am by drfchound »
Isn’t Bingham injured ?







Best ask 5 on tour.......he seems to know everything.

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Re: Let's talk about the Southend game
« Reply #64 on January 28, 2020, 08:44:29 am by RoversAlias »
Bingham picked up a hamstring injury last week, unsure if he's fit yet.

I wouldn't start Sadlier purely because I think Gomes had a great game on Friday and we have Copps to bring in if we want to restore attacking impetus to the midfield. Sads suffered a nasty knock so let's bring him on in the second half if we need to. Copps for John or James and otherwise as you were. Sadlier and Cole to come on would be no bad thing to keep up our sleeve.

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Re: Let's talk about the Southend game
« Reply #65 on January 28, 2020, 08:46:18 am by drfchound »
Taylor has to start for me against Sunderland yes he was wasteful but half time there was no one in the area to cross to






Ah but that is because at half time all the players were in the dressing room. 🤔😉

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Re: Let's talk about the Southend game
« Reply #66 on January 28, 2020, 08:54:39 am by Alan Southstand »
Bingham not ready - see latest from Liam Hoden.

It’s not the manager’s style to drop someone straight into the firing line, we’ll, not so far, anyway.

It’s going to be dependant on who is the fittest, as to who plays where, but I can see James reverting to his normal left back berth. Unfortunate for John, but how can you split the brick wall that is Anderson/Wright?

Middle 2 would normally be a gimme, but question marks over how fit BW is, after his knock on Friday night.

Then the 3? I think Sadlier comes back in, otherwise leave we’ll alone. Gomes has earned his place, for me.

So that leaves Ennis up top, with Cole ready to be introduced later.

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Re: Let's talk about the Southend game
« Reply #67 on January 28, 2020, 09:06:18 am by Donnywolf »
Taylor has to start for me against Sunderland yes he was wasteful but half time there was no one in the area to cross to






Ah but that is because at half time all the players were in the dressing room. 🤔😉

Not the Subs ?

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Re: Let's talk about the Southend game
« Reply #68 on January 28, 2020, 09:23:06 am by drfchound »
Taylor has to start for me against Sunderland yes he was wasteful but half time there was no one in the area to cross to






Ah but that is because at half time all the players were in the dressing room. 🤔😉

Not the Subs ?






Good question wolfie.
I don’t know coz I wasn’t able to go but in the last couple of  home games I have noticed that the subs haven’t been out at half time.

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Re: Let's talk about the Southend game
« Reply #69 on January 28, 2020, 09:26:36 am by IDM »
The only change I can see to the starting line up is Copps in for John, James revering to LB.

Sadlier I would ease back in after a broken nose and concussion, and Cole on the bench too with the expectation of some game time later on.

According to DM on RS yesterday, there are no other injuries so Whiteman should be ok..

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Re: Let's talk about the Southend game
« Reply #70 on January 28, 2020, 09:39:24 am by big fat yorkshire pudding »
Is it available to watch on ifollow this one? 

It would be harsh to drop Gomez imo so he should keep his place over Copps for me.

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Re: Let's talk about the Southend game
« Reply #71 on January 28, 2020, 09:46:55 am by DonnyBazR0ver »
Depends on whether DM wants to give us a bit more of an attacking line up at home. That said, Copp's hasn't been much of an attacking threat recently in and around the box which made me think he wasn't 100% fit with DM managing his game time.

We could do with Copps back at full flow to help us unlock the door and maybe tonight, just the name Southend might trigger something in him.

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Re: Let's talk about the Southend game
« Reply #72 on January 28, 2020, 10:46:11 am by 5 on Tour »
Isn’t Bingham injured ?







Best ask 5 on tour.......he seems to know everything.

IF he’s still injured he won’t come on or be in the squad. Not sure what you’ve got your knickers in a twist about?

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Re: Let's talk about the Southend game
« Reply #73 on January 28, 2020, 10:48:51 am by 5 on Tour »
Is it available to watch on ifollow this one? 

It would be harsh to drop Gomez imo so he should keep his place over Copps for me.

It should be mate. It does seem a bit hit and miss though. Last season even on a Tuesday night it was giving a message about restricted viewing rights for UK viewers. Some people got around it by creating a fresh account and then it let them watch.

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Re: Let's talk about the Southend game
« Reply #74 on January 28, 2020, 10:56:18 am by IDM »
The away game on a midweek night was available.. I know because I paid the £10 and watched it.!

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Re: Let's talk about the Southend game
« Reply #75 on January 28, 2020, 11:17:17 am by Lifelong supporter »
I would expect Cole to be coming on in the second half(unless someone gets injured) rather than going straight in.

As for his contract only being until the end of the season and him proving himself. A number of you seem to misunderstand how contract extensions work. Cole has signed an 18 month deal, that deal runs for 6 months and if WE choose to use up the 12 month extension that is our choice. He has already agreed to it. We file the paperwork and that’s it. No negotiations or talks needed by either party other than us saying well done mate we are extending. So stop stressing out about him being in the shop window.

The player really in that window is Sadlier currently. Top scorer with no contract in 6 months. DM is going to reach a point where he says either sign it or don’t. Can’t see him letting it rumble on much longer.

Formation for me is back to 4-2-3-1(not 4-3-3 as some people think we’ve played all season).

                      Dieng
Halliday  Anderson    Wright   James
                Sheaf  Whiteman
Taylor       Coppinger       Sadlier
                      Ennis

Cole is a dead cert to come on assuming fully fit. Bingham will replace Sadlier mid way through 2nd half(earlier if winning) as running with a broken nose isn’t great for Oxygen intake. Then either Gomes or Blair to appear dependant on what’s happening.

Back to 4-2-3-1.
Not sure we're going back to it, because we never left it.
That was the formation we played at Sunderland.

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Re: Let's talk about the Southend game
« Reply #76 on January 28, 2020, 11:27:24 am by 5 on Tour »
I would expect Cole to be coming on in the second half(unless someone gets injured) rather than going straight in.

As for his contract only being until the end of the season and him proving himself. A number of you seem to misunderstand how contract extensions work. Cole has signed an 18 month deal, that deal runs for 6 months and if WE choose to use up the 12 month extension that is our choice. He has already agreed to it. We file the paperwork and that’s it. No negotiations or talks needed by either party other than us saying well done mate we are extending. So stop stressing out about him being in the shop window.

The player really in that window is Sadlier currently. Top scorer with no contract in 6 months. DM is going to reach a point where he says either sign it or don’t. Can’t see him letting it rumble on much longer.

Formation for me is back to 4-2-3-1(not 4-3-3 as some people think we’ve played all season).

                      Dieng
Halliday  Anderson    Wright   James
                Sheaf  Whiteman
Taylor       Coppinger       Sadlier
                      Ennis

Cole is a dead cert to come on assuming fully fit. Bingham will replace Sadlier mid way through 2nd half(earlier if winning) as running with a broken nose isn’t great for Oxygen intake. Then either Gomes or Blair to appear dependant on what’s happening.

Back to 4-2-3-1.
Not sure we're going back to it, because we never left it.
That was the formation we played at Sunderland.

Against Sunderland we seemed to be splitting the formation for me. 4-2-3-1 when we had it but when Sunderland had it we seemed to end up more like 3-4-2-1 with John stepping in to the 3 and Halliday and James sitting outside the 2 Ben’s. Both managers talked about the change in our formation from the first game over Xmas. Not seen us do it before that game this season - I assume it was just to combat the midfield heavy formation from Sunderland as they seem to end up with 6 in there a lot of the time.

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Re: Let's talk about the Southend game
« Reply #77 on January 28, 2020, 11:36:12 am by drfchound »
I would expect Cole to be coming on in the second half(unless someone gets injured) rather than going straight in.

As for his contract only being until the end of the season and him proving himself. A number of you seem to misunderstand how contract extensions work. Cole has signed an 18 month deal, that deal runs for 6 months and if WE choose to use up the 12 month extension that is our choice. He has already agreed to it. We file the paperwork and that’s it. No negotiations or talks needed by either party other than us saying well done mate we are extending. So stop stressing out about him being in the shop window.

The player really in that window is Sadlier currently. Top scorer with no contract in 6 months. DM is going to reach a point where he says either sign it or don’t. Can’t see him letting it rumble on much longer.

Formation for me is back to 4-2-3-1(not 4-3-3 as some people think we’ve played all season).

                      Dieng
Halliday  Anderson    Wright   James
                Sheaf  Whiteman
Taylor       Coppinger       Sadlier
                      Ennis

Cole is a dead cert to come on assuming fully fit. Bingham will replace Sadlier mid way through 2nd half(earlier if winning) as running with a broken nose isn’t great for Oxygen intake. Then either Gomes or Blair to appear dependant on what’s happening.

Back to 4-2-3-1.
Not sure we're going back to it, because we never left it.
That was the formation we played at Sunderland.






I think that we played two formations at Sunderland, switching from a back four to a back three with wing backs.
It was good to see us doing it and counteracting the Sunderland game plan.

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Re: Let's talk about the Southend game
« Reply #78 on January 28, 2020, 11:42:55 am by Campsall rover »
Basically it is a 4-2-3-1 formation but it does have some fluidity to it.
The full backs push on when we have possession in the opposition half so the formation is always going to look different when we have the ball in offensive situations.
But James played left side in the 3 against Sunderland with John in the left back slot in a 4 at the back with Gomes in the middle of the 3 attacking positions as in Copps usual position.

Think James will probably go into the left back slot assuming Sadlier is fit, & John will give way. If not then I don’t see any change being made tonight unless Copps starts and then Gomes will have to give way. One of those 2 starts and one on the bench. Would be surprised if both were to start.
Ennis to start and Cole on the bench is the likely scenario up front.

Any way we know nothing and as i keep saying DM will know what he thinks is best and am happy to go with whatever that is.

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Re: Let's talk about the Southend game
« Reply #79 on January 28, 2020, 11:45:42 am by Campsall rover »
I would expect Cole to be coming on in the second half(unless someone gets injured) rather than going straight in.

As for his contract only being until the end of the season and him proving himself. A number of you seem to misunderstand how contract extensions work. Cole has signed an 18 month deal, that deal runs for 6 months and if WE choose to use up the 12 month extension that is our choice. He has already agreed to it. We file the paperwork and that’s it. No negotiations or talks needed by either party other than us saying well done mate we are extending. So stop stressing out about him being in the shop window.

The player really in that window is Sadlier currently. Top scorer with no contract in 6 months. DM is going to reach a point where he says either sign it or don’t. Can’t see him letting it rumble on much longer.

Formation for me is back to 4-2-3-1(not 4-3-3 as some people think we’ve played all season).

                      Dieng
Halliday  Anderson    Wright   James
                Sheaf  Whiteman
Taylor       Coppinger       Sadlier
                      Ennis

Cole is a dead cert to come on assuming fully fit. Bingham will replace Sadlier mid way through 2nd half(earlier if winning) as running with a broken nose isn’t great for Oxygen intake. Then either Gomes or Blair to appear dependant on what’s happening.

Back to 4-2-3-1.
Not sure we're going back to it, because we never left it.
That was the formation we played at Sunderland.






I think that we played two formations at Sunderland, switching from a back four to a back three with wing backs.
It was good to see us doing it and counteracting the Sunderland game plan.
We didn’t hound i promise you. Cameron John played at left back throughout the match. We had a constant back four.

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Re: Let's talk about the Southend game
« Reply #80 on January 28, 2020, 11:47:06 am by drfchound »
I would expect Cole to be coming on in the second half(unless someone gets injured) rather than going straight in.

As for his contract only being until the end of the season and him proving himself. A number of you seem to misunderstand how contract extensions work. Cole has signed an 18 month deal, that deal runs for 6 months and if WE choose to use up the 12 month extension that is our choice. He has already agreed to it. We file the paperwork and that’s it. No negotiations or talks needed by either party other than us saying well done mate we are extending. So stop stressing out about him being in the shop window.

The player really in that window is Sadlier currently. Top scorer with no contract in 6 months. DM is going to reach a point where he says either sign it or don’t. Can’t see him letting it rumble on much longer.

Formation for me is back to 4-2-3-1(not 4-3-3 as some people think we’ve played all season).

                      Dieng
Halliday  Anderson    Wright   James
                Sheaf  Whiteman
Taylor       Coppinger       Sadlier
                      Ennis

Cole is a dead cert to come on assuming fully fit. Bingham will replace Sadlier mid way through 2nd half(earlier if winning) as running with a broken nose isn’t great for Oxygen intake. Then either Gomes or Blair to appear dependant on what’s happening.

Back to 4-2-3-1.
Not sure we're going back to it, because we never left it.
That was the formation we played at Sunderland.






I think that we played two formations at Sunderland, switching from a back four to a back three with wing backs.
It was good to see us doing it and counteracting the Sunderland game plan.
We didn’t hound i promise you. Cameron John played at left back throughout the match. We had a constant back four.






I’m not getting into a debate about this but it isn’t only me who saw us switching during the game.

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Re: Let's talk about the Southend game
« Reply #81 on January 28, 2020, 11:47:34 am by 5 on Tour »
DM might try that 2-7-2 formation of Motta. Dieng in midfield. 👍

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Re: Let's talk about the Southend game
« Reply #82 on January 28, 2020, 11:50:44 am by Metalmicky »
I'm not sure I care what exact 'formation' we play - surely it is an ever evolving situation - players aren't restricted to zones...

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Re: Let's talk about the Southend game
« Reply #83 on January 28, 2020, 11:51:33 am by drfchound »
DM might try that 2-7-2 formation of Motta. Dieng in midfield. 👍






Ha, I like that.
It could work 😉 seeing as how Dieng used to be a midfielder before becoming a keeper.

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Re: Let's talk about the Southend game
« Reply #84 on January 28, 2020, 11:52:01 am by drfchound »
I'm not sure I care what exact 'formation' we play - surely it is an ever evolving situation - players aren't restricted to zones...






Bang on MM.

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Re: Let's talk about the Southend game
« Reply #85 on January 28, 2020, 11:52:43 am by Campsall rover »
A great problem to have but .......
The defence speaks for itself with just a debate over John or James at LB
Now fit the rest into the team.
Do we stick with the same 4 2 3 1 formation or do we now change, if we change then to what?
Who and how would you play on Tuesday?
Why change something that works? Defensively we are sound so it would be madness imo to change something the players are very comfortable playing.
DM is not going to change his initials to DF. Well i certainly hope he won’t be.
I think he likes the system we currently play and it is imo the best one with the players we have.

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Re: Let's talk about the Southend game
« Reply #86 on January 28, 2020, 12:04:25 pm by Campsall rover »
I'm not sure I care what exact 'formation' we play - surely it is an ever evolving situation - players aren't restricted to zones...
Of course that is correct. Any formation has to have some fluidity.
The best example of that was SOD’s team.
This one is becoming similar not at that level yet but definitely getting towards that. Let’s just say we are work in progress.
Next season which ever division we are in i predict is going to be very enjoyable & exciting.
With the right additions in the summer we will be a “proper” team. Deing & Sheaf would be massive signings for us if we could get them both.
Within reason of course, whatever they cost will be money well spent.
« Last Edit: January 28, 2020, 12:06:52 pm by Campsall rover »

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Re: Let's talk about the Southend game
« Reply #87 on January 28, 2020, 12:13:52 pm by 5 on Tour »
DM might try that 2-7-2 formation of Motta. Dieng in midfield. 👍






Ha, I like that.
It could work 😉 seeing as how Dieng used to be a midfielder before becoming a keeper.

Hasn’t he tried it and they were 3-0 after 20 minutes or something similar. Don’t think it will be a lasting style.

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Re: Let's talk about the Southend game
« Reply #88 on January 28, 2020, 12:25:28 pm by IDM »
Southend played a 8-0-0 formation after going down to 9 men in the game a few months ago..

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Re: Let's talk about the Southend game
« Reply #89 on January 28, 2020, 12:25:32 pm by Reesielad »
DM might try that 2-7-2 formation of Motta. Dieng in midfield.






Ha, I like that.
It could work seeing as how Dieng used to be a midfielder before becoming a keeper.

Hasn’t he tried it and they were 3-0 after 20 minutes or something similar. Don’t think it will be a lasting style.

All jokes aside, if you have a spare 5 mins give this a watch. Pretty insightful and talks about the use of inviting the press and having a goalkeeper who is comfortable with the ball.


https://youtu.be/GX8VoEw6Vxk


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