This isn't the Brexit I voted for (part 2)...

[wilts rover]

What they said during the referendum campaign:

Farm subsidies will be protected once we leave the EU - and after we take back control we can even increase them
https://twitter.com/PickardJE/status/1232679362912247811

What they say today:

Farm subsidies to be cut by 25% next year
https://twitter.com/FarmersWeekly/status/1232279578292387841

[BillyStubbsTears]

I like that old Vote Leave leaflet in the first link Wilts. "If we vote to Remain, we will be tied into the EU's nightmare bureaucracy forever. And...err...continue to get huge subsidies."

Owen Paterson on that leaflet by the way. The man who insisted in 2016 that we'd be insane to leave the Single Market.

01:25 here.

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://m.youtube.com/watch%3Fv%3Dvhb-DLqelN8&ved=2ahUKEwjq0fKE9e_nAhVTVBUIHcqyDu8QtwIwAXoECAYQAQ&usg=AOvVaw3d24esdAx0b4LTVicmwz2E

I assume he's now been sectioned.

[SydneyRover]

the only thing he got right was it' (the vote) would be the biggest thing since the reformation, I thought it was Capability Brown at first.

[wilts rover]

I was also going to point out that the leaflets also say that after we leave the EU we will have more money for flood defences to protect farmland

Whilst the Environment Minister said today that farmers are just going to have to put up with more frequent flooding of their land but the government will 'consider' reimbursing them for this.

But I thought that would be highlighting a bit too much hypocrisy as people knew what they voting for despite them now being told something completely different by the same people. Oh well.

https://www.shropshirestar.com/news/uk-news/2020/02/26/farmers-could-be-paid-for-natural-flood-solutions-to-cut-risk-to-communities/

[SydneyRover]

watercress and wasabi should be the go from here on.

[BillyStubbsTears]

It's just hit me!

We can't possibly get a trade agreement in place with the EU before the end of the year. So we're faced with the disaster of crashing out with No Deal.

No Govt wants that. But this Govt doesn't want to back down either.

Unless....

Unless it has an excuse. Like global economic turmoil, caused by a virus perhaps?

There's my prediction. We postpone the end of the transition period sometime in the middle of this year because of "uncertainties in the global economy due to the Corvid-19 pandemic". And that's followed up by a tirade of abuse from the Mail and Express, saying dirty f**king Italians deliberately went sneezing over everybody to block the Will of The People.

[SydneyRover]

Let’s see if Johnson and the polecat are serious or whether his 2min attention span creates a big yawn. 2oobn is not over two decades they have lost the same amount in much less time 

‘’Go big' to tackle regional inequalities, report urges

The government must "think big" and spend more if it is serious about levelling up the UK's regions, an independent inquiry has said.

An extra £200bn of regional funds should be channelled to disadvantaged parts of the country over the next two decades, the UK2070 Commission said.

The report concludes policies need to cover longer timescales and feature stronger pan-regional collaboration.

It said regional inequalities have "blighted" Britain’’

https://www.bbc.com/news/business-51650577

[BillyStubbsTears]

Government Statement today.

"However if it is not possible to negotiate a satisfactory outcome, then the trading relationship with the EU will rest on the 2019 Withdrawal Agreement and will look similar to Australia's."

Similar to Australia's arrangement with the EU. Let me interpret. That means "No arrangement with the EU. And we do about 800% more trade with the EU than Australia does. Oh aye, and Australia is currently negotiating a free trade deal with the EU and we would have walked away from such a deal in this scenario. What we SHOUKD have said, was that our arrangement with the EU will be identical to that of Bhutan or Kyrgyzstan. Except that their future well being isn't based on trade with the EU and ours is. But we think you are too thick to get any of this. We despise you but we do need to bullshit you into supporting us, so we'll say we're aiming for an Australia Deal. Idiots."

[Not Now Kato]

    Trade talks, a prediction: (courtesy of @RussInCheshire)
 
    UK - We don't like our deal
    EU - Why not?
    UK - We only get 95% of what we want
    EU - It only gives us 95% too
    UK - We want a new deal that gives us 100% of what we want
    EU - But that means we only get 90% of what we want
    UK - Yes, but we don't care. We hate you.
    EU - Bit rude
    UK - We elected people to go to your meetings specifically to say we hate you
    EU - We noticed
    UK - So we want a new deal, and we want the deal in 11 months or we cancel our existing deal
    EU - Wait.. what?
    UK - We've put it into law: you give us 100% of what we want in 11 months, or we walk away with 0% of what we want
    EU - Erm... suits us!
    UK - Wait, what?
    EU - Perfect, do it. Walk away
    UK - No, hold on, wait: you have to negotiate, so Boris can win
    EU - Why? Right now you have 95% of perfect and we have 95% of perfect. If we negotiate, you get 100% and we get 90%.
    UK - That's right
    EU - But if we don't negotiate, we still have 95%... and you have 0%
    UK - But... no, you're not meant to say that
    EU - And if we don't have a deal, we don't have to put up with you sending people to our meetings to say you hate us
    UK - The Daily Mail made us do it and then ran away!
    EU - So we'll just sit it out for 11 months
    UK - Fine, we'll go and make a great deal with the US
    US - Yo suckers
    UK - Could we have a trade deal please, sir?
    US - Sure thing. We want 100% of everything, plus 51% controlling share in the NHS, and you get, let's see... 60% of what you have now
    UK - Not good enough
    US - Bye
    UK - What?
    US - Bye. Talks are over. Bye
    UK - But we haven't got a deal!
    US - We are 26% of world trade, making deals with EU (20%) and China (17%). We don't need your 1.8%.
    UK - But we really need a deal, the EU outsmarted us
    US - We know. Some of us can read. Not Trump, obviously, but the rest of us. Try India
    UK - Hi India, remember us?
    India - Oh f**k, these guys again
    UK - We want a trade deal
    India - And we want to vastly increase the number of Indians who can live in the UK
    UK - We can't do that. Turns out we're, like, properly racist
    India - That is brand new information!!
    UK - So can we have a deal?
    India - Sure. Join the queue
    UK - Who's in the queue?
    India - USA, China, Brazil, EU, Korea, Canada, Australia... basically everybody. We're kind of a big deal now.
    UK - So you'll be ready to negotiate in, what: 11 months?
    India - ha ha ha ha ha
    UK - What did we say?
    India - 11 months? Try 11 years. This shit takes ages, bro
    UK - But we had a timetable of 11 months with the EU
    India - And how did that work out?
    UK - erm...
    India - Try China
    UK - Can we please have a trade deal?
    China - Sorry, who are you?
    UK - We're Great Britain
    China - Great, you say?
    UK - Well... once
    China - And what do you want?
    UK - A trade deal worthy of our status
    China - You've got one
    UK - No we haven't
    China - Yes you have. With the EU. You don't need to renegotiate your trade deals: you need to reassess your status. Cos you're not a mighty nation, you're a small, wet, heavily indebted island on the edge of a globally important trading bloc... which you left, you goons
    UK - So, what do you suggest?
    China - You already know
    ...
    EU - Hello again. Here to rejoin?
    UK - Yes, on the same terms as before.
    EU - Oh, I don't think so. Say goodbye to your rebate, hello to the Euro, and bonjour to the Schengen area. You are so dumb.
    UK - We hate you!

[BobG]

Sadly, the Mail and its like will never accept the last bit...

BobG

[Herbert Anchovy]

    Trade talks, a prediction: (courtesy of @RussInCheshire)
 
    UK - We don't like our deal
    EU - Why not?
    UK - We only get 95% of what we want
    EU - It only gives us 95% too
    UK - We want a new deal that gives us 100% of what we want
    EU - But that means we only get 90% of what we want
    UK - Yes, but we don't care. We hate you.
    EU - Bit rude
    UK - We elected people to go to your meetings specifically to say we hate you
    EU - We noticed
    UK - So we want a new deal, and we want the deal in 11 months or we cancel our existing deal
    EU - Wait.. what?
    UK - We've put it into law: you give us 100% of what we want in 11 months, or we walk away with 0% of what we want
    EU - Erm... suits us!
    UK - Wait, what?
    EU - Perfect, do it. Walk away
    UK - No, hold on, wait: you have to negotiate, so Boris can win
    EU - Why? Right now you have 95% of perfect and we have 95% of perfect. If we negotiate, you get 100% and we get 90%.
    UK - That's right
    EU - But if we don't negotiate, we still have 95%... and you have 0%
    UK - But... no, you're not meant to say that
    EU - And if we don't have a deal, we don't have to put up with you sending people to our meetings to say you hate us
    UK - The Daily Mail made us do it and then ran away!
    EU - So we'll just sit it out for 11 months
    UK - Fine, we'll go and make a great deal with the US
    US - Yo suckers
    UK - Could we have a trade deal please, sir?
    US - Sure thing. We want 100% of everything, plus 51% controlling share in the NHS, and you get, let's see... 60% of what you have now
    UK - Not good enough
    US - Bye
    UK - What?
    US - Bye. Talks are over. Bye
    UK - But we haven't got a deal!
    US - We are 26% of world trade, making deals with EU (20%) and China (17%). We don't need your 1.8%.
    UK - But we really need a deal, the EU outsmarted us
    US - We know. Some of us can read. Not Trump, obviously, but the rest of us. Try India
    UK - Hi India, remember us?
    India - Oh f**k, these guys again
    UK - We want a trade deal
    India - And we want to vastly increase the number of Indians who can live in the UK
    UK - We can't do that. Turns out we're, like, properly racist
    India - That is brand new information!!
    UK - So can we have a deal?
    India - Sure. Join the queue
    UK - Who's in the queue?
    India - USA, China, Brazil, EU, Korea, Canada, Australia... basically everybody. We're kind of a big deal now.
    UK - So you'll be ready to negotiate in, what: 11 months?
    India - ha ha ha ha ha
    UK - What did we say?
    India - 11 months? Try 11 years. This shit takes ages, bro
    UK - But we had a timetable of 11 months with the EU
    India - And how did that work out?
    UK - erm...
    India - Try China
    UK - Can we please have a trade deal?
    China - Sorry, who are you?
    UK - We're Great Britain
    China - Great, you say?
    UK - Well... once
    China - And what do you want?
    UK - A trade deal worthy of our status
    China - You've got one
    UK - No we haven't
    China - Yes you have. With the EU. You don't need to renegotiate your trade deals: you need to reassess your status. Cos you're not a mighty nation, you're a small, wet, heavily indebted island on the edge of a globally important trading bloc... which you left, you goons
    UK - So, what do you suggest?
    China - You already know
    ...
    EU - Hello again. Here to rejoin?
    UK - Yes, on the same terms as before.
    EU - Oh, I don't think so. Say goodbye to your rebate, hello to the Euro, and bonjour to the Schengen area. You are so dumb.
    UK - We hate you!

Very good. Just slightly disappointed that you missed the section around the EU requiring the UK to follow EU state aid rules? We must maintain a level playing field and all that...except for Germany and Belgium of course who were granted 5 times more concessions to grant state aid than the UK in 2019. But that’s ok. I guess I must be racist to dare to question the EU?

[i_ateallthepies]

Given the Tory loathing of the concept of state aid, perhaps Germany and Belgium made five times more applications to grant state aid.

[BillyStubbsTears]

Pies.

I'm buggered if I'm going to wade through all the data but a quick skim of this document suggests you're bang on the money.

https://ec.europa.eu/competition/elojade/isef/index.cfm?fuseaction=dsp_sa_by_date

Cases of state aid by EU member countries in the past 3 months.

UK - 2
Belgium - 6
Germany - 43.

Herbert's absolutely convinced that our path to socialist utopia is being deliberately blocked by these bas**rds in Brussels. So he's empowered Boris Johnson.

The Road to Hell eh? Paved with misunderstandings.

[Herbert Anchovy]

You’re both missing the point.

Firstly, I raised it to add a bit of equilibrium to a one sided thread

Secondly, as a little dig back at the ‘racist’ insinuation in the post by NNK. That claim is now almost as boring as it is offensive

Thirdly, to highlight the hypocrisy within the EU and their insistence that we adhere to their regulations after we leave.

Oh, and Billy, you’re way off the mark again. The Great British public in their wisdom put paid to my desire for a ‘socialist utopia’ not the EU. Hopefully that’s one of the misunderstandings on the road to hell thats cleared up for you.

[BillyStubbsTears]

HA.

1) Of COURSE the EU is going to require us to play by their rules. If we want a deal from them. That's blindingly obvious and always was.

If we don't want a deal with them,we are free to do just whatever we want.

Explain to me where the hypocrisy is in that.

Secondly. My point was that by enabling Brexit, you are responsible for elevating Johnson to No10. That's all it was ever about. You just helped pave the way for him.

Thirdly. You might want to consider your earlier post in the light of those numbers of cases I posted. And then question whether your criticism of the EU's dealing with state aid cases is justified.

[Herbert Anchovy]

HA.

1) Of COURSE the EU is going to require us to play by their rules. If we want a deal from them. That's blindingly obvious and always was.

If we don't want a deal with them,we are free to do just whatever we want.

Explain to me where the hypocrisy is in that.

Secondly. My point was that by enabling Brexit, you are responsible for elevating Johnson to No10. That's all it was ever about. You just helped pave the way for him.

Thirdly. You might want to consider your earlier post in the light of those numbers of cases I posted. And then question whether your criticism of the EU's dealing with state aid cases is justified.

Billy
Blindingly obvious? Since when? Because as far as I’m aware, the EU didn’t make any serious claims that the UK would be expected to adhere to such a large number of the regulations until very recently? They haven’t insisted on the same thing with their deals with Japan, Korea or Canada (which was the EU preferred deal in 2017) so why insist on something different for the UK? 

Could you imagine if the UK said to the EU “We will have a trade deal with you on the basis that we can set YOUR environment and social standards...”  You’d go berserk at the perceived arrogance of the UK.

If we don’t get a deal with the EU, then of course we are free to do what we want...and that clearly worries the EU.

As for shoe horning BJ into No’10...well as a leave voter I’ve been on the receiving end of some abuse over the years...a racist...a moron...a knuckle dragger...brainless...a fascist...etc, but being the man who put BJ into power is a new one that I can add to the list.

And no, I don’t need to reconsider my post on the EU policy on state aid.

[BillyStubbsTears]

HA.

Let's get this right. You think the EU should say: You want a preferential trade deal? No problem! And you also want to have the right to reduce workers' conditions, environmental standards and to subsidise your companies to allow them to undercut us? Yeah! Of course!"

Apply your brain. It's bleeding obvious and it also was that a trade deal would never be on offer without us agreeing to a common set of standards.

If you don't like those standards then fine. Walk away. And take the massive loss of economic activity that comes with it.

But wait a minute. YOU voted for this. Don't you think it was your responsibility to have thought about this potential outcome before you out your X down?

[wilts rover]

Sorry Herbert you are incorrect.

In the Political Declaration accompanying the Withdrawal Agreement, Johnson signed up to have a 'level playing field' on agriculture, food and environmental standards, workers rights and state aid.

He (and David Frost our negotiator) have since made it pefectly clear that he has no intention of honouring that pledge and the UK will follow whatever standards they decide they want to have now we have left.

Thus the EU now don't trust Johnson. He says one thing - and does another.

https://www.ft.com/content/89f784dc-595f-11ea-abe5-8e03987b7b20

[bpoolrover]

Are they not cuts to people that were getting  a certain percentage not everyone?

[Not Now Kato]

You’re both missing the point.

Firstly, I raised it to add a bit of equilibrium to a one sided thread

Secondly, as a little dig back at the ‘racist’ insinuation in the post by NNK. That claim is now almost as boring as it is offensive

Thirdly, to highlight the hypocrisy within the EU and their insistence that we adhere to their regulations after we leave.

Oh, and Billy, you’re way off the mark again. The Great British public in their wisdom put paid to my desire for a ‘socialist utopia’ not the EU. Hopefully that’s one of the misunderstandings on the road to hell thats cleared up for you.

What on earth is even remotely 'racist' in what I posted HA?  You're clearly seeing things that aren't there!
 
But much of the 'leave campaign' was openly racist - I don't remember you being critical about that though!
 
As a reminder to those who voted leave on that basis, let me give you Schrödinger's Immigrant....
 
Schrödinger's Immigrant. The one who is both stealing your job and claiming benefits for not having a job. All at the same time.
 
It's people voting on that basis you should be really worried about.

[Herbert Anchovy]

You’re both missing the point.

Firstly, I raised it to add a bit of equilibrium to a one sided thread

Secondly, as a little dig back at the ‘racist’ insinuation in the post by NNK. That claim is now almost as boring as it is offensive

Thirdly, to highlight the hypocrisy within the EU and their insistence that we adhere to their regulations after we leave.

Oh, and Billy, you’re way off the mark again. The Great British public in their wisdom put paid to my desire for a ‘socialist utopia’ not the EU. Hopefully that’s one of the misunderstandings on the road to hell thats cleared up for you.

What on earth is even remotely 'racist' in what I posted HA?  You're clearly seeing things that aren't there!
 
But much of the 'leave campaign' was openly racist - I don't remember you being critical about that though!
 
As a reminder to those who voted leave on that basis, let me give you Schrödinger's Immigrant....
 
Schrödinger's Immigrant. The one who is both stealing your job and claiming benefits for not having a job. All at the same time.
 
It's people voting on that basis you should be really worried about.

NNK

Quote from your post:

UK - We want a trade deal
 
India - And we want to vastly increase the number of Indians who can live in the UK
   
UK - We can't do that. Turns out we're, like, properly racist

 India - That is brand new information!!

Does this mean the UK is racist? Leaver voters are racist? Our Government is racist? Or none of the above?

I didn’t realise that I needed to be critical of the ‘racist leave campaign’. I hoped, and assumed, you’d take it as read that I didn’t agree with any of that nonsense. Being a leave voter, having the racist card thrown at you does come with the territory unfortunately. However, just for you NNK, here goes:

“As a former member of both the anti nazi league and Rock against racism, and as someone who has attended many anti racism demo’s in the past, including counter demo’s against the NF, I wholeheartedly oppose and disagree with any racist views, thoughts, actions and opinions, both inside and outside of the Brexit ‘debate’.

Ok?

[BillyStubbsTears]

HA.

I for one do not for a moment think you are racist.

What I DO think is that those on the Left who voted for Brexit were naive at the very best. I think you have unquestionably, if accidentally enabled and empowered racists. And I find that frustrating, because it was entirely predictable and predicted.

[Not Now Kato]

You’re both missing the point.

Firstly, I raised it to add a bit of equilibrium to a one sided thread

Secondly, as a little dig back at the ‘racist’ insinuation in the post by NNK. That claim is now almost as boring as it is offensive

Thirdly, to highlight the hypocrisy within the EU and their insistence that we adhere to their regulations after we leave.

Oh, and Billy, you’re way off the mark again. The Great British public in their wisdom put paid to my desire for a ‘socialist utopia’ not the EU. Hopefully that’s one of the misunderstandings on the road to hell thats cleared up for you.

What on earth is even remotely 'racist' in what I posted HA?  You're clearly seeing things that aren't there!
 
But much of the 'leave campaign' was openly racist - I don't remember you being critical about that though!
 
As a reminder to those who voted leave on that basis, let me give you Schrödinger's Immigrant....
 
Schrödinger's Immigrant. The one who is both stealing your job and claiming benefits for not having a job. All at the same time.
 
It's people voting on that basis you should be really worried about.

NNK

Quote from your post:

UK - We want a trade deal
 
India - And we want to vastly increase the number of Indians who can live in the UK
   
UK - We can't do that. Turns out we're, like, properly racist

 India - That is brand new information!!

Does this mean the UK is racist? Leaver voters are racist? Our Government is racist? Or none of the above?

I didn’t realise that I needed to be critical of the ‘racist leave campaign’. I hoped, and assumed, you’d take it as read that I didn’t agree with any of that nonsense. Being a leave voter, having the racist card thrown at you does come with the territory unfortunately. However, just for you NNK, here goes:

“As a former member of both the anti nazi league and Rock against racism, and as someone who has attended many anti racism demo’s in the past, including counter demo’s against the NF, I wholeheartedly oppose and disagree with any racist views, thoughts, actions and opinions, both inside and outside of the Brexit ‘debate’.

Ok?

We already know that many leave voters made their decision based on the racist propaganda of the leave campaigns - that's a given.  I personally know an awful lot of people who voted that way for that reason, heck I know one guy who won't watch BBC Breakfast TV if Naga Munchetti is on "because she's black"!
 
It's also clear that a number of members of our government is openly racist - again, you just have to look at the comments of people like Johnson when he talks about 'letterbox people', 'flag-waving piccaninnies', people with 'watermelon smiles', 'hook nosed Arabs' and mocking the Chinese in a Spectator article ‘Prease, sir,’ said the BA girl. ‘Prease come with me. I have found a better seat for you in row 52.’
 
So yes, I believe a large number of people in this country are indeed racist to some degree and that degree varies from person to person.
 
I take on board your previous stance on Nazism, the NF and Anti Racism and your current stance on racism, and from that I hope that you can now see that there is nothing in my earlier posting that is even remotely racist, merely a suggestion that many people in the UK are; and that that should be a worry for us all.

[selby]

  I really admire the solidarity and commitment most posting on here have to free movement and the European dream of one state, so much so I was wondering if any of you have considered having a couple of months off and showing real commitment and travelling to northern Italy and helping out with the situation there.

[idler]

  I really admire the solidarity and commitment most posting on here have to free movement and the European dream of one state, so much so I was wondering if any of you have considered having a couple of months off and showing real commitment and travelling to northern Italy and helping out with the situation there.

Selby, I don't think that this post does you any favours and will not appeal to many supporters of either side.
Just my opinion of course.

[Not Now Kato]

  I really admire the solidarity and commitment most posting on here have to free movement and the European dream of one state, so much so I was wondering if any of you have considered having a couple of months off and showing real commitment and travelling to northern Italy and helping out with the situation there.

Selby, I have benefited from the facility of free movement to work in the EU.  Sadly, that, and the ability to choose to be educated in an EU country has now been denied to my Grandchildren.  Do you think that is a good thing for them and their futures?
 
Your Italy comment is beneath contempt.  But then, you did vote leave didn't you!

[Herbert Anchovy]

HA.

I for one do not for a moment think you are racist.

What I DO think is that those on the Left who voted for Brexit were naive at the very best. I think you have unquestionably, if accidentally enabled and empowered racists. And I find that frustrating, because it was entirely predictable and predicted.

Billy

I agree that some racists have latched on to Brexit. However, that doesn’t meant that I shouldn’t commit to my democratic right to voting for the UK to leave the EU. Racists are more empowered by the result of the last election than by Brexit. If Labour had won the last election then we probably wouldn’t be having this conversation.,

[Herbert Anchovy]

You’re both missing the point.

Firstly, I raised it to add a bit of equilibrium to a one sided thread

Secondly, as a little dig back at the ‘racist’ insinuation in the post by NNK. That claim is now almost as boring as it is offensive

Thirdly, to highlight the hypocrisy within the EU and their insistence that we adhere to their regulations after we leave.

Oh, and Billy, you’re way off the mark again. The Great British public in their wisdom put paid to my desire for a ‘socialist utopia’ not the EU. Hopefully that’s one of the misunderstandings on the road to hell thats cleared up for you.

What on earth is even remotely 'racist' in what I posted HA?  You're clearly seeing things that aren't there!
 
But much of the 'leave campaign' was openly racist - I don't remember you being critical about that though!
 
As a reminder to those who voted leave on that basis, let me give you Schrödinger's Immigrant....
 
Schrödinger's Immigrant. The one who is both stealing your job and claiming benefits for not having a job. All at the same time.
 
It's people voting on that basis you should be really worried about.

NNK

Quote from your post:

UK - We want a trade deal
 
India - And we want to vastly increase the number of Indians who can live in the UK
   
UK - We can't do that. Turns out we're, like, properly racist

 India - That is brand new information!!

Does this mean the UK is racist? Leaver voters are racist? Our Government is racist? Or none of the above?

I didn’t realise that I needed to be critical of the ‘racist leave campaign’. I hoped, and assumed, you’d take it as read that I didn’t agree with any of that nonsense. Being a leave voter, having the racist card thrown at you does come with the territory unfortunately. However, just for you NNK, here goes:

“As a former member of both the anti nazi league and Rock against racism, and as someone who has attended many anti racism demo’s in the past, including counter demo’s against the NF, I wholeheartedly oppose and disagree with any racist views, thoughts, actions and opinions, both inside and outside of the Brexit ‘debate’.

Ok?

We already know that many leave voters made their decision based on the racist propaganda of the leave campaigns - that's a given.  I personally know an awful lot of people who voted that way for that reason, heck I know one guy who won't watch BBC Breakfast TV if Naga Munchetti is on "because she's black"!
 
It's also clear that a number of members of our government is openly racist - again, you just have to look at the comments of people like Johnson when he talks about 'letterbox people', 'flag-waving piccaninnies', people with 'watermelon smiles', 'hook nosed Arabs' and mocking the Chinese in a Spectator article ‘Prease, sir,’ said the BA girl. ‘Prease come with me. I have found a better seat for you in row 52.’
 
So yes, I believe a large number of people in this country are indeed racist to some degree and that degree varies from person to person.
 
I take on board your previous stance on Nazism, the NF and Anti Racism and your current stance on racism, and from that I hope that you can now see that there is nothing in my earlier posting that is even remotely racist, merely a suggestion that many people in the UK are; and that that should be a worry for us all.

Fair enough NNK

Of course there’s a significant number of racists in the UK and I’ve been fighting against that for most of my life. Has the UK become more racist since Brexit? I’m not sure, but what it has done has given these people a platform to spout their nonsense from and even more so with the Tory government that we have now.

I don’t feel that there’s necessarily more racists now. I’m old enough to remember the massive NF rallies in the 80’s in London. Passers by would cheer them on whilst attacking us in the much smaller counter demo. But I do agree that it has made some racists feel their views are legitimatised to a point.

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  I it goes along with people wishing older people to pass away posting on here Kato no doubt you will remember that buddy, somehow I didn't think anyone was that keen on  holidays in the promised land now.

[BillyStubbsTears]

HA.

I for one do not for a moment think you are racist.

What I DO think is that those on the Left who voted for Brexit were naive at the very best. I think you have unquestionably, if accidentally enabled and empowered racists. And I find that frustrating, because it was entirely predictable and predicted.

Billy

I agree that some racists have latched on to Brexit. However, that doesn’t meant that I shouldn’t commit to my democratic right to voting for the UK to leave the EU. Racists are more empowered by the result of the last election than by Brexit. If Labour had won the last election then we probably wouldn’t be having this conversation.,

Did you see the figures on the increase in the number of race hate crimes after the 2016 vote? It was obvious to anyone who looked at it that that would be a consequence. And yes, you absolutely had the right to vote however you wanted. Just as I have the right to remind you of the consequences of voting with your heart, not your head.