An alternative view - corona virus

[Bentley Bullet]

Actually, it was Louis Armstrong. It was there that he wrote 'What A Wonderful World' while looking down on Earth.

[knockers]

Who actually travelled on that double decker. I’ve seen the photo!

[BillyStubbsTears]

Glad I served your purpose Knockers

[Nudga]

Come on BST, lighten up, humour is good for the soul in trying times.
I've probably made a cock of myself on this thread but I couldn't give a toss.

My aim was to get people talking about the possibility of the dark forces at work (if they exist)
We know the most powerful people on earth are probably the most corrupt.

[Filo]

Come on BST, lighten up, humour is good for the soul in trying times.
I've probably made a cock of myself on this thread but I couldn't give a toss.

My aim was to get people talking about the possibility of the dark forces at work (if they exist)
We know the most powerful people on earth are probably the most corrupt.

The Rothschilds?

[knockers]

Glad I served your purpose Knockers

Seriously though a thorough analysis of people’s behaviour throughout the lockdown will be fascinating. It will definitely bring about a culture change in social and work place settings.

[Bentley Bullet]

Yes, if you ever see a potential mugger coming towards you in future all you have to do is cough and theyll f**k off sharpish.

[Nudga]

Glad I served your purpose Knockers

Seriously though a thorough analysis of people’s behaviour throughout the lockdown will be fascinating. It will definitely bring about a culture change in social and work place settings.

Suicides and domestic abuse figures should be interesting.

[silent majority]

Come on BST, lighten up, humour is good for the soul in trying times.
I've probably made a cock of myself on this thread but I couldn't give a toss.

My aim was to get people talking about the possibility of the dark forces at work (if they exist)
We know the most powerful people on earth are probably the most corrupt.

You need to follow the link I put in this thread then Nudga, some distinctly crackpot people in this twitter link;

https://www.drfc-vsc.co.uk/index.php?topic=276713.0

[auckleyflyer]

I think I preferred Nudga when I thought of him as some sort of debased pervert rather than the forum’s answer to David Icke.

Think the lucid state during and after an alfixiw**k accounts for half this thread 🤣

[Nudga]

Come on BST, lighten up, humour is good for the soul in trying times.
I've probably made a cock of myself on this thread but I couldn't give a toss.

My aim was to get people talking about the possibility of the dark forces at work (if they exist)
We know the most powerful people on earth are probably the most corrupt.

You need to follow the link I put in this thread then Nudga, some distinctly crackpot people in this twitter link;

https://www.drfc-vsc.co.uk/index.php?topic=276713.0

Yep, saw  that last week. Nothing to see there.

This however, follow the money.
https://twitter.com/DominicRaab/status/1253738273949827072?s=19

[BillyStubbsTears]

Come on BST, lighten up, humour is good for the soul in trying times.
I've probably made a cock of myself on this thread but I couldn't give a toss.

My aim was to get people talking about the possibility of the dark forces at work (if they exist)
We know the most powerful people on earth are probably the most corrupt.

You need to follow the link I put in this thread then Nudga, some distinctly crackpot people in this twitter link;

https://www.drfc-vsc.co.uk/index.php?topic=276713.0

Yep, saw  that last week. Nothing to see there.

This however, follow the money.
https://twitter.com/DominicRaab/status/1253738273949827072?s=19

Nudga.

This lockdown is going to cost the British economy £200bn min. in lost output.

Go figure.

[silent majority]

Come on BST, lighten up, humour is good for the soul in trying times.
I've probably made a cock of myself on this thread but I couldn't give a toss.

My aim was to get people talking about the possibility of the dark forces at work (if they exist)
We know the most powerful people on earth are probably the most corrupt.

You need to follow the link I put in this thread then Nudga, some distinctly crackpot people in this twitter link;

https://www.drfc-vsc.co.uk/index.php?topic=276713.0

Yep, saw  that last week. Nothing to see there.

This however, follow the money.
https://twitter.com/DominicRaab/status/1253738273949827072?s=19

You see, this is why I'm really struggling with all of this, no matter what side you look at, or where you look, there are people with such extreme views that having a sensible conversation is never going to happen.

That thread is full of people making out that Bill Gates is a killer, that the vaccine is designed just to make money, that the WHO is in on all this. The whole thing is puerile. Grown people looking to be outraged all the time.

Here's a couple of examples;

We don't want your dodgy vaccines thank you. Or thise of your corrupt power crazy friends

All in bed together ! Follow the money - we are not stupid !!!

So it seems that @DominicRaab
 is part of the globalist cabal intent on enslaving us.

[Nudga]

https://twitter.com/sabhlok/status/1255791097948835840?s=19

[BillyStubbsTears]

Nudga.

This talk about Sweden just ploughing on through. It's b*llocks. They HAVE had a lock down, they've just donw it without having to have it imposed on them.

The IMF reckons Sweden will take a bigger hit to GDP this year than we will.

Sweden -6.8%:
https://www.imf.org/en/Countries/SWE

UK -6.5%:
https://www.imf.org/en/Countries/GBR

[drfchound]

Sweden didn’t close its schools and most of their businesses remained open as usual.
They have advised social distancing and regular washing of hands etc but have not advised people to stay home.
That doesn’t look like a lockdown.

[Copps is Magic]

"The difference between the approach in Sweden and in other countries is not very big. It's mainly the tone that we deal with," said Johan Carlson, director of Sweden's public health agency

Universities, Colleges and some high schools did close in Sweden. It kept open primary schools and nurseries for the stated reason that key emergency service workers needed childcare. This happened in alot of other European countries as well.

At the end of March, Sweden started to become very worried itself about primary schools and nurseries, signing several executive orders giving it power to close them if needed, or on a case basis.

[BillyStubbsTears]

https://twitter.com/sabhlok/status/1255791097948835840?s=19

There is also something of a leap of logic between what the WHO guy actually said, and what yer man on Twitter claims he said.

[jucyberry]

Firstly, I hope you are all keeping safe and well in these terrible times..

Secondly, the daily tally of those who have perished... I believe it is an utter lie, my oldest friend lives in Gloucestershire and owns a security company. His firm takes care of a medical complex that contains both doctors and dentists, a large number of those through the doors are addicts so basically manning the reception desk is a job for security, each business has it's own dedicated reception in its own clinic.

Anyway I digress.. Each day he works I ask him for the total for the day and every single time the NHS total that he has access to is higher then the figure given by the WHO by up to 100 souls a day.


So, yes I do believe we are being lied to, and if we are ..then what else are they keeping from us?

[Not Now Kato]

Firstly, I hope you are all keeping safe and well in these terrible times..

Secondly, the daily tally of those who have perished... I believe it is an utter lie, my oldest friend lives in Gloucestershire and owns a security company. His firm takes care of a medical complex that contains both doctors and dentists, a large number of those through the doors are addicts so basically manning the reception desk is a job for security, each business has it's own dedicated reception in its own clinic.

Anyway I digress.. Each day he works I ask him for the total for the day and every single time the NHS total that he has access to is higher then the figure given by the WHO by up to 100 souls a day.


So, yes I do believe we are being lied to, and if we are ..then what else are they keeping from us?

The number of people who have recovered from the virus for a start!

[BillyStubbsTears]

Back on Sweden, I see their chief epidemiologist is saying that 25% of the population has now had the virus. That's about 2.5 million people.

That estimate certainly hasn't come from testing. They have a lower rate of testing even than us and have tested only about 1% of their population.

Given that they have had 2,600 deaths, it seems that the 2.5million estimate comes from an assumption that the Infection Fatality Rate is 0.1%. Their chief epidemiologist has frequently quoted that number.

Which is interesting because that is right at the very bottom of the range that has been quoted from serological studies that have been conducted to date.

I hope to God that he's right. Because if he is, this disease is much less deadly than we have been believing.

But it seems a bit hard to believe. As CiM pointed out a week ago, already CV-19 has killed more than 0.1% of all the residents in New York. So even if every single person in NYC had already had the disease, the IFR would already be above 0.1%.

Like I say, I'd love for Sweden to be right. But it's a massive gamble.

[Nudga]

Thanks for sharing Deb. Out on my travels I'm hearing stories of people being sent to Covid wards and told they have tested positive for the virus, even though they'd not been tested.
People dying of heart attacks, terminal cancer but signed off as Covid.
DNRs slapped here and there.

But it's OK though, the medical research graph specialist on here says it doesn't really matter what people are dying of.

Quote.
There's no need to look at individual cases. And to some extent it doesn't really matter precisely what people are dying of. Death rates are going up astronomically around the world.

Edit.

At least covid has been a cure of sorts for other diseases

[silent majority]

Here's an interesting article, good old David Icke;

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-52501453

[BillyStubbsTears]

Nudga.

Is it or is it not a fact that death rates are going up astronomically all round the world?

If you accept that, there are two possibilities.

1) There is a global pandemic causing mass deaths. The sort of thing that has happened regularly throughout history.
2) Something else is causing it and the leaders and scientists of every country in the world are engaged in a huge conspiracy to lie to us.

As for the quote of mine that you noted, it was poorly written. What I meant was to some extent it doesn't matter if every single cause of death is recorded accurately. Not if you are asking the question I just set out in this post.

[Nudga]

Here's an interesting article, good old David Icke;

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-52501453

That's not interesting, the bloke is irrelevant.

[Nudga]

Nudga.

Is it or is it not a fact that death rates are going up astronomically all round the world?

If you accept that, there are two possibilities.

1) There is a global pandemic causing mass deaths. The sort of thing that has happened regularly throughout history.
2) Something else is causing it and the leaders and scientists of every country in the world are engaged in a huge conspiracy to lie to us.

As for the quote of mine that you noted, it was poorly written. What I meant was to some extent it doesn't matter if every single cause of death is recorded accurately. Not if you are asking the question I just set out in this post.

You've just worded that differently. Why doesn't it matter if deaths aren't recorded accurately?
It's falsifying records, not sure how you can dress it up.
You scream blue murder for accuracy in your arguments.

[BillyStubbsTears]

I used the word "all". It is inevitable that there are going to be mistakes made when a crisis like this hits, there are twice as many deaths as usual and health services are stretched to the limit. As someone else said a few days ago, there are likely to be at least as many errors the other way.

What about my other point? Which of those two possibilities do you reckon is the more likely one to be true?

[Nudga]

I used the word "all". It is inevitable that there are going to be mistakes made when a crisis like this hits, there are twice as many deaths as usual and health services are stretched to the limit. As someone else said a few days ago, there are likely to be at least as many errors the other way.

What about my other point? Which of those two possibilities do you reckon is the more likely one to be true?

I don't know BST, I really don't. But something isn't right, can you see that?

I've had first hand accounts of people affected by this, and even those who have lost loved ones have some very serious issues and questions.
Even down to the methods of medical practice.

I haven't even wrote on here what I was told by a health professional so as to protect them and their career.
I don't care if you want proof of this conversation.

Things don't add up, even the bullshit story of BoJo having it.

[BillyStubbsTears]

Nudga.

At the very maximum around 1 person in 2000 in the UK has died in this epidemic.

The nearest it's come to me is a colleague of an old friend who died at the age of 40. Had all the symptoms of CV-19 apparently and was certified as having died of CV-19. I'm genuinely sorry for you if your circle of friends has had it a lot worse than this.

[NickDRFC]

I think I’ve (or at least my wife’s family has) been more affected than most. My mother in law’s sister was in hospital having had a hip replacement around the time lockdown started and tested positive after being in there. Didn’t really have any symptoms other than a bit of breathing difficulty (although she has lung cancer anyway) and feeling overwhelmingly tired. She recovered and was discharged but is back in hospital now with an unrelated infection. My father in law has a brain tumour and has been on chemo for the best part of a year, 2 carers coming round every day and went in to hospital just over a fortnight ago after having breathing difficulties. He tested positive and has been in receiving oxygen ever since.

Having seen (well ok, not “seen”!) first hand the impact this has had and the response (the communication from the hospital with my father in law has been absolutely first rate) I’ve no issues with the medical response.