Track and Trace

[Not Now Kato]

I couldnt help it


However, in March 2015, Shapps admitted to having had a second job whilst being an MP, and practising business under a pseudonym. In his admission, he stated that he had "over-firmly denied" having a second job.

How can anybody this corrupt be in the Government - he should be nearer a Jail than a Cabinet posting

Over firmly denying Johnson sounds too cumbersone so I will stick to Liar Johnson for now

This is what we've allowed to become the norm in this country!  But will Tory voters own up to it?  I very much doubt it!

[SydneyRover]

One for all and all for one, we're all in thiis together ................. except when we're not

supporting this government is fraught with danger because inevitably they'll let you down.

''NHS Covid app developers 'tried to block rival symptom trackers'

Developers claim government technology unit was hostile to other groups, hampering the fight against the disease''

https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2020/jun/20/nhs-covid-app-developers-tried-to-block-rival-symptom-trackers

[SydneyRover]

I missed this from the other week which is a splainer about the Aus Covid app.

Australia's Covidsafe coronavirus tracing app works as few as one in four times for some devices
The true state of the operation of the Covid safe contact tracing app has been revealed in documents tabled in the Senate

https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2020/jun/17/covid-safe-app-australia-covidsafe-contact-tracing-australian-government-covid19-tracking-problems-working

[SydneyRover]

And also to give you an idea how the contract tracing loads up the system very quickly there are separate contact tracing teams in each state (who knew?) In Victoria there are 1000 working around the clock so 6 hour shift 250/shift or 333 on an 8 hour shift roster, details unavailable.

This team is now at capacity.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-06-29/victorian-coronavirus-second-peak-melbourne-hotspots/12402126

https://www.premier.vic.gov.au/more-disease-detectives-to-help-fight-coronavirus/

Added:

The Federal Health Minister has just stated that other states are now helping out with T&T.

[BillyStubbsTears]

I've had to read this 5 times to make sure it says what I think it says.

https://mobile.twitter.com/justinmadders/status/1278257062561153024/photo/1

We have a contract with a private company to perform CV-19 tests. And nowhere in the contract does it obligate them to provide that data to PHE or local authorities?

What?

[BillyStubbsTears]

So Leicester has had an outbreak that was clear in the Pillar 2 data from the start of June. But the local authority was only given that data last Thursday.

https://mobile.twitter.com/SteveBonham8/status/1278262779070353408

[SydneyRover]

If PHE have the information they are not disseminating it to council level?

[Not Now Kato]

I've had to read this 5 times to make sure it says what I think it says.

https://mobile.twitter.com/justinmadders/status/1278257062561153024/photo/1

We have a contract with a private company to perform CV-19 tests. And nowhere in the contract does it obligate them to provide that data to PHE or local authorities?

What?

Yet one more government blunder in this sorry chapter of events, but made worse as their incompetence is playing with peoples lives and livelihoods!

 

[SydneyRover]

PMQs

Starmer says he supports the Leicester lockdown. But the 4,000 businesses in the city won’t accept the govdernment acted quickly enough.

He asks why Leicester did not get the pillar 2 testing information. (See 11.37am.) There was a lost week. Will the PM ensure that other cities are not put in the same position?

Johnson says Starmer is mistaken. Pillar 2 information was shared, he says.

He says there were particular problems in Leicester.

Johnson give an answer but hints at problems, I don't understand why johnson doesn't say what the problem was?

[idler]

There are rumours Bradford could be next. That will really annoy me if it happens after 12 weeks of being careful and having our shopping done for us.

[BillyStubbsTears]

PMQs

Starmer says he supports the Leicester lockdown. But the 4,000 businesses in the city won’t accept the govdernment acted quickly enough.

He asks why Leicester did not get the pillar 2 testing information. (See 11.37am.) There was a lost week. Will the PM ensure that other cities are not put in the same position?

Johnson says Starmer is mistaken. Pillar 2 information was shared, he says.

He says there were particular problems in Leicester.

Johnson give an answer but hints at problems, I don't understand why johnson doesn't say what the problem was?

R4's More or Less programme which looks into use of data and statistics this morning basically said that Johnson lied (or at best, was highly and deliberately deceptive) at last week's PMQs on the issue of how many and when patients were moved from NHS beds to care homes.

If I were a snowflake, I'd now be demanding apologies from the people who were saying I was wrong on that topic last week, but it's water off a duck's back.

This entire episode is well worth listening to, but the bit I refer to above starts from about 12:40.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/play/m000kfpy

[albie]

FT has a free article on the data sharing (or not) in Leicester;
https://www.ft.com/content/301c847c-a317-4950-a75b-8e66933d423a

Why the UK did not use existing networks to full capability, rather than re-inventing the wheel, is a crucial question.

Is it about creating a parallel structure alongside NHS systems to enable a transfer over time to private providers, I wonder?

[BillyStubbsTears]

FT has a free article on the data sharing (or not) in Leicester;
https://www.ft.com/content/301c847c-a317-4950-a75b-8e66933d423a

Why the UK did not use existing networks to full capability, rather than re-inventing the wheel, is a crucial question.

Is it about creating a parallel structure alongside NHS systems to enable a transfer over time to private providers, I wonder?

Fits Cummings's MO. Break the existing systems and replace them with ones that do what he wants.

[MachoMadness]

There are rumours Bradford could be next. That will really annoy me if it happens after 12 weeks of being careful and having our shopping done for us.

Seeing that reported, idler. Look after yourself over there. Same to Tyke if he reads this, as apparently Barnsley is another hotspot I'm seeing reported.

[ian1980]

Here is the “league table” being published by Sky News

Interesting how far down Doncaster is given the panic earlier this week about us being next on the local lockdown list

[BillyStubbsTears]

Here is the “league table” being published by Sky News

Interesting how far down Doncaster is given the panic earlier this week about us being next on the local lockdown list

It'll be some t**t in London who confused us with Barnsley cos we're all "oop north".

[big fat yorkshire pudding]

There are clearly issues with these statistics.

 1. Don't publish them if they can't be used for correct analysis and interpretation.  Why PHE do this is beyond me, raw data unchecked can be dangerous.

2. The media should be more responsible than drawing completely incorrect conclusions, including so called experts like Ferguson creating incorrect headlines.

Overall it's very dangerous.

[BillyStubbsTears]

Here is the “league table” being published by Sky News

Interesting how far down Doncaster is given the panic earlier this week about us being next on the local lockdown list

It'll be some t**t in London who confused us with Barnsley cos we're all "oop north".

Ha! I hadn't seen this when I posted earlier.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-leeds-53235015

[SydneyRover]

I thought johnson had said T&T was going well in PMQs earlier this week in reply to KS question?


Test and trace fails to reach quarter of contacts

Worrying report about the failure of the NHS test and trace system: new figures have revealed that it has failed to reach a quarter of contacts.

A total of 27,125 people who tested positive for Covid-19 in England had their case transferred to the NHS test and trace contact tracing system during the first four weeks of its operation, according to figures from the Department of Health & Social Care.

However, only 20,039 people (74%) were reached and asked to provide details of recent contacts, while 6,245 people (23%) were not reached. A further 841 people (3%) could not be reached because their communication details had not been provided.

Despite this, a total of 132,525 people who had been identified as recent close contacts of people who had tested positive for Covid-19 were reached through the tracing system and asked to self-isolate. This was 86% out of a total of 153,442 identified contacts.

The figures cover the period May 28 to June 24.

[albie]

HanCockUp to face legal challenge over T+T data;
https://www.wired.co.uk/article/nhs-test-and-trace-data-protection

Fiasco inside a shambles!

[albie]

FT has a free article on the data sharing (or not) in Leicester;
https://www.ft.com/content/301c847c-a317-4950-a75b-8e66933d423a

Why the UK did not use existing networks to full capability, rather than re-inventing the wheel, is a crucial question.

Is it about creating a parallel structure alongside NHS systems to enable a transfer over time to private providers, I wonder?

Fits Cummings's MO. Break the existing systems and replace them with ones that do what he wants.

Right on cue, the plan unfolds;
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/jul/02/uk-set-to-award-covid-19-testing-contracts-worth-5bn-to-private-bidders

Using the Covid crisis as a cover to shift the centre of gravity within the NHS to a proprietary model.
Anyone who still thinks that President Cummings intends to preserve and improve the NHS is living in cloud cuckoo land.

[BillyStubbsTears]

Here is the “league table” being published by Sky News

Interesting how far down Doncaster is given the panic earlier this week about us being next on the local lockdown list

It'll be some t**t in London who confused us with Barnsley cos we're all "oop north".

Ha! I hadn't seen this when I posted earlier.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-leeds-53235015

And another one.

https://www.thestar.co.uk/health/coronavirus/boris-johnson-mocked-he-appears-confuse-sheffield-leicester-briefing-local-lockdowns-2903890?amp

And to think. Some poor lambs who voted for them genuinely believe they are interested in the North. Bless!

[Ldr]

Some of you genuinely believe Doncaster is in the North bless, love Newcastle

[ravenrover]

Depends whose version of North you are referring to

[SydneyRover]

It's no wonder track & trace isn't working then the ministry struggle with Google Earth, it also explains why there is little money spent north of Watford Gap 

[Donnywolf]

Some of you genuinely believe Doncaster is in the North bless, love Newcastle

Yes it is really "in the Midlands" but could scrape into the north by this definition

Very loosely I chose the places Coldstream where England become Scotland and Brighton where England becomes the sea because they were as far South and as far North as I could go in England (in a roughly straight line)

The distance between them is 406 Miles so half that 203 and that will be somewhere between Newark and Tuxford (Tuxford is 210). So geographically we are half way up England but if you draw the North South divide line at Tuxford we are above the line in the Northern half

Have I nothing better do do - honestly let me go make another tea

[SydneyRover]

I haven't checked this all out myself yet Wolf

''New centre of England marked in Fenny Drayton. For more than 500 years Meriden, near Coventry has marked the traditional centre of England. However, the Ordnance Survey has calculated the exact geographical centre to be in a field at Lindley Hall Farm, in Fenny Drayton, Leicestershire''

https://www.bbc.com/news/av/uk-england-leicestershire-22901222/new-centre-of-england-marked-in-fenny-drayton#:~:text=Exit%20player-,New%20centre%20of%20England%20marked%20in%20Fenny%20Drayton,%2C%20in%20Fenny%20Drayton%2C%20Leicestershire.

Centre points of the United Kingdom

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Centre_points_of_the_United_Kingdom

[Donnywolf]

Yes that checks out and we are comfotably northerners then

I was only "aiming" for a North South divide and another way of doing it ?

Coldstream sits at 55.65 North

Brighton sits at 50.50 North

So the mid point between the two would be 53.08 North and Donny sits at 53.51 North comfortably above the North South divide

Collingham (good fishing spot on River Trent) sits at 53.08 so I will draw the line there - and indeed draw the line on my inputs lol

[SydneyRover]

I like this decription from the wiki link

''Put simply, the centroid is the point at which a cardboard cut-out of the area could be perfectly balanced on the tip of a pencil.[4] Islands are assumed fixed to the mainland in their precise position by invisible rigid weightless wires. A mathematical method is used to do the balancing to a much greater accuracy than the practical method could achieve''

[BillyStubbsTears]

Hmmm.

Someone here is telling porkies on illegal use of track and trace patient data.

Either Matt Hancock's Dept of Health.
https://twitter.com/DHSCgovuk/status/1285148041117405184

Or The Times.
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EdXLVkJWoAAkBJ7?format=png&name=900x900
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/coronavirus-contact-tracers-sharing-patients-data-on-whatsapp-and-facebook-rg3zqn5l6