Priti Patel

[belton rover]

But you’ll thank me for it. Have a great weekend.

[wilts rover]

I heard the Morgan family lawyer interviewed on the radio today. It's not been clipped up but what he said was very similar to his Sky interview.

It's an independent report and no-one other than the panel has a responsibility to change or ammend it - as set by its terms of reference. Should Patel seek to do so then there is a case for taking this to the High Court to stop her and have it released un-redacted.

The surmission is that the Home Office were involved in the police corruption and the cover-up of the murder - as were newspaper journalists and editors of the time. One of whom may have gone on to be employed as an advisor by a Tory PM - and she wishes to remove any reference to this.

https://news.sky.com/story/daniel-morgan-priti-patel-accused-of-ignorance-after-report-into-private-detectives-murder-delayed-12310637

[BillyStubbsTears]

That'll be Coulson presumably?

[belton rover]

It sounds like this could be even bigger than first imagined, Wilts.
Let’s hope that whatever the HO’s reasons are to get involved, underhand or not, the truth comes out in the end

[wilts rover]

Peter Jukes has been following this case for a long time, even written a book about it. This is his take on why Patel has acted as she did:

https://bylinetimes.com/2021/05/19/did-murdoch-or-the-met-delay-the-daniel-morgan-independent-panel-report/

[SydneyRover]

Leveson 2, now.

[BillyStubbsTears]

Interesting reading Wilts. I hadn't realised the report was delivered to the HO last Friday. Makes you wonder why Patel says she hasn't seen it yet. It's not like she's been overwhelmed with work. She had a carefully staged photo op at a police raid on a gang of immigrant-smugglers yesterday. Important police work of course, although what benefit there was in the Home Secretary being there looking like the Grim Reaper is anyone's guess.

https://mobile.twitter.com/pritipatel/status/1395329315198455812?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Etweet

[BobG]

Why on Earth are some people unable to grasp the concept of 'discussion'? When folk are devoted to 'opinion' masquerading as fact, and even worse, lose their cool when their opinion is challenged by a contrary fact, you know that the ability of this country to make reasoned and rational decisions is on the way to being well and truly buggered.

You can have huge (HUGE!) disagreements and remain friends. My best mate is a right wing conservative Cabinet Member in Milton Keynes yet he and I have not 'argued' in 30 odd years. We debate, all the time. We discuss. We advance verifiable reasons for our respective positions and we challenge each other, hard, when fact is supplanted by opinion. The end result does not change the fundamental value systems and beliefs of either of us, but it certainly does modify the analysis of issues, of causes and of effects. And it is all done without rancour. We both learn from it and we both become better informed. That is the whole bloody purpose of any discussion!

As for your idiocy above Belton, I feel sorry that you have had to resort to such childish behaviour.

BobG

[belton rover]

And what do you form your opinion of my idiocy on, Bob, if it’s not the facts put in front of you?

It is of my opinion that you are THE most obnoxious, belittling, arrogant poster on this forum. I form that opinion by looking at the facts presented in your words. I might be wrong, of course, but these are the only facts I have to work with.

As for opinion masquerading as fact, you are the master of this technique. You’re brilliant at it. Second to none.

You are of course the man who calls people ‘illiterate’ for writing ‘of’ instead of ‘have’.

And please, don’t feel sorry for me.

[albie]

Good Law Project now revealing Patel is in up to the neck in the PPE corruption deals;
https://goodlawproject.org/patel-mirza-and-the-middlemen/

Fasten your seatbelts!

[BillyStubbsTears]

So the Morgan report is apparently coming out today.

[SydneyRover]

So the Morgan report is apparently coming out today.

''The official inquiry investigating his death sent warning letters to people facing criticism in its long-awaited report, which is due to be published on Tuesday''

like they'll be surprised

[SydneyRover]

So the Morgan report is apparently coming out today.

It's out and looking like Cressida Dicks position is untenable

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2021/jun/15/daniel-morgan-met-chief-censured-for-hampering-corruption-inquiry

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-57484219

[albie]

This is a government where no one is expected to resign, whatever the offence that is exposed.
So I would be surprised if Patel or Dick walked the plank over anything, to be honest.

In the background, Patel is working to criminalise journalism;
https://www.dailymaverick.co.za/article/2021-06-15-priti-patels-new-threat-to-british-journalists/

This is outrageous, and would extend government control over what is reported, how and by whom.
Fundamental attack on the idea of a democratic society.

Do feel free to disagree, with reasons!

[wilts rover]

Patel is a personal friend of Rupert Murdoch and was a guest at his wedding to Jerry Hall a couple of years back.

I doubt very much she will be criminalising all journalists - just Rupert's competition...

[BillyStubbsTears]

This is a government where no one is expected to resign, whatever the offence that is exposed.
So I would be surprised if Patel or Dick walked the plank over anything, to be honest.

In the background, Patel is working to criminalise journalism;
https://www.dailymaverick.co.za/article/2021-06-15-priti-patels-new-threat-to-british-journalists/

This is outrageous, and would extend government control over what is reported, how and by whom.
Fundamental attack on the idea of a democratic society.

Do feel free to disagree, with reasons!

Bang on Albie.

This summarises just how unaccountable this Govt is.

https://mainlymacro.blogspot.com/2021/06/a-government-out-of-control.html?m=1

Johnson has only been in power 2 years but there have already been 5-6 instances where in normal times a minister would be sacked. Every one of those has been glossed over.

You can't overstate how far from normal this is. We are going down a very bleak road.

[SydneyRover]

As you were!

''Don’t bet on Cressida Dick resigning over Daniel Morgan findings
Analysis: a police commissioner with nine lives, Dick is no stranger to surviving a public-relations disaster''

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2021/jun/15/dont-bet-on-cressida-dick-resigning-over-daniel-morgan-findings

[SydneyRover]

When you look at the failures of the met recently and further back there is a genuine argument to be had that it needs to be disbanded, broken up and rebuilt so that it protects and serves the people rather than itself. This could be a catalyst for change to the force across the UK, when failures in areas such as undercover officers, Hillsborough and many many other failures including the latest report. They certainly cannot be trusted in any way to investigate themselves.

''Revealed: the grim list of sex abuse claims against Metropolitan police
The force upheld 119 cases among 600 complaints; they included an officer who was sacked after having sex with a rape victim''

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2021/mar/20/revealed-the-grim-list-of-sex-abuse-claims-against-metropolitan-police

[BillyStubbsTears]

I hadn't thought of this but suddenly a picture emerges.

https://mobile.twitter.com/RichardJMurphy/status/1404865007096111105

Dick is accused by the authors of the Morgan Report of systematically undermining them by blocking their access to key evidence.

In the Vote Leave case, the Electoral Commission gathered a file of evidence on how VL broke electoral law, including setting up front organisations to illegally channel hundreds of thousands of pounds of advertising funding through. They passed it on to the Met for investigation. The Met sat on it for two years then announced it had ended its investigation and wouldn't pursue it further. The Met has never given any explanation for this decision which, prima facie looks bizarre.[1]

The whole edifice looks rotten to the core. Police defending politicians who in return defend the police.

[1] The core allegation was that VL had reached its legal spending limit. Coincidentally, a new organisation BeLeave sprang out of nowhere with £600k in the bank. It funnelled that into aggressive Leave advertising aimed at young voters. It was run by two young activists whose balls had barely dropped and who had previously worked for VL. But Dick decided there was no case to answer.

[GazLaz]

Cressida Dick is “H” then.

[SydneyRover]

She's certainly a protected species, there are shed loads of disasters with her directly in charge and loads more on her watch.

[normal rules]

I can imagine the conversation between Patel and Dick now.

Patel. It may be in the public interest and the integrity of us all if you stepped down Cressida.

Dick. If I go I’m taking the lot of you with me.

Patel. Hmm. Ok, if you put it that way, let’s ride out the storm.

[BillyStubbsTears]

Peter Jukes has been following this case for a long time, even written a book about it. This is his take on why Patel has acted as she did:

https://bylinetimes.com/2021/05/19/did-murdoch-or-the-met-delay-the-daniel-morgan-independent-panel-report/

Seen what's happened to Jukes this weekend?

A bunch of far right social media vigilantes have been spreading claims that he's a child abuser. Attempted character assassination.

https://www.crowdjustice.com/case/peter-jukes/

We aren't (yet) at the position they have in Russia, where campaigning journalists are killed or imprisoned. But there is a chilling process at work in this country, with the far right trying to scare off anyone who digs into their cess pit.

[wilts rover]

Yes I saw that. I also saw what happened to Nicholas Watt during the week.

I keep saying that this government has now enabled and for some part embraced fascism. And still some people mock.

[BillyStubbsTears]

And as the Culture War goes on, our Culture Secretary is berating companies for choosing not to advertise on the new far right TV news channel.

[Glyn_Wigley]

So much for the Free Market, eh?

[albie]

Those abusing Jukes on social media are going to get their arse fried in court.

They should have deep pockets if they are going to make false claims.
Be interesting to see if they reach an out of court settlement first, like Elon Musk.

I bet the social media companies are regretting giving them a platform.

They could have been put up to it, of course, by someone who can afford to pay if they take the hit on his behalf. Wouldn't be the first time!

[BillyStubbsTears]

So much for the Free Market, eh?

GB News.
"We stand for the sanctity of freedom. That is, until you use your freedom to choose to ignore us. Then you are a fascist."

[Filo]

This is corruption on an industrial scale

https://twitter.com/richardnewby3/status/1414570687616978946?s=21

[Glyn_Wigley]

This is corruption on an industrial scale

https://twitter.com/richardnewby3/status/1414570687616978946?s=21

I thought witness tampering was a criminal offence?