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That is what the parliament is for, debating an issue and coming to a conclusion and having a democratic vote on the issue. Even more important is to accept the result of a democratic vote, in spite of what side of the house you sit on, and for the members of the house to vote with their own conscience on the subject. The problem has been that the opposition parties for the last four years have not done this but have undermined the government and democracy in this country trying to gain power for themselves against the wishes of the electorate by using the Brexit situation for the Labour parties ultimate ambition to govern.
Quote from: selby on June 24, 2020, 10:27:10 am That is what the parliament is for, debating an issue and coming to a conclusion and having a democratic vote on the issue. Even more important is to accept the result of a democratic vote, in spite of what side of the house you sit on, and for the members of the house to vote with their own conscience on the subject. The problem has been that the opposition parties for the last four years have not done this but have undermined the government and democracy in this country trying to gain power for themselves against the wishes of the electorate by using the Brexit situation for the Labour parties ultimate ambition to govern.If Johnson,Rees-Mogg, Francois et al had supported the May withdrawal agreement, it would have passed in January 2019.Blaming the opposition for voting against a Brexit that was far harder than anything ever discussed in 2016, and accusing them.of being undemocratic is just stupid, to be honest. You fall into the trap that the right of the Tory party have led you into.
Quote from: BillyStubbsTears on June 24, 2020, 11:33:38 amQuote from: selby on June 24, 2020, 10:27:10 am That is what the parliament is for, debating an issue and coming to a conclusion and having a democratic vote on the issue. Even more important is to accept the result of a democratic vote, in spite of what side of the house you sit on, and for the members of the house to vote with their own conscience on the subject. The problem has been that the opposition parties for the last four years have not done this but have undermined the government and democracy in this country trying to gain power for themselves against the wishes of the electorate by using the Brexit situation for the Labour parties ultimate ambition to govern.If Johnson,Rees-Mogg, Francois et al had supported the May withdrawal agreement, it would have passed in January 2019.Blaming the opposition for voting against a Brexit that was far harder than anything ever discussed in 2016, and accusing them.of being undemocratic is just stupid, to be honest. You fall into the trap that the right of the Tory party have led you into. I think the problem is, Billy, that people like selby recognise they've been mugged but think it's somehow a weakness to admit it - so they look to pass the blame onto anything and anyone they can for the mess they were conned into being made.
Quote from: BillyStubbsTears on June 24, 2020, 11:33:38 amQuote from: selby on June 24, 2020, 10:27:10 am That is what the parliament is for, debating an issue and coming to a conclusion and having a democratic vote on the issue. Even more important is to accept the result of a democratic vote, in spite of what side of the house you sit on, and for the members of the house to vote with their own conscience on the subject. The problem has been that the opposition parties for the last four years have not done this but have undermined the government and democracy in this country trying to gain power for themselves against the wishes of the electorate by using the Brexit situation for the Labour parties ultimate ambition to govern.If Johnson,Rees-Mogg, Francois et al had supported the May withdrawal agreement, it would have passed in January 2019.Blaming the opposition for voting against a Brexit that was far harder than anything ever discussed in 2016, and accusing them.of being undemocratic is just stupid, to be honest. You fall into the trap that the right of the Tory party have led you into.Wasn't the real reason for them not supporting May just the start of their power grab?
Quote from: Not Now Kato on June 24, 2020, 11:48:18 amQuote from: BillyStubbsTears on June 24, 2020, 11:33:38 amQuote from: selby on June 24, 2020, 10:27:10 am That is what the parliament is for, debating an issue and coming to a conclusion and having a democratic vote on the issue. Even more important is to accept the result of a democratic vote, in spite of what side of the house you sit on, and for the members of the house to vote with their own conscience on the subject. The problem has been that the opposition parties for the last four years have not done this but have undermined the government and democracy in this country trying to gain power for themselves against the wishes of the electorate by using the Brexit situation for the Labour parties ultimate ambition to govern.If Johnson,Rees-Mogg, Francois et al had supported the May withdrawal agreement, it would have passed in January 2019.Blaming the opposition for voting against a Brexit that was far harder than anything ever discussed in 2016, and accusing them.of being undemocratic is just stupid, to be honest. You fall into the trap that the right of the Tory party have led you into. I think the problem is, Billy, that people like selby recognise they've been mugged but think it's somehow a weakness to admit it - so they look to pass the blame onto anything and anyone they can for the mess they were conned into being made.Well, no. People like Selby aren't smart enough to understand they've been mugged even when it's repeatedly explained to them and supported by facts. That is why he comes on here spouting the bile and bullshit that he does.
Quote from: i_ateallthepies on June 24, 2020, 05:58:02 pmQuote from: Not Now Kato on June 24, 2020, 11:48:18 amQuote from: BillyStubbsTears on June 24, 2020, 11:33:38 amQuote from: selby on June 24, 2020, 10:27:10 am That is what the parliament is for, debating an issue and coming to a conclusion and having a democratic vote on the issue. Even more important is to accept the result of a democratic vote, in spite of what side of the house you sit on, and for the members of the house to vote with their own conscience on the subject. The problem has been that the opposition parties for the last four years have not done this but have undermined the government and democracy in this country trying to gain power for themselves against the wishes of the electorate by using the Brexit situation for the Labour parties ultimate ambition to govern.If Johnson,Rees-Mogg, Francois et al had supported the May withdrawal agreement, it would have passed in January 2019.Blaming the opposition for voting against a Brexit that was far harder than anything ever discussed in 2016, and accusing them.of being undemocratic is just stupid, to be honest. You fall into the trap that the right of the Tory party have led you into. I think the problem is, Billy, that people like selby recognise they've been mugged but think it's somehow a weakness to admit it - so they look to pass the blame onto anything and anyone they can for the mess they were conned into being made.Well, no. People like Selby aren't smart enough to understand they've been mugged even when it's repeatedly explained to them and supported by facts. That is why he comes on here spouting the bile and bullshit that he does.Sorry pies, no, that's uncalled for.I disagree with selby on numerous points (please see above post for details) but there is no need to attack him personally. Just because you disagree with someone that doesn't make them unintelligent.I like to think selby is more a political zealot, blinded by his ideology, than anything else.Then again, I've been wrong before.