Wigan and Owls

[ravenrover]

Just saw a headline neither will be relegated this year by points deduction

"Wigan and Sheffield Wednesday are set to avoid relegation from the Championship as a result of their financial dealings with any points deductions imposed by the EFL's independent panel to be applied next season."

[Metalmicky]

If true, then Hull are down....

[Branton Rover]

Boo-hoo

[IDM]

Just saw a headline neither will be relegated this year by points deduction

"Wigan and Sheffield Wednesday are set to avoid relegation from the Championship as a result of their financial dealings with any points deductions imposed by the EFL's independent panel to be applied next season."

Where did you see this.?

[Branton Rover]

I’ve saw it Mail online

[DonnyBazR0ver]

My take on it is that decision is likely if it becomes certain the points deduction won't relegate them this season.

[andy didcott]

False statement, relegation will be sorted after wednesdays games.

[Wiltshire Exile]

I’ve saw it Mail online

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-8540267/Championship-clubs-unsure-relegated-no-decision-Wigans-appeal-imminent.html

On Radio 5 Live this evening it was announced that, at the end of the season this Wednesday, Wigan will be given a 12 point penalty, which will be subject to appeal.

[DonnyBazR0ver]

Yes, they will be deducted points (subject to appeal) but EFL will decide when to apply it, this season or next.

[Colemans Left Hook]

i have always felt sorry for Wednesday over the years the ground has had an "albatross around it" since the "disaster" they simply could not move to a new ground , if they had wanted to .

I remember their owner (owns John West etc) saying many years ago he would put more money in but for fair play rules . Yes they have wasted fortunes since his arrival.

Years ago the banks sold their buildings and leased them back, the hospitals with pfi have done the same

it seems he "bought the ground and leased it back" which is done all the time in business. (as above)

I would suggest in his defence he pointed out because in a way, the ground should be declared something down the lines of "of special importance" due to the" Liverpool supporters memories etc " just like buildings are listed.

to repeat you cannot bulldoze the area --  hence the "monetary" value of the ground is limited because it would never get planning permission / permission for change of use or whatever they do when a club seeks to move .

 

[BillyStubbsTears]

Sheffield Wednesday missed a massive opportunity in 1990.

Hillsborough was (and still is) the very definition of the death-trap stadium s tat we had allowed to become the norm. The 1989 disaster happened there, but anyone who had attended capacity crowds at large stadiums (like us at Goodison, 4years before) knew with hindsight that it was going to happen somewhere, someday.

But it happened at Hillsborough. Nowhere else.

And once it had happened, that ground should have been closed down as a symbol of football facing up to its responsibilities.

The timing would have been perfect. Sheffield had just won the World Student Games and the Council was putting millions into a new stadium in a much more amenable setting. Sheffield Wednesday could have ridden the start of a wave by shutting down the rotting hulk of Hillsborough and moving to a fell-funded, future-proof Don Valley Stadium.

Instead they decided to stay in the past and invested in patching up the scene of an atrocity.

They have spiralled down ever since. Karma, perhaps...

[Herbert Anchovy]

Sheffield Wednesday missed a massive opportunity in 1990.

Hillsborough was (and still is) the very definition of the death-trap stadium s tat we had allowed to become the norm. The 1989 disaster happened there, but anyone who had attended capacity crowds at large stadiums (like us at Goodison, 4years before) knew with hindsight that it was going to happen somewhere, someday.

But it happened at Hillsborough. Nowhere else.

And once it had happened, that ground should have been closed down as a symbol of football facing up to its responsibilities.

The timing would have been perfect. Sheffield had just won the World Student Games and the Council was putting millions into a new stadium in a much more amenable setting. Sheffield Wednesday could have ridden the start of a wave by shutting down the rotting hulk of Hillsborough and moving to a fell-funded, future-proof Don Valley Stadium.

Instead they decided to stay in the past and invested in patching up the scene of an atrocity.

They have spiralled down ever since. Karma, perhaps...

That is a very, very good point.

[IDM]

I don’t agree that the stadium land cannot be re used.  I would definitely advocate a good sized permanent memorial park at the leppings lane end.

[silent majority]

Sheffield Wednesday missed a massive opportunity in 1990.

Hillsborough was (and still is) the very definition of the death-trap stadium s tat we had allowed to become the norm. The 1989 disaster happened there, but anyone who had attended capacity crowds at large stadiums (like us at Goodison, 4years before) knew with hindsight that it was going to happen somewhere, someday.

But it happened at Hillsborough. Nowhere else.

And once it had happened, that ground should have been closed down as a symbol of football facing up to its responsibilities.

The timing would have been perfect. Sheffield had just won the World Student Games and the Council was putting millions into a new stadium in a much more amenable setting. Sheffield Wednesday could have ridden the start of a wave by shutting down the rotting hulk of Hillsborough and moving to a fell-funded, future-proof Don Valley Stadium.

Instead they decided to stay in the past and invested in patching up the scene of an atrocity.

They have spiralled down ever since. Karma, perhaps...

Some good points BST. Even more so when you consider the fuss we've had with SWFC this last season. When I say we I speak as the Chair of the SYP Independent Advisory Group who had a part to play this last season when a safety certificate was being withdrawn on the eve of the season starting. Despite our best efforts to create a safer environment for supporters at the Leppings Lane end the club argued, wriggled and fought until they persuaded a court that the prohibition notice was invalid. I have no respect for that position at all.

https://www.thestar.co.uk/news/people/sheffield-wednesday-lodges-appeal-over-prohibition-notice-491036

[silent majority]

EFL statement is here;

https://www.efl.com/news/2020/july/efl-statement-ongoing-disciplinary-proceedings/

[IDM]

Thanks SM.  So basically, unless Wigan finish above the relegation places including the points deduction, the final decision if they appeal really needs to be made quickly so that the affected clubs know which division they will be in for next season.

Would this be resolved quickly after Wednesday.? 

In some respects if Wigan won their fixture that would be better anyway?

[Alan Southstand]

EFL and quickly do not go together. At all.

[Wiltshire Exile]

This from the BBC site:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/53484188

What is worrying is that if Wigan finish in the bottom 3 after a points’ deduction, then win their appeal, the team finishing 4th bottom will be relegated. Hadn’t thought about that!

[turnbull for england]

Another reason it cant drag on , imagine being fourth bottom , setting financial stall out for a year in Championship and then you get the call saying whoops  its TLOD for you next year instead     

They wont get any fairer crack at it than Wigan staying up if thats the case  so needs sorting sharpish   

[scawsby steve]

For us neutrals it would probably be better if Wigan beat Fulham tomorrow, to end all the confusion.

[IDM]

Unless Wednesday get hammered with a big points deduction.?

[idler]

If Hull, Barnsley and Wednesday came down it would save the Rovers a fortune on travel expenses.

[Padge_DRFC]

If Hull, Barnsley and Wednesday came down it would save the Rovers a fortune on travel expenses.

EFL common sense committee would have us play them September behind closed doors and then first game fans back Plymouth away

[drfchound]

Unless Wednesday get hammered with a big points deduction.?

They probably won’t.....big club syndrome and all that jazz.

[BillyStubbsTears]

Sheffield Wednesday missed a massive opportunity in 1990.

Hillsborough was (and still is) the very definition of the death-trap stadium s tat we had allowed to become the norm. The 1989 disaster happened there, but anyone who had attended capacity crowds at large stadiums (like us at Goodison, 4years before) knew with hindsight that it was going to happen somewhere, someday.

But it happened at Hillsborough. Nowhere else.

And once it had happened, that ground should have been closed down as a symbol of football facing up to its responsibilities.

The timing would have been perfect. Sheffield had just won the World Student Games and the Council was putting millions into a new stadium in a much more amenable setting. Sheffield Wednesday could have ridden the start of a wave by shutting down the rotting hulk of Hillsborough and moving to a fell-funded, future-proof Don Valley Stadium.

Instead they decided to stay in the past and invested in patching up the scene of an atrocity.

They have spiralled down ever since. Karma, perhaps...

Some good points BST. Even more so when you consider the fuss we've had with SWFC this last season. When I say we I speak as the Chair of the SYP Independent Advisory Group who had a part to play this last season when a safety certificate was being withdrawn on the eve of the season starting. Despite our best efforts to create a safer environment for supporters at the Leppings Lane end the club argued, wriggled and fought until they persuaded a court that the prohibition notice was invalid. I have no respect for that position at all.

https://www.thestar.co.uk/news/people/sheffield-wednesday-lodges-appeal-over-prohibition-notice-491036

SM

I have some long distant professional history on the Leppings Lane End at Hillsborough. I share your pain...

[graingrover]

the EFL delegates to an Independent Commission but  delegation does not abrogate their own responsibility .If the Independent Commissions are taking too much time the EFL should stop using that method and take issues back into their own fold .

[DonnyBazR0ver]

It's an affront to common decency that the Leppings Lane end is still standing. Each time you visit, particularly when you see the tunnel, you can't help but be reminded of those tragic events and the souls that died.

Sometimes relics are kept for historical value and a reminder to future generations that things can't be allowed to happen again. Hillsborough Leppings Lane falls into that category but it's likely not intentional.

Removing barriers and installing seats is not enough. As said, the whole layout of the stand is so out of date with modern basic standards of comfort.

It seems the complacency over the years that led to the disaster, with a number of warnings prior, has continued. They've had ample opportunity with grants available etc, to do something positive and I'm sure the whole football community would want to see a rebuild to include a fitting memorial.

[Draytonian III]

Wednesday will be deducted enough points to avoid relegation. Economic reasons for teams in the Championship, if it was a team the size of Rovers , Wycombe , Oxford they would get docked more points

[idler]

Sadly past form seems to indicate that you are spot on there Draytonian.

[DonnyBazR0ver]

As it stands Wigan avoiding the drop.

If Owls are deducted the rumoured 9 points it would send them down.

Interesting 45 mins plus ahead!