Wigan and Owls

[drfchound]

It has been stated that Wigan get their points deduction this evening after the matches finish.
When are we likely to hear the verdict on Sheff Weds fate.

[dknward2]

If Wigan avoid relegation with the points deduction they may aswell just take it rather than argue/appeal and lose it next season

[DonnyBazR0ver]

The EFL could press the deduct buttons now and send them both down.

Would not surprise me in Owls case who gave EFL the financial runaround!

[Padge_DRFC]

Don't see what difference is surely Wednesday should get points off if Wigan are

[sheffield exile1]

I know its not on the radar as much but in terms of old grounds and disasters this was largely forgotten...

https://www.scotsman.com/arts-and-culture/day-1971-ibrox-disaster-kills-66-fans-1422986

[drfchound]

Don't see what difference is surely Wednesday should get points off if Wigan are

I reckon that Weds deduction will only be six points, not the nine that is was suggested it might be.

[IDM]

Don't see what difference is surely Wednesday should get points off if Wigan are

Different reasons - different penalties..

[drfchound]

Don't see what difference is surely Wednesday should get points off if Wigan are

Different reasons - different penalties..

Wasn’t the Owls deduction suggested to be nine points though IDM.

[IDM]

No idea, but that still wouldn’t be the same as Wigan’s 12.

[silent majority]

From what I hear the Owls will not be deducted anything. It’s not the most reliable source though.

[drfchound]

No idea, but that still wouldn’t be the same as Wigan’s 12.

But it would still relegate them.

[IDM]

Yes but that wasn’t what I was answering - someone had suggested their penalty should be the same as Wigan’s.
Actually no that’s not what was said..  never mind, I misread it.

[drfchound]

It is ridiculous how long the EFL are taking to announce their decision on the Owls thing.
The investigation began in November, yes November.

[Woodhead Passer]

Looking more likely that Wednesday and Derby aren't getting any point deductions:

https://www.footballlaw.co.uk/articles/the-owls-and-the-rams

[DonnyBazR0ver]

Hmmm. I'm no legal eagle but reading that it looks like both clubs used legal ways of cooking the books to stay within FFP limits and, unless I've misunderstood, the EFL approved both sales at the time. If that is the case, then more egg on face time for the EFL with more legal bills down the swanny!

All yet to be confirmed though and likely new governance rules will eliminate this loophole.

[DonnyBazR0ver]

It is ridiculous how long the EFL are taking to announce their decision on the Owls thing.
The investigation began in November, yes November.

It's not the EFLs decision. The EFL brings the charges against the clubs and the Disciplinary Commission hear the case and take evidence from both parties. The Commission will make the ruling.

[drfchound]

It is ridiculous how long the EFL are taking to announce their decision on the Owls thing.
The investigation began in November, yes November.

It's not the EFLs decision. The EFL brings the charges against the clubs and the Disciplinary Commission hear the case and take evidence from both parties. The Commission will make the ruling.

Baz, you missed the word “eventually” off the end of your post.
Don’t you think that a case which began in a November should have been resolved by now?

Wouldn’t you also think that as the ruling body, the EFL would be pressing the DC to get a move on and make a decision.

[silent majority]

It is ridiculous how long the EFL are taking to announce their decision on the Owls thing.
The investigation began in November, yes November.

It's not the EFLs decision. The EFL brings the charges against the clubs and the Disciplinary Commission hear the case and take evidence from both parties. The Commission will make the ruling.

Baz, you missed the word “eventually” off the end of your post.
Don’t you think that a case which began in a November should have been resolved by now?

Wouldn’t you also think that as the ruling body, the EFL would be pressing the DC to get a move on and make a decision.

They're not a ruling body, they're a members organisation.

[drfchound]

It is ridiculous how long the EFL are taking to announce their decision on the Owls thing.
The investigation began in November, yes November.

It's not the EFLs decision. The EFL brings the charges against the clubs and the Disciplinary Commission hear the case and take evidence from both parties. The Commission will make the ruling.

Baz, you missed the word “eventually” off the end of your post.
Don’t you think that a case which began in a November should have been resolved by now?

Wouldn’t you also think that as the ruling body, the EFL would be pressing the DC to get a move on and make a decision.

They're not a ruling body, they're a members organisation.

Ok, whatever they are they have fannied about since a November in this instance and still not got a decision.

[DonnyBazR0ver]

It is ridiculous how long the EFL are taking to announce their decision on the Owls thing.
The investigation began in November, yes November.

It's not the EFLs decision. The EFL brings the charges against the clubs and the Disciplinary Commission hear the case and take evidence from both parties. The Commission will make the ruling.

Baz, you missed the word “eventually” off the end of your post.
Don’t you think that a case which began in a November should have been resolved by now?

Wouldn’t you also think that as the ruling body, the EFL would be pressing the DC to get a move on and make a decision.

They're not a ruling body, they're a members organisation.

Ok, whatever they are they have fannied about since a November in this instance and still not got a decision.

One thing we can all agree on is the process takes too long but it's not solely the EFL that drag their feet.

[RoversAlias]

It is ridiculous how long the EFL are taking to announce their decision on the Owls thing.
The investigation began in November, yes November.

It's not the EFLs decision. The EFL brings the charges against the clubs and the Disciplinary Commission hear the case and take evidence from both parties. The Commission will make the ruling.

Baz, you missed the word “eventually” off the end of your post.
Don’t you think that a case which began in a November should have been resolved by now?

Wouldn’t you also think that as the ruling body, the EFL would be pressing the DC to get a move on and make a decision.

They're not a ruling body, they're a members organisation.

It's about time they stop hiding behind that distinction and actually provide some governance, or dissolve in favour of a body that will. It isn't as if the FA spends much time giving a toss about the member clubs of the EFL, and I presume they are supposedly the governing body of these leagues?

[drfchound]

It is ridiculous how long the EFL are taking to announce their decision on the Owls thing.
The investigation began in November, yes November.

It's not the EFLs decision. The EFL brings the charges against the clubs and the Disciplinary Commission hear the case and take evidence from both parties. The Commission will make the ruling.

Baz, you missed the word “eventually” off the end of your post.
Don’t you think that a case which began in a November should have been resolved by now?

Wouldn’t you also think that as the ruling body, the EFL would be pressing the DC to get a move on and make a decision.

They're not a ruling body, they're a members organisation.

Ok, whatever they are they have fannied about since a November in this instance and still not got a decision.

One thing we can all agree on is the process takes too long but it's not solely the EFL that drag their feet.

Absolutely they do Baz but why don’t the EFL insist that the Disciplinary Committee (which I understand is a three man group in this case) get a move on and make a decision.

[DonnyBazR0ver]

Wigan lose appeal which is good news for Barnsley.

[since-1969]

Just saw a headline neither will be relegated this year by points deduction

"Wigan and Sheffield Wednesday are set to avoid relegation from the Championship as a result of their financial dealings with any points deductions imposed by the EFL's independent panel to be applied next season."

Only Wendies to start on -12 points and not Wigan their down .

[BillyStubbsTears]

That is yet another shocking decision. It basically accepts what looks to be a criminal conspiracy to produce this outcome.

[BillyStubbsTears]

Bolton, Wycombe, Wigan. Three utterly dreadful decisions.

[drfchound]

I suspect that tyke62 would disagree with that.

[BillyStubbsTears]

I suspect he would. Wouldn't make me wrong though.

[DonnyBazR0ver]

That is yet another shocking decision. It basically accepts what looks to be a criminal conspiracy to produce this outcome.

No it isn't. The EFL and The disciinary committee can only deal with the inescapable fact the Wigan were put into Administration.

The reason or merit for that decision may be a matter for another court at another time.

[BillyStubbsTears]

That is yet another shocking decision. It basically accepts what looks to be a criminal conspiracy to produce this outcome.

No it isn't. The EFL and The disciinary committee can only deal with the inescapable fact the Wigan were put into Administration.

The reason or merit for that decision may be a matter for another court at another time.

Yeah, I'll wear that. This is a wilfully blind application of the letter of a badly flawed law, which ignores the natural justice aspect of what has happened.

The problem with your comment on this being a job for another court is that clearly it won't be. Because the Administrator appears to have no interest in pursuing the natural justice argument. So, as I've said in the other thread, someone has got away with scamming the EFL rules.

This is a classic example of what happens when you hold rules to be sacrosanct, and it turns out they are flawed.