Salary Cap voted in

[selby]

Ronnie, i think it was stated we were just slightly higher last season but do not know about the season before, I am sure that Gavin stated there would be very little difference.
  1969, I disagree it has been stated that the cap is only slightly less than our budget last season, and also stated we were in the top half of that division in budgets so quite a few teams were within the cap last season, also the one with the lowest budget Wycombe got promotion.
  What it does stop is sides like Portsmouth and Hull coming along as they did last season and doubling one of our players wages, so our standard will not suffer so much, and those clubs will no longer just depend on a check book to be top dogs.  It works both ways, of course clubs may just go for one or two highly paid players and fill the rest with five very good loan players from the premiership and could result in feeder clubs by the back door.

[MachoMadness]

Is there a clause in the new rule preventing circumvention by loading what would have counted as wages into a player's signing-on fee (ie wages upfront but called something else)?

That BBC article in the OP seems to think so. It explicitly mentions bonuses and agents fees, which you imagine would cover what you mention. There'll be clubs who push it in some other way though! I remember it being a problem in Rugby Union recently.

[DonnyBazR0ver]

How can Sunderland be made to have the same budget as Crewe when their income will be ten times as much probably. It’s nonsense.

To teach them how to budget and stop pissing money up the wall!

[Janso]

Is there a clause in the new rule preventing circumvention by loading what would have counted as wages into a player's signing-on fee (ie wages upfront but called something else)?

That BBC article in the OP seems to think so. It explicitly mentions bonuses and agents fees, which you imagine would cover what you mention. There'll be clubs who push it in some other way though! I remember it being a problem in Rugby Union recently.

Saracens I think it was, they got a right f**king off the RFU though didn't they?

[since-1969]

Ronnie, i think it was stated we were just slightly higher last season but do not know about the season before, I am sure that Gavin stated there would be very little difference.
  1969, I disagree it has been stated that the cap is only slightly less than our budget last season, and also stated we were in the top half of that division in budgets so quite a few teams were within the cap last season, also the one with the lowest budget Wycombe got promotion.
  What it does stop is sides like Portsmouth and Hull coming along as they did last season and doubling one of our players wages, so our standard will not suffer so much, and those clubs will no longer just depend on a check book to be top dogs.  It works both ways, of course clubs may just go for one or two highly paid players and fill the rest with five very good loan players from the premiership and could result in feeder clubs by the back door.

It is free enterprise and those who pay the bill should have the right say . It’s the punishment that’s wrong and the over seeing of clubs . If a club can’t pay it players wages then the punishment of points deduction should be instant and no be allowed to be dragged on until the club folds . Wages are not the biggest problem it’s contract lengths and agents fees with all the undisclosed add ons . Every transaction should be in the public domain and ban undisclosed fees statements.  This agreement weakens players opportunities to earn their worth . Clubs WILL regret this day as it fails their supporters and will restrict ambition. Clubs will trawl the lower leagues for free players and turn out youth teams players on £300 a week mascarading as Professionals .

[RugbyRover]

it's a good idea in principle but I think it'll have very little impact.

The good boys will tow the line and the bad boys will just ignore it......unless the penalties are eye watering severe.

I doubt that they will be and teams will break the cap to gamble on getting promotion.

If they are promoted will that still count or will it be null and void?
Will teams breaking the cap get relegated like Saracens in Rugby?
Does the EFL have everything covered in detail so there is no confusion when a cap breaker is found?

"NO" x 3 is my guess.........

 

[IDM]

Ronnie, i think it was stated we were just slightly higher last season but do not know about the season before, I am sure that Gavin stated there would be very little difference.
  1969, I disagree it has been stated that the cap is only slightly less than our budget last season, and also stated we were in the top half of that division in budgets so quite a few teams were within the cap last season, also the one with the lowest budget Wycombe got promotion.
  What it does stop is sides like Portsmouth and Hull coming along as they did last season and doubling one of our players wages, so our standard will not suffer so much, and those clubs will no longer just depend on a check book to be top dogs.  It works both ways, of course clubs may just go for one or two highly paid players and fill the rest with five very good loan players from the premiership and could result in feeder clubs by the back door.

It is free enterprise and those who pay the bill should have the right say . It’s the punishment that’s wrong and the over seeing of clubs . If a club can’t pay it players wages then the punishment of points deduction should be instant and no be allowed to be dragged on until the club folds . Wages are not the biggest problem it’s contract lengths and agents fees with all the undisclosed add ons . Every transaction should be in the public domain and ban undisclosed fees statements.  This agreement weakens players opportunities to earn their worth . Clubs WILL regret this day as it fails their supporters and will restrict ambition. Clubs will trawl the lower leagues for free players and turn out youth teams players on £300 a week mascarading as Professionals .

Sorry that is b*llocks.

There may be some players who feel disenfranchised with lower wages but it may be a case of take it or leave it.  We may even get better quality players, who join because of managerial characters like DM, because they can’t be poached by other clubs paying more.

Don’t forget football finances on the lower leagues are in a terrible situation with the pandemic, who’s to say that in a season or two the level of the salary cap may rise once football finances are in a better place.

Would you rather be a league 1 pro footballer facing a pay cut with little other choice, or an airline pilot losing your job completely with nothing else available.?  Or a pub worker losing their job.?

[albie]

Bit more detail set out by Hoden in the DFP;
https://www.doncasterfreepress.co.uk/sport/football/explained-how-new-squad-salary-caps-league-one-will-affect-clubs-including-doncaster-rovers-2936369

Wait for the loopholes to emerge.
I reckon there should be an offence of"failing to keep the ethics of the rules", to trip up the serial cheats.

[silent majority]

This is the media release;

‘SQUAD SALARY CAPS’ INTRODUCED IN LEAGUE ONE AND LEAGUE TWO
 
Clubs in League One and League Two have today voted for the introduction of new financial controls in the form of ‘Squad Salary Caps’ into their respective divisions which take effect immediately.
 
The decision follows extensive and comprehensive consultation with all Clubs in respect of addressing sustainability and wage inflation issues across the EFL which were initiated prior to the suspension of football in March following the COVID-19 outbreak and have continued during the course of the summer.
 
Those discussions culminated in today’s divisional vote, with representatives of League One and League Two Clubs opting to implement the new measures in place of the existing Salary Cost Management Protocols (SCMP), with fixed caps of £2.5million and £1.5million respectively.
 
Discussions continue with Championship Clubs in respect to amendments to their own financial controls. League One and Two Clubs are also going to continue discussions towards the introduction of additional measures aimed at addressing Club financial sustainability.
 
When calculating total salary spending, the ‘cap’ includes:
 
•   Basic Wages;
•   Taxes;
•   Bonuses;
•   Image rights;
•   Agents’ fees and;
•   Other fees and expenses paid directly or indirectly to all registered players.
 
Payments directly linked to a Club’s progression in cup competitions or promotion are excluded from the Cap, while any income generated from players going out on loan is deducted from the Club’s Salary Cap calculation.
 
Transition arrangements have been incorporated in respect of a Club’s squad salary cap calculation with the key element of these aimed at addressing committed contracts and relegated Clubs.   Any contract entered into on or prior to today’s vote will be capped at an agreed divisional average until that contract expires.  Moving forwards, Clubs that are relegated will be permitted to cap all contracts at the divisional average prior to the Club’s relegation until those contracts expire. 
 
An ‘overrun’ concept is also included if a Club’s total squad salary payments exceed the Cap by up to 5%, whereby dependent on the percentage level of the overrun, a financial penalty would be payable for every £1 in excess. Clubs exceeding the ‘overrun’ would be referred to an Independent Disciplinary Commission, although the EFL will monitor the Cap on a real-time basis throughout the season as is the current position with SCMP measures across the two divisions.  Where breaches do occur, sanction guidelines are in place to be considered as appropriate by an independent Disciplinary Commission.
 
EFL CEO, David Baldwin said: “The term ‘salary cap’ is an emotive one, creating the impression of a restrictive measure but we are clear in our view that this is neither the objective nor the likely effect of these changes to EFL Regulations. The financial impact of Covid-19 will be profound for EFL Clubs and today’s vote will help ensure Clubs cannot extend themselves to the point that could cause financial instability.
 
“Over the last two weeks the discussions amongst Clubs in both Leagues One and Two have been healthy and constructive, allowing us to reach a clear consensus today and I am pleased that the Clubs have determined to adopt the new approach. We will now work with all Clubs, the PFA and, where appropriate, other stakeholders to implement the new rules and continue our efforts to bring long-term sustainability to the EFL.”
 
 
---ENDS


The key features of the new measures for League One and League Two include:

•   Fixed Squad Salary caps of £2.5m / £1.5m in each of Leagues One and Two.
o   This is not an individual cap. 
o   As long as the Clubs stays within the Squad Cap, there is no restriction on what an individual Player can be paid.
•   The EFL will monitor the Cap on a real-time basis throughout the season to prevent Clubs signing players that would result in them exceeding the Cap as is the current position with SCMP measures across the two divisions.
•   Amounts will be index linked to reflect changes in domestic broadcast revenues.
•   The following Players are excluded from the calculations:
o   any Under 21 Player; and
o   in Season 2020/21, any Player not included in the Club’s Squad List.
•   The following amounts are excluded from the calculations:
o   promotion bonuses
o   severance pay under clause 19 of the standard player contract; and
o   cup bonuses in any squad bonus schedule

[IDM]

Silly question, but do players under 21 mean players in any U21 squad, or first team players who happen to be under 21 in age, by a certain date.?

[MachoMadness]

Silly question, but do players under 21 mean players in any U21 squad, or first team players who happen to be under 21 in age, by a certain date.?

Believe it's the latter.

[RugbyRover]

Does anyone have a copy of these "sanction guidelines" That the independent review body will refer to?

[since-1969]

Ronnie, i think it was stated we were just slightly higher last season but do not know about the season before, I am sure that Gavin stated there would be very little difference.
  1969, I disagree it has been stated that the cap is only slightly less than our budget last season, and also stated we were in the top half of that division in budgets so quite a few teams were within the cap last season, also the one with the lowest budget Wycombe got promotion.
  What it does stop is sides like Portsmouth and Hull coming along as they did last season and doubling one of our players wages, so our standard will not suffer so much, and those clubs will no longer just depend on a check book to be top dogs.  It works both ways, of course clubs may just go for one or two highly paid players and fill the rest with five very good loan players from the premiership and could result in feeder clubs by the back door.

It is free enterprise and those who pay the bill should have the right say . It’s the punishment that’s wrong and the over seeing of clubs . If a club can’t pay it players wages then the punishment of points deduction should be instant and no be allowed to be dragged on until the club folds . Wages are not the biggest problem it’s contract lengths and agents fees with all the undisclosed add ons . Every transaction should be in the public domain and ban undisclosed fees statements.  This agreement weakens players opportunities to earn their worth . Clubs WILL regret this day as it fails their supporters and will restrict ambition. Clubs will trawl the lower leagues for free players and turn out youth teams players on £300 a week mascarading as Professionals .

Sorry that is b*llocks.

There may be some players who feel disenfranchised with lower wages but it may be a case of take it or leave it.  We may even get better quality players, who join because of managerial characters like DM, because they can’t be poached by other clubs paying more.

Don’t forget football finances on the lower leagues are in a terrible situation with the pandemic, who’s to say that in a season or two the level of the salary cap may rise once football finances are in a better place.

Would you rather be a league 1 pro footballer facing a pay cut with little other choice, or an airline pilot losing your job completely with nothing else available.?  Or a pub worker losing their job.?

The EFL has had years to sort out a format based on the income of a club and who can demonstrate due diligence and sound management.
To lump all the clubs under one format is insane and detrimental to a players future-prospects as lowering bar will only lesson the abilities of clubs to progress , some will only pay peanuts and not build competitive clubs .  Sport should be for growth not the stifled  owner who just wants write his tax return on loans to a football club . No owner should be allowed to put  professional football back in the days of wage constraints. There was nothing wrong with the way it was only COVID-19 is keeping it from started nothing more . The PL is to blame for that ills football as they pay nothing to the lower leagues in situations like this . 

[MachoMadness]

I don't see how anyone could look at the farce that was last season, with Bolton and Bury in our League, Charlton, Wigan, and Wednesday in the league above, and a lot more I'm probably forgetting, and say that football was doing just fine.

[since-1969]

This is about wage constraints illegal in any language!!

[German Rover]

We'll get a chance to see how good some managers really are. Yes I'm thinking of you Fergie.

To be fair the one thing Ferguson was good at was finding good young players.

No way near as good as barry fry.

[IDM]

This is about wage constraints illegal in any language!!

Individual wages aren’t constrained though are they.?

And where is it illegal that an organisation can’t impose a salary cap anyway.?

[Filo]

This is about wage constraints illegal in any language!!

No it’s not, you can pay a player what you like as long as the wage bill is under the cap

[the vicar]

Surely it just gives the relegated teams a big advantage.

To a point it does. So those players who are on continuous contracts have their salary measured as the average for that division. But with relegation clauses in a lot of contracts these days it might not be the advantage you think it is.

The average championship wage will be ten times the average L1 wage. It’s stupid.

it int nonsense if we want all clubs to survive and not go out of business, it seems the PFA want that with saying it is illegal

[bobjimwilly]

The fact bonuses from cup competitions are exempt might make for some players to try that little bit harder in cup matches if that's the only way clubs can pay players more?

[drfchound]

It might also encourage clubs to play fringe players in cup competitions to avoid having to pay bonuses.

[since-1969]

This is about wage constraints illegal in any language!!

No it’s not, you can pay a player what you like as long as the wage bill is under the cap

Then you can’t pay him what you want then !!!

[since-1969]

Surely it just gives the relegated teams a big advantage.

To a point it does. So those players who are on continuous contracts have their salary measured as the average for that division. But with relegation clauses in a lot of contracts these days it might not be the advantage you think it is.

The average championship wage will be ten times the average L1 wage. It’s stupid.

it int nonsense if we want all clubs to survive and not go out of business, it seems the PFA want that with saying it is illegal

it not fair on those innovative, well-managed clubs who are prepared to have a go within their means.

[IDM]

What laws would be broken.?

[IDM]

Surely it just gives the relegated teams a big advantage.

To a point it does. So those players who are on continuous contracts have their salary measured as the average for that division. But with relegation clauses in a lot of contracts these days it might not be the advantage you think it is.

The average championship wage will be ten times the average L1 wage. It’s stupid.

it int nonsense if we want all clubs to survive and not go out of business, it seems the PFA want that with saying it is illegal

it not fair on those innovative, well-managed clubs who are prepared to have a go within their means.

Those clubs will be able to invest their extra cash in training facilities, youth development, stadium facilities etc, and as such be in a better position off field.  Or they could offer cheaper tickets for fans.

You seem hell bent on opposing this, a measure I don’t see as detrimental to DRFC.

[since-1969]

The right to earn what your employers is prepared to pay you without interference . This is a free market and those that can pay and want to pay bigger wages can’t be prevented form doing so otherwise it a constraint of free trade . No one seeks to prevent the PL from paying huge wages WHY ? Because it would not get passed .

[Sod This For a Laugh]

Fatty Evans has just become the most sort after manager in league 1

[since-1969]

https://www.efl.com/news/2016/january/fifty-five-years-to-the-day-20-maximum-wage-cap-abolished-by-football-league-clubs/


What if players went on strike ?

[idler]

If the players went on strike we could end up with far less clubs to watch and also less clubs to employ the players.

[IDM]

https://www.efl.com/news/2016/january/fifty-five-years-to-the-day-20-maximum-wage-cap-abolished-by-football-league-clubs/


What if players went on strike ?

There hadn’t been a pandemic then which had changed every day life as we know it..

Have recent events just passed you by.?