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Quote from: NewDonny on August 12, 2020, 01:42:59 amQuote from: tyke1962 on August 12, 2020, 12:11:51 amJust my two penneth on this without the emotional attachment .You guys say he is a very good player in league one which is fair enough and I wouldn't doubt it .However he may have gone to the Championship but signing for Rotherham United suggests there wasn't exactly a host of clubs bidding for his signature .There was a at least four or five of our players in our promotion team of 2018/19 who were top league one players , Cavare , McGeehan , Pinillos , Thiam .And about four or five championship appearances behind them before they were binned on the strength they weren't good enough to make that step up .He's signed for Rotherham , the best show in town as far as he's concerned .You've lost a player to a local rival fair enough it ain't great but look at the bigger picture here .All things point to a player who may not be up to the standard of championship football , if he was then Rotherham wouldn't be in the market for him .He's freed up some spends .Logical thinking on this one in my opinion .Nothing at all logical about your post tbh Tyke. In fact probably just about wrong on every point. Simple question for you though, being a Barnsley supporter did you attend any Donny games this last season just gone?I'm just offering an alternative opinion .What I do know is that there are a good number of championship clubs who would be in the market for a very good league one talent , probably half the league .The way it's played out is that he's gone to a championship club who were in the same division as yourselves last season .So the evidence suggests he's a speculative punt by Rotherham because that's the market they operate in at championship level .
Quote from: tyke1962 on August 12, 2020, 12:11:51 amJust my two penneth on this without the emotional attachment .You guys say he is a very good player in league one which is fair enough and I wouldn't doubt it .However he may have gone to the Championship but signing for Rotherham United suggests there wasn't exactly a host of clubs bidding for his signature .There was a at least four or five of our players in our promotion team of 2018/19 who were top league one players , Cavare , McGeehan , Pinillos , Thiam .And about four or five championship appearances behind them before they were binned on the strength they weren't good enough to make that step up .He's signed for Rotherham , the best show in town as far as he's concerned .You've lost a player to a local rival fair enough it ain't great but look at the bigger picture here .All things point to a player who may not be up to the standard of championship football , if he was then Rotherham wouldn't be in the market for him .He's freed up some spends .Logical thinking on this one in my opinion .Nothing at all logical about your post tbh Tyke. In fact probably just about wrong on every point. Simple question for you though, being a Barnsley supporter did you attend any Donny games this last season just gone?
Just my two penneth on this without the emotional attachment .You guys say he is a very good player in league one which is fair enough and I wouldn't doubt it .However he may have gone to the Championship but signing for Rotherham United suggests there wasn't exactly a host of clubs bidding for his signature .There was a at least four or five of our players in our promotion team of 2018/19 who were top league one players , Cavare , McGeehan , Pinillos , Thiam .And about four or five championship appearances behind them before they were binned on the strength they weren't good enough to make that step up .He's signed for Rotherham , the best show in town as far as he's concerned .You've lost a player to a local rival fair enough it ain't great but look at the bigger picture here .All things point to a player who may not be up to the standard of championship football , if he was then Rotherham wouldn't be in the market for him .He's freed up some spends .Logical thinking on this one in my opinion .
Quote from: graingrover on August 12, 2020, 11:31:55 amBB why are you on here ?Graingrover, what is your reason for asking that question? Are you suggesting that, in the capacity of a supporter, I shouldn't express my opinion and should instead be a happy clapping super fan?
BB why are you on here ?
I haven’t got the figure but those Championship years were I imagine at a colossal cost to Watson, Bramall and Ryan. They must have been putting in significantly more than the current c£2m our current owner(s) put in to the club to make us a going concern. There WAS investment on a massive scale but we still got relegated.
They're overall a slightly bigger club than us but we have the bigger potential from having the larger town which is always growing. With success we can grow our fan base a fair bit.For us as a club to get to the next level but not bankrupting us we need to be smart with signings, so we can grow our assets and sell them on for profit, ala Barnsley and Brentford. We also need to improve our youth coming through, if we can make a few million from them then we can upgrade to Cat 2 which would give us more of a pull and would mean we could keep our better youngsters easier. Going down the route of signing 30 year olds on one year deals will never grow us as a club like we did in 15-16. We're not the richest of clubs so we need to grow our income other ways to compete with bigger clubs.
I was told that their playing budget was £1.6 million more than ours last season, and having players still at the club from their season before in the Championship it was realistic.
Quote from: DonnyOsmond on August 12, 2020, 01:05:50 pmThey're overall a slightly bigger club than us but we have the bigger potential from having the larger town which is always growing. With success we can grow our fan base a fair bit.For us as a club to get to the next level but not bankrupting us we need to be smart with signings, so we can grow our assets and sell them on for profit, ala Barnsley and Brentford. We also need to improve our youth coming through, if we can make a few million from them then we can upgrade to Cat 2 which would give us more of a pull and would mean we could keep our better youngsters easier. Going down the route of signing 30 year olds on one year deals will never grow us as a club like we did in 15-16. We're not the richest of clubs so we need to grow our income other ways to compete with bigger clubs.Please explain why you think Rotherham are a slightly bigger club than us. IMO they are definitely not. If you look at recent Championship gates of both clubs since 2008 i think you will find our ave gate is higher than Rotherham’s at that level. In league 1 they are above us because they bounced back to the Championship twice very quickly. We went down to League 2 & then played some turgid football under DF & consequently lost some fans for a couple of years..
Quote from: selby on August 12, 2020, 02:10:47 pm I was told that their playing budget was £1.6 million more than ours last season, and having players still at the club from their season before in the Championship it was realistic.According to New Donny before he deleted his post, Sadlier was offered the same terms as his previous contract, not reduced terms as a lot of people suggested
Quote from: Filo on August 12, 2020, 02:16:45 pmQuote from: selby on August 12, 2020, 02:10:47 pm I was told that their playing budget was £1.6 million more than ours last season, and having players still at the club from their season before in the Championship it was realistic.According to New Donny before he deleted his post, Sadlier was offered the same terms as his previous contract, not reduced terms as a lot of people suggestedAccording to the club he was offered an increased contract, which he chose not to take, but by all accounts it was still on the table.
SM, the question is how much cash is pumped into Rotherham United every year in comparison.
Quote from: silent majority on August 12, 2020, 09:23:16 amQuote from: Bentley Bullet on August 12, 2020, 09:06:16 amQuote from: IDM on August 12, 2020, 08:46:43 amBecause they finished higher in the league.?Are you saying that a 9th place finish (Covid or not) under DM, after the palaver of last summer - plus the way we were playing under DM and the direction we were going, is frustrating.?That one of our local rivals finished above us and got promoted, matters little.The question I ask is WHY they finished higher up the league. If it was because they pay higher wages then I suggest it isn't a very level playing pitch. If that is the case I can't see any reason why they can afford to invest more in the team than we can in ours. If it is down to our obsession with self-sufficiency maybe our investment bar is set a little too low compared to theirs.Obsession with self sufficiency? Pumping in £2m a year hardly fits with that description BB.Weren't we told that just before Covid struck the club didn't need the £2m financial input now as with the success of Club Doncaster we were self sufficient?
Quote from: Bentley Bullet on August 12, 2020, 09:06:16 amQuote from: IDM on August 12, 2020, 08:46:43 amBecause they finished higher in the league.?Are you saying that a 9th place finish (Covid or not) under DM, after the palaver of last summer - plus the way we were playing under DM and the direction we were going, is frustrating.?That one of our local rivals finished above us and got promoted, matters little.The question I ask is WHY they finished higher up the league. If it was because they pay higher wages then I suggest it isn't a very level playing pitch. If that is the case I can't see any reason why they can afford to invest more in the team than we can in ours. If it is down to our obsession with self-sufficiency maybe our investment bar is set a little too low compared to theirs.Obsession with self sufficiency? Pumping in £2m a year hardly fits with that description BB.
Quote from: IDM on August 12, 2020, 08:46:43 amBecause they finished higher in the league.?Are you saying that a 9th place finish (Covid or not) under DM, after the palaver of last summer - plus the way we were playing under DM and the direction we were going, is frustrating.?That one of our local rivals finished above us and got promoted, matters little.The question I ask is WHY they finished higher up the league. If it was because they pay higher wages then I suggest it isn't a very level playing pitch. If that is the case I can't see any reason why they can afford to invest more in the team than we can in ours. If it is down to our obsession with self-sufficiency maybe our investment bar is set a little too low compared to theirs.
Because they finished higher in the league.?Are you saying that a 9th place finish (Covid or not) under DM, after the palaver of last summer - plus the way we were playing under DM and the direction we were going, is frustrating.?That one of our local rivals finished above us and got promoted, matters little.
Quote from: EasyforDennis on August 12, 2020, 10:33:20 amQuote from: silent majority on August 12, 2020, 09:23:16 amQuote from: Bentley Bullet on August 12, 2020, 09:06:16 amQuote from: IDM on August 12, 2020, 08:46:43 amBecause they finished higher in the league.?Are you saying that a 9th place finish (Covid or not) under DM, after the palaver of last summer - plus the way we were playing under DM and the direction we were going, is frustrating.?That one of our local rivals finished above us and got promoted, matters little.The question I ask is WHY they finished higher up the league. If it was because they pay higher wages then I suggest it isn't a very level playing pitch. If that is the case I can't see any reason why they can afford to invest more in the team than we can in ours. If it is down to our obsession with self-sufficiency maybe our investment bar is set a little too low compared to theirs.Obsession with self sufficiency? Pumping in £2m a year hardly fits with that description BB.Weren't we told that just before Covid struck the club didn't need the £2m financial input now as with the success of Club Doncaster we were self sufficient?And your point is what exactly? I think its obvious that if the owners are pumping in £2m when they don't 'have' to then they're not obsessed with sustainability. What they're obsessed with is making sure DRFC can compete at a higher level while at the same time striving to bring the income level up to match the expenditure.
The point in fairness is that we didn't feel sadlier was worth a longer contract. Would anyone have offered him longer terms last summer when he'd been a bit part player before that?
Quote from: silent majority on August 12, 2020, 02:45:51 pmQuote from: EasyforDennis on August 12, 2020, 10:33:20 amQuote from: silent majority on August 12, 2020, 09:23:16 amQuote from: Bentley Bullet on August 12, 2020, 09:06:16 amQuote from: IDM on August 12, 2020, 08:46:43 amBecause they finished higher in the league.?Are you saying that a 9th place finish (Covid or not) under DM, after the palaver of last summer - plus the way we were playing under DM and the direction we were going, is frustrating.?That one of our local rivals finished above us and got promoted, matters little.The question I ask is WHY they finished higher up the league. If it was because they pay higher wages then I suggest it isn't a very level playing pitch. If that is the case I can't see any reason why they can afford to invest more in the team than we can in ours. If it is down to our obsession with self-sufficiency maybe our investment bar is set a little too low compared to theirs.Obsession with self sufficiency? Pumping in £2m a year hardly fits with that description BB.Weren't we told that just before Covid struck the club didn't need the £2m financial input now as with the success of Club Doncaster we were self sufficient?And your point is what exactly? I think its obvious that if the owners are pumping in £2m when they don't 'have' to then they're not obsessed with sustainability. What they're obsessed with is making sure DRFC can compete at a higher level while at the same time striving to bring the income level up to match the expenditure.Well I keep reading that the directors are having to put in £2m a year to keep the club going. So you are saying that prior to Covid we was a totally sustainable club and the £2m was extra funding? In which case can we look forward to last seasons accounts being in the black?
Quote from: EasyforDennis on August 12, 2020, 02:57:58 pmQuote from: silent majority on August 12, 2020, 02:45:51 pmQuote from: EasyforDennis on August 12, 2020, 10:33:20 amQuote from: silent majority on August 12, 2020, 09:23:16 amQuote from: Bentley Bullet on August 12, 2020, 09:06:16 amQuote from: IDM on August 12, 2020, 08:46:43 amBecause they finished higher in the league.?Are you saying that a 9th place finish (Covid or not) under DM, after the palaver of last summer - plus the way we were playing under DM and the direction we were going, is frustrating.?That one of our local rivals finished above us and got promoted, matters little.The question I ask is WHY they finished higher up the league. If it was because they pay higher wages then I suggest it isn't a very level playing pitch. If that is the case I can't see any reason why they can afford to invest more in the team than we can in ours. If it is down to our obsession with self-sufficiency maybe our investment bar is set a little too low compared to theirs.Obsession with self sufficiency? Pumping in £2m a year hardly fits with that description BB.Weren't we told that just before Covid struck the club didn't need the £2m financial input now as with the success of Club Doncaster we were self sufficient?And your point is what exactly? I think its obvious that if the owners are pumping in £2m when they don't 'have' to then they're not obsessed with sustainability. What they're obsessed with is making sure DRFC can compete at a higher level while at the same time striving to bring the income level up to match the expenditure.Well I keep reading that the directors are having to put in £2m a year to keep the club going. So you are saying that prior to Covid we was a totally sustainable club and the £2m was extra funding? In which case can we look forward to last seasons accounts being in the black?Why would they be in the black next year?
Quote from: vaya on August 12, 2020, 03:08:35 pmQuote from: EasyforDennis on August 12, 2020, 02:57:58 pmQuote from: silent majority on August 12, 2020, 02:45:51 pmQuote from: EasyforDennis on August 12, 2020, 10:33:20 amQuote from: silent majority on August 12, 2020, 09:23:16 amQuote from: Bentley Bullet on August 12, 2020, 09:06:16 amQuote from: IDM on August 12, 2020, 08:46:43 amBecause they finished higher in the league.?Are you saying that a 9th place finish (Covid or not) under DM, after the palaver of last summer - plus the way we were playing under DM and the direction we were going, is frustrating.?That one of our local rivals finished above us and got promoted, matters little.The question I ask is WHY they finished higher up the league. If it was because they pay higher wages then I suggest it isn't a very level playing pitch. If that is the case I can't see any reason why they can afford to invest more in the team than we can in ours. If it is down to our obsession with self-sufficiency maybe our investment bar is set a little too low compared to theirs.Obsession with self sufficiency? Pumping in £2m a year hardly fits with that description BB.Weren't we told that just before Covid struck the club didn't need the £2m financial input now as with the success of Club Doncaster we were self sufficient?And your point is what exactly? I think its obvious that if the owners are pumping in £2m when they don't 'have' to then they're not obsessed with sustainability. What they're obsessed with is making sure DRFC can compete at a higher level while at the same time striving to bring the income level up to match the expenditure.Well I keep reading that the directors are having to put in £2m a year to keep the club going. So you are saying that prior to Covid we was a totally sustainable club and the £2m was extra funding? In which case can we look forward to last seasons accounts being in the black?Why would they be in the black next year?Who mentioned next year?
Quote from: big fat yorkshire pudding on August 12, 2020, 02:30:55 pmThe point in fairness is that we didn't feel sadlier was worth a longer contract. Would anyone have offered him longer terms last summer when he'd been a bit part player before that?I think things are getting all a bit distorted here.Sadlier came in, in his first season off the back off having already played a full season in Ireland, the season over there starts in Jan with pre season, actual league games start in Feb and finish in Nov, so when he joined DRFC in Jan he was never going to be playing a big part in that season as he had been playing for almost a year non stop already. It was always planned that he would play a bigger part in his first full season, ie the one just gone which he obviously did.
Are you sure that he has recently moved to Cambridge.
New Donny, you know my personal thoughts my friend.Good luck to Keiran and yourself in the future.
He lives in Cambrigde. Had house in Doncaster but not lived there for a couple of months now.
Quote from: NickDRFC on July 23, 2020, 06:14:31 pmQuote from: NewDonny on July 23, 2020, 05:39:14 pmQuote from: PDX_Rover on July 23, 2020, 03:59:33 pmRotherham for Sads I would imagine.Why would you imagine that?Local club so a convenient move, they’ll have seen him play several times this season and he’s unlikely to get anything above a lower-end Championship club. Not saying he’s going there but it’s a pretty reasonable suggestion.OK I take your point, but he lives in Cambridge though so not sure Rotherham is all that local for him but why is it unlikely he will get anything above lower end Championship?
Quote from: NewDonny on July 23, 2020, 05:39:14 pmQuote from: PDX_Rover on July 23, 2020, 03:59:33 pmRotherham for Sads I would imagine.Why would you imagine that?Local club so a convenient move, they’ll have seen him play several times this season and he’s unlikely to get anything above a lower-end Championship club. Not saying he’s going there but it’s a pretty reasonable suggestion.
Quote from: PDX_Rover on July 23, 2020, 03:59:33 pmRotherham for Sads I would imagine.Why would you imagine that?
Rotherham for Sads I would imagine.
Quote from: Campsall rover on August 12, 2020, 01:42:09 pmQuote from: DonnyOsmond on August 12, 2020, 01:05:50 pmThey're overall a slightly bigger club than us but we have the bigger potential from having the larger town which is always growing. With success we can grow our fan base a fair bit.For us as a club to get to the next level but not bankrupting us we need to be smart with signings, so we can grow our assets and sell them on for profit, ala Barnsley and Brentford. We also need to improve our youth coming through, if we can make a few million from them then we can upgrade to Cat 2 which would give us more of a pull and would mean we could keep our better youngsters easier. Going down the route of signing 30 year olds on one year deals will never grow us as a club like we did in 15-16. We're not the richest of clubs so we need to grow our income other ways to compete with bigger clubs.Please explain why you think Rotherham are a slightly bigger club than us. IMO they are definitely not. If you look at recent Championship gates of both clubs since 2008 i think you will find our ave gate is higher than Rotherham’s at that level. In league 1 they are above us because they bounced back to the Championship twice very quickly. We went down to League 2 & then played some turgid football under DF & consequently lost some fans for a couple of years..They've spent more time in the 2nd tier historically and in the last 20 years than us and are currently there and we're not. We're similar sized clubs but they edge it.
Quote from: EasyforDennis on August 12, 2020, 03:37:16 pmQuote from: vaya on August 12, 2020, 03:08:35 pmQuote from: EasyforDennis on August 12, 2020, 02:57:58 pmQuote from: silent majority on August 12, 2020, 02:45:51 pmQuote from: EasyforDennis on August 12, 2020, 10:33:20 amQuote from: silent majority on August 12, 2020, 09:23:16 amQuote from: Bentley Bullet on August 12, 2020, 09:06:16 amQuote from: IDM on August 12, 2020, 08:46:43 amBecause they finished higher in the league.?Are you saying that a 9th place finish (Covid or not) under DM, after the palaver of last summer - plus the way we were playing under DM and the direction we were going, is frustrating.?That one of our local rivals finished above us and got promoted, matters little.The question I ask is WHY they finished higher up the league. If it was because they pay higher wages then I suggest it isn't a very level playing pitch. If that is the case I can't see any reason why they can afford to invest more in the team than we can in ours. If it is down to our obsession with self-sufficiency maybe our investment bar is set a little too low compared to theirs.Obsession with self sufficiency? Pumping in £2m a year hardly fits with that description BB.Weren't we told that just before Covid struck the club didn't need the £2m financial input now as with the success of Club Doncaster we were self sufficient?And your point is what exactly? I think its obvious that if the owners are pumping in £2m when they don't 'have' to then they're not obsessed with sustainability. What they're obsessed with is making sure DRFC can compete at a higher level while at the same time striving to bring the income level up to match the expenditure.Well I keep reading that the directors are having to put in £2m a year to keep the club going. So you are saying that prior to Covid we was a totally sustainable club and the £2m was extra funding? In which case can we look forward to last seasons accounts being in the black?Why would they be in the black next year?Who mentioned next year?Last season's - the next set.