Hybrid cars

[nightporter]

My Son specialises in Electric vehicles at the dealer he works at, he uses an App to find the nearest charge point and if it's empty or in use. He usually pops to the Lakeside shopping outlet which offered FREE charging.

[SydneyRover]

Hydrogen is pointless takes so much energy to convert into a useable fuel for cars is huge. It has its place in say lorries or buses but passenger cars work excellent for batteries.

Most new battery cars can do around 150 to 200 miles which at average traveling speeds is around 3 hours driving and most will charge to 80 percent in 20 mins which is enough time at a motorway service stations to get a drink and use a toilet and then get on the road again.

Hydrogen is touted as the next green fuel but only when produced using green energy.

[Janso]

.... by those Cars that are Petrol etc. The charging spaces have become the new Disabled spots as they are really close t the front of the Stores (Asda Doncaster for example)

This is referred to as being ICEd (internal combustion engine).

[Donnywolf]

.... nice one - I will remember that one !

I havent as yet got an all electric Car but this still bugs me as does taking Disabled spots - JUST to be 10 yards nearer the shop

[SydneyRover]

I would think one of the main reasons for that is so the charging point are nearer to the power source?

[Donnywolf]

Yes they tend to be nearer the Store in general terms but at a new build "estate" in Thorne they have been put half way across Car Park

They have put in 2 banks of 5 (may be 6) and they are always full of non-electric vehicles- in fact only ever perhaps seen 5 to 6 cars charging up there - so its a win win for the lazy parkers

[SydneyRover]

It's quite a different scene here with both hybrid and full electric cars they are expensive and so very few of them. I'm not even sure I've seen a charging point yet. Have just googled it and there some in the city and a few scattered around.

[albie]

Latest UK sales figures now out;
https://cleantechnica.com/2020/09/05/uk-in-august-9-75-electric-vehicle-market-share-more-than-2x-year-on-year/

It will be interesting to see how it is boosted by VW entering the UK market in a big way into 2021.

[SydneyRover]

Thanks Albie, that's amazing. We have reluctant goverenments that want to do nothing about Climate Change Action and petrol is too cheap.

[Donnywolf]

It's quite a different scene here with both hybrid and full electric cars they are expensive and so very few of them. I'm not even sure I've seen a charging point yet. Have just googled it and there some in the city and a few scattered around.

Here they are everywhere and as far as I know there are the following "just" in Thorne

In Thorne 10 or 12 at Aldi / B&M Car park
                  2 at Lidl
                  2 at Kings Chambers
                  1 or 2 Stanilands / The barge Inn
                   2 at M18/M180 Junction Services

... and for those that know it there is even one at The Green Tree (now Stonehouse) just outside Thorne

Here is a Map of Doncaster showing outlets https://www.zap-map.com/live/ or it will if you have to enter Doncaster

[Filo]

It's quite a different scene here with both hybrid and full electric cars they are expensive and so very few of them. I'm not even sure I've seen a charging point yet. Have just googled it and there some in the city and a few scattered around.

Here they are everywhere and as far as I know there are the following "just" in Thorne

In Thorne 10 or 12 at Aldi / B&M Car park
                  2 at Lidl
                  2 at Kings Chambers
                  1 or 2 Stanilands / The barge Inn
                   2 at M18/M180 Junction Services

... and for those that know it there is even one at The Green Tree (now Stonehouse) just outside Thorne

Here is a Map of Doncaster showing outlets https://www.zap-map.com/live/ or it will if you have to enter Doncaster

I think there are 2 at Stanilands and a Tesla supercharger, but everytime I’ve been there they are taken up as normal parking spaces

[idler]

The new Aldi in Bradford has four or five I think.
They were empty last Saturday even though fairly near the door. I suppose it also depends how busy it is and what the weather is like unfortunately.

[SydneyRover]

An approximation of numers Uk above Oz below


''The electric car market is growing quickly, with more than 136,600 pure-electric cars on UK roads at the end of July 2020 - and over 330,800 plug-in models including plug-in hybrids (PHEVs). The most recent set of figures from the Society of Motor Manufacturers and Traders (SMMT) show that pure-electric models accounted for 4.7% of total new car registrations, whilst adding in PHEVs takes that figure up to 9%''

https://www.nextgreencar.com/electric-cars/statistics/

The total stock of plug-in electric vehicles is almost 12,000 with 6,718 of these electric cars sold in 2019 alone with the other sales occurring between 2012 and 2018.[4][5][6] A further 14,253 electric vehicles were registered in early 2020 which is nearly double the registrations of the previous year.[7] The Mitsubishi Outlander P-HEV was the country's top selling plug-in electric vehicle, with over 2,906 plug-in hybrid SUVs sold through March 2018.[3] However, Tesla accounted for 70% of the 6,718 electric car sales in 2019 with the Tesla Model 3 compromising two-thirds of electric car sales in the year.[8] The electric Tesla Model X and Model 3 are Australia's second and third most safest cars.[9] While the Mercedes-Benz all-electric EQC was named the best car in Australia in 2019.[10]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plug-in_electric_vehicles_in_Australia

[albie]

Tesco have teamed up with VW in the UK to install chargers;
https://www.motoringelectric.com/charging/how-find-nearest-tesco-electric-charging-point/

Once a big beast does this, all the others will have to follow suit.

With the unauthorised parking in electric bays, how long will it be before parking enforcement realises this will be a good earner to police?

I reckon this will be clamped down pretty soon!

[Donnywolf]

Agree that they could monetise it but then again there are plenty of opportunities to do the same with :

....people using Disabled spaces incorrectly - when they have no Blue Badge - when the person who is entitled to the Blue Badge ia not in the Car with them - when the Blue Badge Holder IS in the Car but the other person goes to the Shop etc etc

.... people misusing Parent and Child spots in many ways

.... people taking up more than one space  in a Car Park sometimes even 4 if they park to maximise their chances of their car not being scratched (see Parking like a t**t in Donny on Facebook)

All these cash cows offer potential for Stores to make money but I the Supermarkets ignore them so as to not rock the boat / offend their customers

Good to see yesterday that daft people had left Cars parked on Yellow Lines but also half on Pavement at the Keepmoat Car Boot yesterday - one was literally 10 yards from the Car Park 2 Gate - and they had all picked up a Ticket.

It was £1.50 to park I think but for that you had to walk from the Car Park near XP College of course - which is m-i-l-e-s  ! It is cheaper than whatever they will have to pay now - £90 maybe

... and yes I am great fun at parties

[Metalmicky]

Latest UK sales figures now out;
https://cleantechnica.com/2020/09/05/uk-in-august-9-75-electric-vehicle-market-share-more-than-2x-year-on-year/

It will be interesting to see how it is boosted by VW entering the UK market in a big way into 2021.

Will the new VW's will have a emissions-compliance "defeat" device installed.....? 

[Janso]

Agree that they could monetise it but then again there are plenty of opportunities to do the same with :

....people using Disabled spaces incorrectly - when they have no Blue Badge - when the person who is entitled to the Blue Badge ia not in the Car with them - when the Blue Badge Holder IS in the Car but the other person goes to the Shop etc etc

.... people misusing Parent and Child spots in many ways

.... people taking up more than one space  in a Car Park sometimes even 4 if they park to maximise their chances of their car not being scratched (see Parking like a t**t in Donny on Facebook)

All these cash cows offer potential for Stores to make money but I the Supermarkets ignore them so as to not rock the boat / offend their customers

Good to see yesterday that daft people had left Cars parked on Yellow Lines but also half on Pavement at the Keepmoat Car Boot yesterday - one was literally 10 yards from the Car Park 2 Gate - and they had all picked up a Ticket.

It was £1.50 to park I think but for that you had to walk from the Car Park near XP College of course - which is m-i-l-e-s  ! It is cheaper than whatever they will have to pay now - £90 maybe

... and yes I am great fun at parties

£60, £30 if you pay within 14 days. They never, ever come round the roads round the ground. Except they did at the playoff semi final last year and got me. 

[Dutch Uncle]

Many thanks for many very helpful replies.

As an update I have actually gone ahead and agreed a trade with the Hyundai dealer whereby I get a one year old Ioniq with 10K miles, he gets my 4 and a half year old diesel Tiguan due an MOT and needing work, and the difference I pay is more or less the money I have unfortunately saved by having to cancel a luxury holiday in Crete with my wife being a shielded person (managed to get full refunds including from Easyjet).

I am happy to be rid of my first (and last) diesel car and be greener. I am less happy with automatic but I am sure a couple of weeks will sort that out.

[Donnywolf]

Automatic - brilliant concept

Once I tried it in USA I swore I would never ever drive a geared car again. 2 pedals ideal. Press one to go and the other to stop

Crawling traffic on MWay for 10 miles involve hundred of gear changes and the bloke to your right is doing them again and again and so is your car lol !

[BillyStubbsTears]

Agreed Wolf.

I've never had an automatic car myself but had lots of auto hire cars. I cannot see the attraction of manuals anymore. And it'll save my marriage too. The number of times I gently say to Mrs S-T, "Err...you're still in 4th" at 80 on the motorway...

I'm picking up a Prius later this week. Going to be interesting seeing what that's like.

[dknward2]

Automatic are brilliant just put your left foot against your seat otherwise if you go for the clutch which has happened to people I know which results in a emergency stop when catching the break pedal

[Dagenham Rover]

I would never go back to a manual  it wont take long to get used to it

[drfchound]

Many thanks for many very helpful replies.

As an update I have actually gone ahead and agreed a trade with the Hyundai dealer whereby I get a one year old Ioniq with 10K miles, he gets my 4 and a half year old diesel Tiguan due an MOT and needing work, and the difference I pay is more or less the money I have unfortunately saved by having to cancel a luxury holiday in Crete with my wife being a shielded person (managed to get full refunds including from Easyjet).

I am happy to be rid of my first (and last) diesel car and be greener. I am less happy with automatic but I am sure a couple of weeks will sort that out.

Me and the wife have had automatics for years and years.
You won’t go back to manual gear change Dutch.

[BillyStubbsTears]

Automatic are brilliant just put your left foot against your seat otherwise if you go for the clutch which has happened to people I know which results in a emergency stop when catching the break pedal

I'll tell you my favourite ever anecdote on that score when I've got time.

[idler]

The only problem that I had wasn't getting used to the automatic. I forgot to put the clutch in crawling to the lights in the wife's manual. Two embarrassing stalls later and no problems in either format after that.

[SydneyRover]

I have driven automatics for years, I think they're still a little more expensive and a little less efficient but easy as.

[dknward2]

Automatic are brilliant just put your left foot against your seat otherwise if you go for the clutch which has happened to people I know which results in a emergency stop when catching the break pedal

I'll tell you my favourite ever anecdote on that score when I've got time.

Always got time BST not like we got anything else on

[BillyStubbsTears]

Automatic are brilliant just put your left foot against your seat otherwise if you go for the clutch which has happened to people I know which results in a emergency stop when catching the break pedal

I'll tell you my favourite ever anecdote on that score when I've got time.

Always got time BST not like we got anything else on

Right. Here goes.

30 years ago, I was working as a structural engineer for a company in Sheffield. I was involved with a lot of design and maintenance work at football grounds across the North.

One Friday afternoon, I got a phone call from the Secretary at Bramall Lane. Said there was an emergency and the match the next day was in jeopardy if we didn't sort it out. Could I get down there immediately.

Jumped in the car and got down to the ground. In the car park, there's a flash Rover with its back end all smashed in. When I went to reception, there's a young lass crying and being comforted by one of the admin staff. Met the Secretary and he took me pitch side and over towards the away end, where there used to be a standing terrace below the upper seating part of the stand. There were crush barriers along the front of the terrace, and one length was bent and buckled. Clearly they couldn't stage the match the next day with the barriers knackered like that. Could we get the lads in from the steel fabrication company we used, to work all night to fix the barriers?

I phoned them up and got them to come down and while we were waiting, the Secretary tells me what happened.

Apparently every Friday, the apprentices took the Directors' cars through the emergency vehicle access entry to pitch side, to use the big hose pipes they used to water the pitch to wash the cars. Then they brought them back out to the car park spick and span.

For some reason, this day, they'd left Derek Dooley's car pitch side then clocked off. So they'd sent this young admin lass to go and get it.

Derek Dooley of course had his leg amputated after breaking it badly when playing for Sheffield Weds in the 50s or 60s, then getting gangrene. So he had an automatic. But it was his RIGHT leg that had been amputated, so this automatic had the accelerator and brake pedals switched so he could use his left foot.

This lass had started backing the car up, gone to press the brake and hit the accelerator instead. Revved the thing up and smashed it straight into the crush barriers.





Well b*llocks to you, I thought it was a good story.

[dknward2]

Wow that’s an awesome story poor lass bet she was jabbing the pedal thinking why won’t it slow down

[Donnywolf]

Apparantly F1 cars are set up brake on right too and also despite them supposedly being "fly by wire" the pundits have started emphasising just how hard it is to actually press the pedal hard enough to stop the car ?