Dominic Cummings going going ..................

[IDM]

This was the pic..

[Donnywolf]

... AND a beauty

[albie]

BST,

It has been an open secret that DC was likely to leave in January.
All that has happened is that the internal wrangles have moved it forwards. Being a spoilt brat, he does not like that!

I think you are wrong if you believe that there is no strategy behind these changes. Not a plan set out in small detail, but a willingness to use opportunities as they arise to move forwards.

As I said, keep a beady on Gove.
He is the Murdoch choice!

[wilts rover]

Cummings was never going to go in January.

Why did he create the 'NASA style' command centre in Whitehall, have all the special advisors report to him, have a numbe rof senior civil servants removed in his plan to 'revolutionise it' and begin reviewing Defence Spending himself (including touring MOD bases) with a view to 'modernise' that, if he didn't plan to be there to oversee all this long term?

I am afraid I am of the 'there is no plan and Johnson is making it up as he goes along' party.

All Johnson is concerned about is himself and being popular. This week is due to Labour leading in the polls and Biden's election.

Little Trump has lost his leader and whatever plan he had to do that trade deal. They don't know what to do (with the EU trade deal, covid, the economy post-Brexit) his MP's are getting mutinous and this is the result.

Bluffers, liers and chancers the lot of them - with Johnson the worst of the lot.

[bpoolrover]

Quite agree wilts all the same these mps

[Filo]

It makes me sick all these Tory MP’s now coming out saying good riddance now he’s gone, where were their b*llocks when he was in the job, self serving bas**rds the lot of them!

[Bentley Bullet]

Yep!

[SydneyRover]

''On Friday night backbench MPs said a full reset was now needed to get a handle on the government operation, which has been left in tatters less than a year after Johnson won a resounding victory in the general election''

Tatters R US, it's always tatters wherever johson is, except tatters poorly describes it.

Shambles-tatters-shatters

[drfchound]

Quite agree wilts all the same these mps

I’ve been saying it for years bpool.

[DonnyOsmond]

The lie that all MPs are the same is the reason why people like Boris are elected.

[bpoolrover]

Donny so when people call the Tory party the nasty party and say there not interested in your average person that would be a lie to? A poster further up can’t remember who said they were chancers and liars the lot of them would you agree with that about the Tory mps?

[BillyStubbsTears]

Hound.

Know your history.

The first person I can find on record using the term "nasty party" about the Tories was Theresa May in her conference speech in 2002.

She said, "In recent years a number of politicians have behaved disgracefully and then com pounded their offences by trying to evade responsibility. We all know who they are. Let's face it, some of them have stood on this platform."

She went on to castigate Tory colleagues for "making political capital out of demonising minorities."

Ironic, I'll grant you, as she then went onto a career that was built in making political capital out of demonising minorities when she was Home Secretary, but there you go. I'll admit, I've got a personal revulsion for the woman as it was her Home Office that refused my British born and raised brother-in-law's perfectly valid claim for British citizenship when he wanted to join the RAF, on the basis that he couldn't provide suitable evidence that his Italian father had legally resided in Britain for 30 years until he died when his son was 8.

But there you go. Shameless hypocrite or not, it was her who first used the term in public as far as I can see.

[tyke1962]

Hound.

Know your history.

The first person I can find on record using the term "nasty party" about the Tories was Theresa May in her conference speech in 2002.

She said, "In recent years a number of politicians have behaved disgracefully and then com pounded their offences by trying to evade responsibility. We all know who they are. Let's face it, some of them have stood on this platform."

She went on to castigate Tory colleagues for "making political capital out of demonising minorities."

Ironic, I'll grant you, as she then went onto a career that was built in making political capital out of demonising minorities when she was Home Secretary, but there you go. I'll admit, I've got a personal revulsion for the woman as it was her Home Office that refused my British born and raised brother-in-law's perfectly valid claim for British citizenship when he wanted to join the RAF, on the basis that he couldn't provide suitable evidence that his Italian father had legally resided in Britain for 30 years until he died when his son was 8.

But there you go. Shameless hypocrite or not, it was her who first used the term in public as far as I can see.

When they are out of government as they were in 2002 Billy , lets at least put the record straight.

Different story when this vermin are in power  .

Has much as myself and Blair weren't on the same page entirely to say the least he really should have buried these feckers for ever .

[Donnywolf]

Reply to Wilts #33 above      as I cant "quote" yet

Nobody will be surprised that I agree with this extract. Its what I would have written had I have been awake LOL


I am afraid I am of the 'there is no plan and Johnson is making it up as he goes along' party.

All Johnson is concerned about is himself and being popular. This week is due to Labour leading in the polls and Biden's election.

Little Trump has lost his leader and whatever plan he had to do that trade deal. They don't know what to do (with the EU trade deal, covid, the economy post-Brexit) his MP's are getting mutinous and this is the result.

Bluffers, liers and chancers the lot of them - with Johnson the worst of the lot. dw

[SydneyRover]

Hound.

Know your history.

The first person I can find on record using the term "nasty party" about the Tories was Theresa May in her conference speech in 2002.

She said, "In recent years a number of politicians have behaved disgracefully and then com pounded their offences by trying to evade responsibility. We all know who they are. Let's face it, some of them have stood on this platform."

She went on to castigate Tory colleagues for "making political capital out of demonising minorities."

Ironic, I'll grant you, as she then went onto a career that was built in making political capital out of demonising minorities when she was Home Secretary, but there you go. I'll admit, I've got a personal revulsion for the woman as it was her Home Office that refused my British born and raised brother-in-law's perfectly valid claim for British citizenship when he wanted to join the RAF, on the basis that he couldn't provide suitable evidence that his Italian father had legally resided in Britain for 30 years until he died when his son was 8.

But there you go. Shameless hypocrite or not, it was her who first used the term in public as far as I can see.

Was history a link wolfie ................ asking for a friend

[drfchound]

Hound.

Know your history.

The first person I can find on record using the term "nasty party" about the Tories was Theresa May in her conference speech in 2002.

She said, "In recent years a number of politicians have behaved disgracefully and then com pounded their offences by trying to evade responsibility. We all know who they are. Let's face it, some of them have stood on this platform."

She went on to castigate Tory colleagues for "making political capital out of demonising minorities."

Ironic, I'll grant you, as she then went onto a career that was built in making political capital out of demonising minorities when she was Home Secretary, but there you go. I'll admit, I've got a personal revulsion for the woman as it was her Home Office that refused my British born and raised brother-in-law's perfectly valid claim for British citizenship when he wanted to join the RAF, on the basis that he couldn't provide suitable evidence that his Italian father had legally resided in Britain for 30 years until he died when his son was 8.

But there you go. Shameless hypocrite or not, it was her who first used the term in public as far as I can see.

BST, get your facts right.
You are suggesting that it was me who mentioned the nasty party.
Look again, it wasn’t me.

[Donnywolf]

Hi SR (#44 above)

Sorry dont understand the question ? I didnt post that anyway

[SydneyRover]

It was just a poke at those that don't read links wolfie, sorry to confuse

[SydneyRover]

Maybe it has just dawned johnson that he was sold a pup too.

[wilts rover]

If Dominic Cummings was sacked - as has been reported - why was he allowed to go out of the front door where photographers (and Robert Peston) were gathered?

Asked if Mr Cummings was gone for good after his ostentatious cardboard box exit, one Number 10 source said: "F*** knows. This could all be an elaborate plot to make journalists look foolish."

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/what-really-happened-boris-johnsons-23008426

These people run the country, we are in the middle of a pandemic with the economy in crises and business still with no clue if or how they will be able to trade in Europe in 49 days time, btw.

But they are 'all the same'....

[Donnywolf]

Yes he should have been marched out like he did to the woman that has just won 5 figure damages - because he did not have the authority to do so I think it said

They settled out of Court this week as "they" did not want the emails exposed that were at the root of the problem

[River Don]

So...

Flout the lock down rules, break various laws, undermine the government and do whatever the hell you and the Prime Minister will back you to the hilt and move heaven and earth to keep you in post.

But call his girlfriend Princess Nut Nuts and you're out so fast your feet won't touch the ground!

Good to know Boris has got his priorities right.

[Filo]

Perhaps Carrie is now the defacto PM now

[BillyStubbsTears]

Apologies Hound. My mistake. It was late...

[DonnyOsmond]

Blackpool - No I wouldn't suggest all Tory members are chancers or liars. Theresa May could have been a better leader but she wasn't a chancer or liar IMO.

[albie]

Wilts,

In reply to me, you said;

"Cummings was never going to go in January.

Why did he create the 'NASA style' command centre in Whitehall, have all the special advisors report to him, have a numbe rof senior civil servants removed in his plan to 'revolutionise it' and begin reviewing Defence Spending himself (including touring MOD bases) with a view to 'modernise' that, if he didn't plan to be there to oversee all this long term?"

In fact Cummings wrote in his blog last January of his intention to leave at the end of 2020.
He said;
"We want to improve performance, and make me much less important-and within a year, largely redundant".

He repeated this in May to anyone who would listen, but the media mob were on another theme.

I think his aim was to set up ARPA and other internal changes in order to step back, not to control it himself. The point (for him) was to ensure resilient system design, so that it would persist outside of his controlling influence.

As a non-Tory, Cummings was well aware of his limited lifespan in Downing Street. The baseline was to secure as much structural reform as could be achieved in the window available.

The running story is that Cummings knows where some of the bodies are buried. He can choose to detonate under Coco any time he likes....I believe he will, in order to promote a leadership coup in favour of Gove.

There is still some mileage in allowing Boris and his catchfart cabinet to dither further with Covid and a shambolic Brexit before replacing the clown.

[Donnywolf]

Albie

I have a couple of questions arising from your piece above

In fact Cummings wrote in his blog last January of his intention to leave at the end of 2020.
He said;
"We want to improve performance, and make me much less important-and within a year, largely redundant".


Did you actually see this as of last January. I only ask because he has a track record (proven) for altering his Blogs and so I thought yesterday - I wondered if he has altered that (a la 1984)


Secondly and again I thought this yesterday when I heard it he intended to make himself largely redundant. Now to me that is not the same as saying he was going to get out / leave / get redundancy to me it means I will have a hierarchy who do all the work and I will supervise them. If he had not used the word largely it would have a whole different meaning I think

[albie]

Wolf,

I was aware of Cummings position for quite a while, but I can't remember when I saw the piece in his blog.
You are right that he has changed things in the past, but I have not heard anyone claim that this entry has been revised.
If you know different, post a link.

He was repeating it during the May furore;
https://metro.co.uk/2020/05/28/dominic-cummings-considering-quitting-six-months-time-12773727/

Many media outlets did not focus on this aspect.

On your second point, Cummings thinks he does not have to be in Downing Street to make his systems work.
If the leave project still has staff in the building, and the system is resolute, maybe he believes that  he can continue to exert influence?

I don't really know is the truth!

[BillyStubbsTears]

Albie.

You're ignoring all the caveats in his previous comments about his position.

He was reported as saying in May that he'd leave at Xmas IF his plans to reorganise Govt were completed. (I will pass over the obvious fact that never once in any discussion before the election were plans to give an unelected egomaniac unfettered power to reorganise the way we govern ourselves...)

The point is, those plans HAVEN'T been completed. In fact, he has lost the battle to even structure the No10 Office that he was in control of.

So I don't see how you can say that his mission is complete and he's leaving on his terms. I'd argue that my interpretation is the more accurate one. He's just lost a power struggle and his ego doesn't allow him to do anything else but flounce out. He's gone off like a hand grenade every time anyone has tried to put him in a box and this is just another example of it.

[i_ateallthepies]

We may not have seen the last of him yet.  He was Gove's advisor before Johnson's.  Once Gove replaces Coco I wouldn't bet against Gove bringing Cunnings back.