Fans reaction at Millwall to BLM

[normal rules]

Interesting one this. The MSM have come of and condemned it. No surprise there.
It had to be Millwall of course that brought attention upon themselves for this.
I have asked myself what I think of this, and would like to put it to the floor.
I have served queen and country and had the pleasure of serving alongside many BAME colleagues with pride. I am most definitely not racist, conscious or otherwise.
I understand there are many communities across the globe that still suffer discrimination and prejudice and this is wrong.
But BLM is a political movement supporting ant capitalism, defunding the police amongst others. They have been described as a Marxist movement. This is well documented. They don’t hide behind these facts.
It does not belong in sport. Politics and sport should not mix imho. We know what happens when it does. You only have to look at Olympic history to see this.
Taking a knee  has had its day. Leave it for the streets of Washington DC.
The kick it out campaign was, I understand, very successful and supported wholly across the whole football pyramid.
BLM is much much more than this though, and not necessarily positive.
I wonder how the faithful at the KM would react to players taking the knee?
Thoughts?

[steve@dcfd]

If they can’t prove who booed then for me the supporters who got a ticket for today should not be allowed to have another ticket until the supporters can come back normally.  It’s harsh but it shows that racism does exist in football supporters. Sports personnel are not a political movement as you put but there are right wing supporters in football.

[Padge_DRFC]

Don't think politics had anything to do with Millwall's decision to boo. Always been a problem there.

It's the only ground it's been an issue at today?

As you mentioned in OP it's the political side of it most folk are sick of.

[RoversAlias]

BLM is NOT a political movement or anything of the sort. I don't really know why people think it is. Kneeling is a show of solidarity and a commitment to anti-racism which surely all people in their right minds should be?

If you don't agree with it, that's absolutely fine. I personally do not mind if teams and players stop doing it before games now. It hasn't happened at every Rovers game. However, those who boo it are basically just saying they disagree with a 5 second gesture of solidarity against racism and the oppression of black people. Why? It doesn't hurt anyone to kneel for five seconds and show that support.

Those Millwall fans will think they're really clever tonight. They aren't. It just sends the message that Millwall FC aren't against racism. As I said in the other thread, I'm not sure how that team's black players must feel about that.

[wilts rover]

Great respect for your service nr.

I would expect when you served you belived you were defending the right of people in this country to have freedom of expression.

So why on earth would anyone boo at someone else carrying out an anti-racist gesture? Kindda looks like they don't like those people having freedon of expression?

[Wiltshire Exile]

From the BBC website:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/55168557

I’ve always liked the opinions of Dion Dublin; talks a lot of sense and has great sense of humour. But I can’t agree with him when he says:

Former Coventry and Aston Villa striker Dion Dublin, who had a loan spell at Millwall in 2002, added: "They don't agree with taking the knee, which means they are racist. They don't agree with Black Lives Matter; that says they are racist to me.”
Sorry, Dion, you are totally wrong...in my opinion. I don’t agree with the Black Lives Matter movement, but in no way am I racist. All lives matter.

[Janso]

From the BBC website:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/55168557

I’ve always liked the opinions of Dion Dublin; talks a lot of sense and has great sense of humour. But I can’t agree with him when he says:

Former Coventry and Aston Villa striker Dion Dublin, who had a loan spell at Millwall in 2002, added: "They don't agree with taking the knee, which means they are racist. They don't agree with Black Lives Matter; that says they are racist to me.”
Sorry, Dion, you are totally wrong...in my opinion. I don’t agree with the Black Lives Matter movement, but in no way am I racist. All lives matter.

But the point people miss is... they're not saying that not "all lives matter". They're saying black lives matter too!

[NickDRFC]

I find it amazing that people still think that Black Lives Matter in any way implies that other races don’t. Quite remarkable.

I think it’s understandable if people have their reservations about taking a knee continuing, but to boo it is something else altogether.

[wilts rover]

Just been on the Quest highlights.

'We should have been talking about the game and fans being back. Instead we are talking about something negative. It clearly upset the (Millwall) players and they didn't know what to do. It's a problem for the club'.

[Geoff Blakesley]

It's simple BLM means Black Lives Matter. They do don't they ?

[drfchound]

The taking of the knee began at our football matches to show support after the George Floyd killing.
Does it have to continue or if it stops does it mean that people don’t support the BLM anymore.

After all, lots of people went out at 8pm on Thursday evenings to show support for the NHS but just because that stopped it doesn’t mean that people don’t still support and appreciate the NHS.

[sedwardsdrfc]

Any suggestion that they are booing for the political reasons is nonsense. The concept of such things is beyond them I’m afraid.

I’m not sure how successful the kick it out campaign actually was either

[IDM]

A couple of points..

The BLM organisation the OP refers to, and the Black Lives Matter philosophy which is the calling of the anti-racism actions such as taking a knee, are two different things..

Secondly, in principle, of course all lives matter including black lives.

But the emphasis is on Black Lives Matter because for decades, centuries even, many parts of society behave in a way that black lives don’t matter..

By all means debate whether taking a knee at football or elsewhere has run its course or not, but to boo it, that just demonstrates the opposite.

Shame on them.

[Wiltshire Exile]

It's simple BLM means Black Lives Matter. They do don't they ?

Of course they do. As I’ve previously said, ALL lives matter

[IDM]

It's simple BLM means Black Lives Matter. They do don't they ?

Of course they do. As I’ve previously said ALL lives matter

Read my post above as to why folks say Black Lives Matter now, to counter those who think they don’t..

[DonnyOsmond]

The taking of the knee began at our football matches to show support after the George Floyd killing.
Does it have to continue or if it stops does it mean that people don’t support the BLM anymore.

After all, lots of people went out at 8pm on Thursday evenings to show support for the NHS but just because that stopped it doesn’t mean that people don’t still support and appreciate the NHS.

Stopping isn't an issue. Booing is the issue. If someone came out their door at 8pm on a Thursday booing the NHS you'd look at them like they were on crack.

[Wiltshire Exile]

The taking of the knee began at our football matches to show support after the George Floyd killing.
Does it have to continue or if it stops does it mean that people don’t support the BLM anymore.

After all, lots of people went out at 8pm on Thursday evenings to show support for the NHS but just because that stopped it doesn’t mean that people don’t still support and appreciate the NHS.

This

[DonnyOsmond]

Taking a knee is a symbol that black lives do matter too, as well as other races, equally. Forget trying to politicise it just because a minority use the name BLM for their own wrong agendas, in the same way the EDL use the St George's flag... The flags not a symbol of racism in the same as the term black lives matter isn't a racist or in any way dangerous thing. Taking a knee is a way of those players on the pitch showing they're united despite possibly being from different backgrounds, they're all equals... Booing makes it seem like you're against that message, that everyone is equal.

[RoversAlias]

It's simple BLM means Black Lives Matter. They do don't they ?

Of course they do. As I’ve previously said, ALL lives matter

The best analogy I've seen about this is the house fire one.

If you have a row of houses, and one is on fire, you don't come out to lecture the fire department putting the fire out and tell them that all houses need their attention.

Of course every life matters, but this movement is borne out of the fact that black society is disproportionately discriminated against (originally in America) and much more likely to be killed by police unnecessarily. It is a call for everyone to take note and work to change society for the better by eliminating prejudice against those who are persecuted for something as simple as the colour of their skin.

It really isn't much more complicated than that.

[colfromdonny]

It's gonna kick off this week end with the knee bending. You heard it here first.

It was forecast

[danumdon]

Any suggestion that they are booing for the political reasons is nonsense. The concept of such things is beyond them I’m afraid.

I’m not sure how successful the kick it out campaign actually was either


I believe the above has it about right, you wear a poppy for the month leading up to remembrance day then its allowed to sink back into the thoughts of people who have an attachment.

This campaign ran its course after a month, to carry on now risks it becoming  troublesome for the players, FA and the crowds reacting to it. Time to put it to bed.

[Janso]

The taking of the knee began at our football matches to show support after the George Floyd killing.
Does it have to continue or if it stops does it mean that people don’t support the BLM anymore.

After all, lots of people went out at 8pm on Thursday evenings to show support for the NHS but just because that stopped it doesn’t mean that people don’t still support and appreciate the NHS.

But do people really need to actively boo it?

[DonnyOsmond]

Any suggestion that they are booing for the political reasons is nonsense. The concept of such things is beyond them I’m afraid.

I’m not sure how successful the kick it out campaign actually was either


I believe the above has it about right, you wear a poppy for the month leading up to remembrance day then its allowed to sink back into the thoughts of people who have an attachment.

This campaign ran its course after a month, to carry on now risks it becoming  troublesome for the players, FA and the crowds reacting to it. Time to put it to bed.

Why should the campaign be troublesome though? It just makes it look like people are uncomfortable with a campaign for equality and want it hushing quickly.

[drfchound]

The taking of the knee began at our football matches to show support after the George Floyd killing.
Does it have to continue or if it stops does it mean that people don’t support the BLM anymore.

After all, lots of people went out at 8pm on Thursday evenings to show support for the NHS but just because that stopped it doesn’t mean that people don’t still support and appreciate the NHS.

But do people really need to actively boo it?

No, and I’m not saying that they should.
The OP asked for thoughts on this subject.

[PDX_Rover]

Here in the States BLM has been wrongly associated with defund the police etc by biased media and Trump supporters. BLM has gone to lengths to distance themselves from radicalists.

It’s a systemic problem here - the black and brown communities being disproportionately targeted by authorities. Hopefully there is enough momentum now to stop racism.

[Branton Rover]

As much as it may offend people the fans reaction to the taking of the knee - they have the right to show their displeasure by booing - it’s a free expression thing - they have the right to say this is football and not politics and the two must be kept separate.

[danumdon]

The taking of the knee began at our football matches to show support after the George Floyd killing.
Does it have to continue or if it stops does it mean that people don’t support the BLM anymore.

After all, lots of people went out at 8pm on Thursday evenings to show support for the NHS but just because that stopped it doesn’t mean that people don’t still support and appreciate the NHS.

Any suggestion that they are booing for the political reasons is nonsense. The concept of such things is beyond them I’m afraid.

I’m not sure how successful the kick it out campaign actually was either


I believe the above has it about right, you wear a poppy for the month leading up to remembrance day then its allowed to sink back into the thoughts of people who have an attachment.

This campaign ran its course after a month, to carry on now risks it becoming  troublesome for the players, FA and the crowds reacting to it. Time to put it to bed.

Why should the campaign be troublesome though? It just makes it look like people are uncomfortable with a campaign for equality and want it hushing quickly.

i think the crowd reaction at Millwall demonstrated that,

The fact that people highlighted that this would be the expected reaction and that the FA officials decided that this was something they wanted to continue tells you everything you need to know about the FA and competence.

[Janso]

The taking of the knee began at our football matches to show support after the George Floyd killing.
Does it have to continue or if it stops does it mean that people don’t support the BLM anymore.

After all, lots of people went out at 8pm on Thursday evenings to show support for the NHS but just because that stopped it doesn’t mean that people don’t still support and appreciate the NHS.

Any suggestion that they are booing for the political reasons is nonsense. The concept of such things is beyond them I’m afraid.

I’m not sure how successful the kick it out campaign actually was either


I believe the above has it about right, you wear a poppy for the month leading up to remembrance day then its allowed to sink back into the thoughts of people who have an attachment.

This campaign ran its course after a month, to carry on now risks it becoming  troublesome for the players, FA and the crowds reacting to it. Time to put it to bed.

Why should the campaign be troublesome though? It just makes it look like people are uncomfortable with a campaign for equality and want it hushing quickly.

i think the crowd reaction at Millwall demonstrated that,

The fact that people highlighted that this would be the expected reaction and that the FA officials decided that this was something they wanted to continue tells you everything you need to know about the FA and competence.

Yeah, they should've just caved into a fan group with a history of open racism.

[steve@dcfd]

As much as it may offend people the fans reaction to the taking of the knee - they have the right to show their displeasure by booing - it’s a free expression thing - they have the right to say this is football and not politics and the two must be kept separate.

But they booed because they are right wing racist stop making excuses.

[danumdon]

I can imagine it happening at more grounds as they start to open up, what do we think the reaction of the authorities will be then?