Fans reaction at Millwall to BLM

[Janso]

And them that are saying they are NOT are left wing fanatics

Hahahaha, pound shop WUM here. Going to ignore you from now on.

[IDM]

And your brave behind your computer

Look in the mirror..

Oh and by the way, taking the knee preceded that murder. 

Opposing racism has nowt to do with political leanings.

[SydneyRover]

The way to ensure that taking a knee doesn't have to continue is for each person, their family, their friends their collegues to make sure discrimination is not tolerated when all people of colour have equality then taking a knee will be redundant.

[mjg]

SNOWFLAKES SNOWFLAKES EVERYWHERE

[DonnyOsmond]

SNOWFLAKES SNOWFLAKES EVERYWHERE

Yes, they're the ones who are offended with equality they decided to boo it.

[SoundbiteBarmyArmy]

https://amp-theguardian-com.cdn.ampproject.org/v/s/amp.theguardian.com/world/2020/dec/06/millwall-fans-who-booed-players-taking-a-knee-should-be-respected-says-eustice?amp_js_v=a6&amp_gsa=1&usqp=mq331AQFKAGwASA%3D#csi=1&referrer=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.google.com&amp_tf=From%20%251%24s&ampshare=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.theguardian.com%2Fworld%2F2020%2Fdec%2F06%2Fmillwall-fans-who-booed-players-taking-a-knee-should-be-respected-says-eustice

[Glyn_Wigley]

Good on them , I’m going to boo as well

That is the laziest piece of shitstirring I've ever seen.

[Not Now Kato]

https://amp-theguardian-com.cdn.ampproject.org/v/s/amp.theguardian.com/world/2020/dec/06/millwall-fans-who-booed-players-taking-a-knee-should-be-respected-says-eustice?amp_js_v=a6&amp_gsa=1&usqp=mq331AQFKAGwASA%3D#csi=1&referrer=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.google.com&amp_tf=From%20%251%24s&ampshare=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.theguardian.com%2Fworld%2F2020%2Fdec%2F06%2Fmillwall-fans-who-booed-players-taking-a-knee-should-be-respected-says-eustice

They don't call him Useless Eustice for nothing.

[BillyStubbsTears]

When asking why players are taking the knee to show solidarity with black colleagues and opponents, there's some context worth remembering. It is only a decade since the England captain called a fellow pro a "f**king black Kitson" and, when he had the armband removed, the England manager resigned in protest.

[IDM]

SNOWFLAKES SNOWFLAKES EVERYWHERE

Go on then, I’ll bite on behalf of everyone else..

Why don’t you just do us all a favour and f**k right off.?

[MachoMadness]

SNOWFLAKES SNOWFLAKES EVERYWHERE

[bpoolrover]

When asking why players are taking the knee to show solidarity with black colleagues and opponents, there's some context worth remembering. It is only a decade since the England captain called a fellow pro a "f**king black Kitson" and, when he had the armband removed, the England manager resigned in protest.

did terry not get found not guilty, I might be wrong thou?

[BillyStubbsTears]

The magistrate said in his ruling that there was no doubt that Terry had said those exact words. He was found not guilty of racial abuse because for some reason, the magistrate said he couldn't be certain that Terry hadn't been joking.

[wilts rover]

Millwall are a pretty unique club in London , its drawn it's support from the traditional white working class in south east London and in to Kent .

Modern day Spurs , Arsenal or Chelsea it most certainly isn't and never will be .

This is the section of society who have seen their communities change vastly because of mass immigration and have ended up the losers in globalisation both culturally and possibly economically .

Nobody speaks for them because the Labour Party decided many years ago to hang their hat on another peg .

Why would they embrace their players taking the knee or throwing their hat behind minority groups when nobody speaks for them ? .

To call them racists and bigots is the standard play of the liberal left without first acknowledging globalisation is a two way street for many traditional communities in the UK .

They have every right to call this tokenism out as they see it and should be able to do so without accusations from the usual suspects in the MSM and liberal left .

As the song goes , nobody likes us but we don't care .

What a load of rubbish. So black people in that area haven't been 'left behind by globilisation then'?

The actual club have won awards for their anti-racism work. And the reason they have done so much anti-racist work is the historic link between supporters of that club and far-right, neo-facist, racist groups from the late 1960's onwards.

There is only one reason why (a section) of that crowed booed an anti-racist gesture - and it's got nothing to do with globilisation.

[MachoMadness]

It all started in the USA when the fella died when the police knelt on his neck , the people went on to ruin people’s businesses through violence  looting and destruction, I with boo the taking a knee as all it does is encourage racism not cure it

All it does is encourage racism!


Anyone saying this is on the wrong side of history.

[wilts rover]

Club statement

"Millwall Football Club was dismayed and saddened by events which marred Saturday's game against Derby County at the Den," said the club in a statement.

"The club has worked tirelessly in recent months to prepare for the return of supporters and what should have been a positive and exciting occasion was completely overshadowed, much to the immense disappointment and upset of those who have contributed to those efforts.

"The impact of such incidents is felt not just by the players and management, but by those who work throughout the club and in its academy and community trust, where so many staff and volunteers continue passionate endeavours to enhance Millwall's reputation day after day, year after year.

"The club will not allow their fine work to be in vain.

"The players are continuing to use the biggest platform they have to support the drive for change, not just in football but in society generally.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/55168557

"There is much work to be done and at Millwall everyone is committed to doing all that is possible, both individually and collectively, to be a force for good and to ensure that the club remains at the forefront of football's anti-discrimination efforts."

[Draytonian III]

This morning on Sky Sports News they put up a written piece that Harriott who plays for Colchester said it happened before their match. I’m only repeating what was on the television this morning, nothing else

[wilts rover]

Millwall defender Mahlon Romeo

"The fans who have been let in today have personally disrespected not just me but the football club... I'm almost lost for words, I don't know how they thought that would make me feel"

https://twitter.com/AmenTesfay/status/1335577071238713345

[MachoMadness]

Paul Embery, held up as an eminent working class thinker, pulling the old "you can't be racist if you have black friends" routine in that tweet. Embarrassing.

[bpoolrover]

The magistrate said in his ruling that there was no doubt that Terry had said those exact words. He was found not guilty of racial abuse because for some reason, the magistrate said he couldn't be certain that Terry hadn't been joking.

thank you I didn’t have much time or would have looked it up

[VivaRovers]

Why would they embrace their players taking the knee or throwing their hat behind minority groups when nobody speaks for them ? .

Shared identity for one. Population-wise Lewisham Borough – Millwall's base for the last 100 years, and where I've lived for the past five – is around (and probably over) 50% BAME. If you can't recognise the struggles of your neighbours, your colleagues, your kids' classmates, the people you pass in the street everyday as being akin to your own struggles then you're being wilfully obtuse to support an agenda. If your gripe is that no-one listens to you, then why would you boo an action that supports an anti-racist cause, instead of taking more positive actions to make yourselves heard?

I feel sorry for the people at Millwall who work so hard in the local community to engage the kids who then are going to be put off attending the club's matches and supporting it for years to come by the ridiculous actions of other club supporters. Lewisham has a proud anti-racism history, from the Battle of Lewisham which concluded a few streets away from the old Den, to its current aim to be a borough of sanctuary for refugees and its future definitely depends on embracing its diversity. It's a tragic shame that having been misled through years of political immigrant-bashing, some just see difference as a threat, rather than acknowledge and respect a cause they have so much in common with.

[normal rules]

More info has come out about this incident. The Millwall Facebook page makes interesting reading. The vast majority on their support anti racism, but do not support BLM.
Also worth noting is that one of the black players for Derby raised a clenched fist during the taking of the knee. This is believed to signify the “black power “ movement. These are black supremacists. Adds a different dimension to proceedings perhaps?
It’s also clear now that Millwall FC were fully expecting an adverse reaction to taking the knee as their had been supporter engagement prior to the game. A supporter contingent expressly stated they supported anti racism, but not the BLM movement. The club chose to continue.

[normal rules]

Boos have also been heard during taking knee at Colchester and West Ham. No mention of this in the MSM.

[ravenrover]

So the question for AL is was it planned and co-ordinated in advance? If so why? Does he condone it?

[wilts rover]

More info has come out about this incident. The Millwall Facebook page makes interesting reading. The vast majority on their support anti racism, but do not support BLM.
Also worth noting is that one of the black players for Derby raised a clenched fist during the taking of the knee. This is believed to signify the “black power “ movement. These are black supremacists. Adds a different dimension to proceedings perhaps?
It’s also clear now that Millwall FC were fully expecting an adverse reaction to taking the knee as their had been supporter engagement prior to the game. A supporter contingent expressly stated they supported anti racism, but not the BLM movement. The club chose to continue.

Booing your own players performing an anti-racist gesture is a funny way of showing you are anti-racist if you ask me. I reckon it's the difference between what you say - and what you do.

It also differs remarkabley from what the club - and players - say. As noted above.

As an ex-veteran yourself you might be interested in how taking a knee has come to be used as an anti-racist gesture - so you can put people right on this.

It's history goes back to Martin Luther King pausing on a civil rights march in Alabama in 1965:

https://globalnews.ca/news/3769534/martin-luther-king-jr-take-a-knee-history/

However Colin Kapernick got the idea of reviving it from an ex-US special forces veteran. As that is how they honour their comrades who have fallen in action:

And, you know, people - in my opinions and in my experience, kneeling's never been in our history really seen as a disrespectful act. I mean, people kneel when they get knighted. You kneel to propose to your wife, and you take a knee to pray. And soldiers often take a knee in front of a fallen brother's grave to pay respects. So I thought, if anything, besides standing, that was the most respectful. But, of course, that's just my opinion.

https://www.npr.org/2018/09/09/646115651/the-veteran-and-nfl-player-who-advised-kaepernick-to-take-a-knee?t=1607286437834

[normal rules]

More info has come out about this incident. The Millwall Facebook page makes interesting reading. The vast majority on their support anti racism, but do not support BLM.
Also worth noting is that one of the black players for Derby raised a clenched fist during the taking of the knee. This is believed to signify the “black power “ movement. These are black supremacists. Adds a different dimension to proceedings perhaps?
It’s also clear now that Millwall FC were fully expecting an adverse reaction to taking the knee as their had been supporter engagement prior to the game. A supporter contingent expressly stated they supported anti racism, but not the BLM movement. The club chose to continue.

Booing your own players performing an anti-racist gesture is a funny way of showing you are anti-racist if you ask me. I reckon it's the difference between what you say - and what you do.

It also differs remarkabley from what the club - and players - say. As noted above.

As an ex-veteran yourself you might be interested in how taking a knee has come to be used as an anti-racist gesture - so you can put people right on this.

It's history goes back to Martin Luther King pausing on a civil rights march in Alabama in 1965:

https://globalnews.ca/news/3769534/martin-luther-king-jr-take-a-knee-history/

However Colin Kapernick got the idea of reviving it from an ex-US special forces veteran. As that is how they honour their comrades who have fallen in action:

And, you know, people - in my opinions and in my experience, kneeling's never been in our history really seen as a disrespectful act. I mean, people kneel when they get knighted. You kneel to propose to your wife, and you take a knee to pray. And soldiers often take a knee in front of a fallen brother's grave to pay respects. So I thought, if anything, besides standing, that was the most respectful. But, of course, that's just my opinion.

https://www.npr.org/2018/09/09/646115651/the-veteran-and-nfl-player-who-advised-kaepernick-to-take-a-knee?t=1607286437834

Yep, I was aware of this. Quarterback knee I believe it was coined.
It is a shame though that the act of taking the knee has been associated rightly or wrongly with the BLM movement. The movement as I am sure you are aware, is huge and will have a very wide spread of differing opinions and bias within it. Some low key, some middle ground and some downright extreme, violent and worrying.
I suspect those at Millwall, reading, West Ham and Colchester protest against the extremist ideology that definitely exists within this movement.

I whole heartedly support anti racism.  You never heard supporters booing the wearing of armbands or shirt logos for the kick it out campaign.
BLM is rapidly becoming politically motivated. There is news that a Black Lives Matter uk movement has applied for political status to be voted on , possibly next year. Although no one is admitting affiliation to this officially.

The 2000 that were in the Den on Saturday would have been die hard supporters. Sth no doubt. Life long supporters. They have voiced their opinion, rightly or wrongly and are being hammered by the MSM and Millwall fc. Their club will suffer as a result, of this there is no doubt. Sponsors may pull out, players and agents may be reluctant to go their, some current players may want to leave. Youngsters may steer clear of academy teams.
Other supporters at other clubs have booed. No media coverage?
Millwall play at home on Tuesday night. Some of their supporters are already predicting issues. If Romeo does not play they are saying it’s because of the fans. If fans boo again then The players may leave the pitch. Some are advocating not going at all and a boycott.
One thing is certain. The worlds cameras will be watching.

Football at the Den will never be the same again. As one fan put it, Millwall fc has declared civil war on its own core supporter base.

The question remains , was the booing instigated by the knee taking only, or was the raised fist a factor?
I too look forward to Axholme Lions take on this.

[wilts rover]

Resonable post nr

[normal rules]

And taking a knee is an ultimately respectful thing to do. Knighthood, marriage, fallen comrades and racial equality.  Totally behind this.
But I lost all respect for BLM when I not only saw it plastered all over the National Cenotaph, but the next morning when some soldiers attended to clean it in their own time they were abused and heckled as racists. This was accompanied of course by the well documented ritual tearing down of parts of our national history.

And let’s be fair, it’s not just football is it. The irony of Lewis Hamilton and Mercedes?
A company who made its fortune and was built on slave Labour.

Perhaps the FA should take a leaf from the FIA book who is a signatory to the Olympic charter which forbids any form of demonstration or political, religious or racial propaganda.
The next World Cup will be interesting?
There is a very toxic element of this movement, perhaps a minority spoiling it for others, but I don’t want them having anything to do with football or the wider community in the UK.
There will be no winners in this.
Ask a Millwall supporter in a few years time when they are non league.

[MachoMadness]

Here's what's interesting to me. The double standard. Several hundred football supporters - at least - do something racist at several grounds across the country, and people are willing to jump through any hoop to justify it. "They're not racist, they're just concerned about immigration! They just don't want politics in football! They're just expressing their view!"

But one BLM protestor does something objectionable - burning the flag at the cenotaph, which was stupid and wrong without a doubt - and suddenly the whole movement and guiding principle of black lives matter is written off. It couldn't be more obvious that many people are looking for any excuse to disregard the movement. That attitude is exactly why the movement is necessary and why it's not going anywhere any time soon. If that makes you uncomfortable, then frankly you're on the wrong side of history.

[normal rules]

You need to view the videos of the looting in America that was prevalent during BLM protests. Thankfully this has not pervaded in the uk. Yet.

And I wish people and the MSM would not tarnish anyone that does not fully support BLM as racist. This too is part of the issue. It’s like saying if you don’t support Antifa then you must be a fascist, or if you dont support the EDL or BNP then you must be un patriotic
Utter nonsense.
Come to think of it, those that align themselves with Antifa tend to hold anti-authoritarian, anti-capitalist, and anti-state views, subscribing to a range of left-wing ideologies such as anarchism, communism, Marxism, social democracy, and socialism

Sounds familiar?
Oh yes, BLM have pretty much all of this in their manifesto. Including de funding the police. The advocates of this within the movement may pervade towards the more extreme ideology, but that is how they will be judged overall.
BLM has become much more than just racial equality sadly.

The premier league now has double the amount of BAME players it had when it started. This is being replicated through all leagues.
Euro 2012 had 50% of all players from a BAME background.
Football has made huge strides in a positive direction towards racial equality. And it will continue to do so. It does not need BLM.

I speak as a Rovers supporter proud to have Darren Moore as our manager.