Fans reaction at Millwall to BLM

[wilts rover]

The slogan isn't political. The far-right have tried to tie it into politics so it's easier to undermine the movement. It's the same thing they've done for decades. Why should the black civil rights movement change their approach to accommodate fragile white boomers who are already looking for any reason to ignore BLM anyway? Nobody stops talking about green eco-friendly stuff just because we have a Green party. Should Rosa Parks have decided to sit a few seats further back so it didn't upset people like you?

Is it too much to ask to be able to go to the match, meet your mates, watch the game and let off a bit of steam without being preached at? I am absolutely sick to death of it everywhere you go, ruining the enjoyment of what little life we are allowed to have.
The club have chucked us under the bus to save themselves and the players.

But's it you that is doing the preaching - telling people what they can do and what symbolism can and cannot be adopted by Millwall.

The 'fans' had the opportunity to ignore it if they didn't like it. They chose not to. This is the consequence of those actions.

It's no-one elses fault other than the people who carried it out.

The club should do as the supporters wish them to. Let's see how long they would last without us? It's not like some big PL team with a waiting list for season tickets and they know it.

And the supporters should act in a responsible way, as the club and society in general expect them too.

[BradwellRover]

The slogan isn't political. The far-right have tried to tie it into politics so it's easier to undermine the movement. It's the same thing they've done for decades. Why should the black civil rights movement change their approach to accommodate fragile white boomers who are already looking for any reason to ignore BLM anyway? Nobody stops talking about green eco-friendly stuff just because we have a Green party. Should Rosa Parks have decided to sit a few seats further back so it didn't upset people like you?

Is it too much to ask to be able to go to the match, meet your mates, watch the game and let off a bit of steam without being preached at? I am absolutely sick to death of it everywhere you go, ruining the enjoyment of what little life we are allowed to have.
The club have chucked us under the bus to save themselves and the players.

But's it you that is doing the preaching - telling people what they can do and what symbolism can and cannot be adopted by Millwall.

The 'fans' had the opportunity to ignore it if they didn't like it. They chose not to. This is the consequence of those actions.

It's no-one elses fault other than the people who carried it out.

The club should do as the supporters wish them to. Let's see how long they would last without us? It's not like some big PL team with a waiting list for season tickets and they know it.

No they shouldn’t just do as the supporters wish them to do, that’s clearly ludicrous. Like any organisation they need to think about all of their stakeholders and take a balanced view. 

Further, the attempts to portray the fans as one  group in complete agreement is also wrong, which can be evidenced by even a cursory review of social media. 

[BradwellRover]

Both teams have decided to to link arms
And not take the knee tomorrow night

So they are still making a statement about their support for the principle.

Which is fine by me as it clearly distances from the politics of BLM.
Everyone I know is more than happy with this outcome.

Utter revisionist crap.

It was racism, not a co-ordinated stand against anything.

[selby]

 And the movement BLM isn't at all is it Bradwell.  They just realised who pays their wages mate.

[BradwellRover]

I’m sorry, I don’t understand the question Selby?

[no eyed deer]

Was there booing tonight ? I've look on the main newspapers, but just talking about the PSV game.

[DonnyOsmond]

Was there booing tonight ? I've look on the main newspapers, but just talking about the PSV game.

Wasn't bad at all from the look of things. Some players from both sides knelt and a couple QPR players did too when they scored. Hopefully Millwall fans have grown up in the last couple of days.

[Padge_DRFC]

No there was applause for the equality banner Millwall players had and one of their players at the end with a kickitout t-shirt. No booing.

[Axholme Lion]

Sky, Talksport, BBC are all gutted because we proved that what we said all along was true. They can all crawl back under their grubby little stone now. Hopefully we have shown the way for the supporters of other teams to show how they feel about the true racists of BLM.
So proud to be Millwall.

[IDM]

So, Millwall fans’ issue is with the extreme end of the Black Lives Matter political movement.?  How come (almost) everyone else sees the taking of a knee as a non-political anti-racism gesture..

[Axholme Lion]

So, Millwall fans’ issue is with the extreme end of the Black Lives Matter political movement.?  How come (almost) everyone else sees the taking of a knee as a non-political anti-racism gesture..

Do they? Even QPR fans are complaining about the behaviour of their own players with the overtly political goal celebration. Where are all the wokies complaining about that when they were quick enough to jump on our backs.
The support clearly showed last night that we are not a racist fanbase.

[ravenrover]

Blimey looks like a picture from the 70's

[bpoolrover]

So, Millwall fans’ issue is with the extreme end of the Black Lives Matter political movement.?  How come (almost) everyone else sees the taking of a knee as a non-political anti-racism gesture..

not sure that’s quite right, I’m only going off other social media sites and it’s pretty much 50/50

[bpoolrover]

Blimey looks like a picture from the 70's

it is I think sure I’ve seen that on a film or something lol

[belton rover]

So, Millwall fans’ issue is with the extreme end of the Black Lives Matter political movement.?  How come (almost) everyone else sees the taking of a knee as a non-political anti-racism gesture..

If you really believe that this is (almost) just a Millwall fans’ issue, then that’s a huge concern in itself.

[Axholme Lion]

Blimey looks like a picture from the 70's

it is I think sure I’ve seen that on a film or something lol

One of the lads on MO put it up.

[BradwellRover]

Sky, Talksport, BBC are all gutted because we proved that what we said all along was true. They can all crawl back under their grubby little stone now. Hopefully we have shown the way for the supporters of other teams to show how they feel about the true racists of BLM.
So proud to be Millwall.

I am 100% convinced that the booing would have continued had those media organisations not shone a light on it.  As I’ve stated above, the revisionism is preposterous- Millwall fans were not making an anti-Marxist/anti-racist stand and the only people you are kidding is yourselves.

This whole episode is incredibly sad and the reputation of your clubs fans has been further tarnished by it, so I find your pride hard to understand.  I would be ashamed if it was DRFC.  But at least the truth is out now and people can stop fooling themselves that racism is not alive and well.

I’m going to leave it as that, as I have no interest in engaging with you any further (on this or any other topic) or giving your claims any legitimacy by replying.  The fact that you have resorted to using pejorative terms (wokies) in place of sensible debate says everything.

[Axholme Lion]

Sky, Talksport, BBC are all gutted because we proved that what we said all along was true. They can all crawl back under their grubby little stone now. Hopefully we have shown the way for the supporters of other teams to show how they feel about the true racists of BLM.
So proud to be Millwall.

I am 100% convinced that the booing would have continued had those media organisations not shone a light on it.  As I’ve stated above, the revisionism is preposterous- Millwall fans were not making an anti-Marxist/anti-racist stand and the only people you are kidding is yourselves.

This whole episode is incredibly sad and the reputation of your clubs fans has been further tarnished by it, so I find your pride hard to understand.  I would be ashamed if it was DRFC.  But at least the truth is out now and people can stop fooling themselves that racism is not alive and well.

I’m going to leave it as that, as I have no interest in engaging with you any further (on this or any other topic) or giving your claims any legitimacy by replying.  The fact that you have resorted to using pejorative terms (wokies) in place of sensible debate says everything.

Fair enough. But if you want to educate yourself go and look at the opinions of many of our supporters on this subject.

https://millwall-forum.vitalfootball.co.uk/forums/north-stand-banter.6/

All colours are welcome at the Den. If they're stood by my side and shouting for Wall then they are my mates. I suggest it's people like you with your identity politics who are causing the problem. All we want is to watch the match and have a laugh. Goodbye.

[bpoolrover]

Sky, Talksport, BBC are all gutted because we proved that what we said all along was true. They can all crawl back under their grubby little stone now. Hopefully we have shown the way for the supporters of other teams to show how they feel about the true racists of BLM.
So proud to be Millwall.

I am 100% convinced that the booing would have continued had those media organisations not shone a light on it.  As I’ve stated above, the revisionism is preposterous- Millwall fans were not making an anti-Marxist/anti-racist stand and the only people you are kidding is yourselves.

This whole episode is incredibly sad and the reputation of your clubs fans has been further tarnished by it, so I find your pride hard to understand.  I would be ashamed if it was DRFC.  But at least the truth is out now and people can stop fooling themselves that racism is not alive and well.

I’m going to leave it as that, as I have no interest in engaging with you any further (on this or any other topic) or giving your claims any legitimacy by replying.  The fact that you have resorted to using pejorative terms (wokies) in place of sensible debate says everything.

you only have to look on other social media sites and there are many rovers fans who also don’t agree with it so I’m not sure it’s just a millwall issue

[Padge_DRFC]

So, Millwall fans’ issue is with the extreme end of the Black Lives Matter political movement.?  How come (almost) everyone else sees the taking of a knee as a non-political anti-racism gesture..

Let us know when you rejoin the real world

[normal rules]

So, Millwall fans’ issue is with the extreme end of the Black Lives Matter political movement.?  How come (almost) everyone else sees the taking of a knee as a non-political anti-racism gesture..

How is it on Mars?

[IDM]

Excuse me, but it was AL who first suggested that the booing was about the association with the far political aims of BLM, not me.  Notwithstanding that, booing during taking the knee certainly didn’t give that impression whether it’s at Millwall or anywhere else.

If you can’t engage in debate about the point, but resort to things like what planet etc, then I’ll sink to your level.  Piss off the both of you.

For what it is worth, I think it is fair to debate whether taking the knee should continue at football or not - or is there a better way to demonstrate against racism..

[normal rules]

If you have an android phone, or iPad just type the letter BLM and see what the auto algorithm predictive text imogee thing comes up with.

Type coffee and you get a coffee cup.
Type BLM.........

[MachoMadness]

If you have an android phone, or iPad just type the letter BLM and see what the auto algorithm predictive text imogee thing comes up with.

Type coffee and you get a coffee cup.
Type BLM.........

This autocomplete is based on your own search history. It shows you things that it thinks you're likely to search for, based on what you've looked for in the past. I just did the same, and got "blm meaning", "blm fist", "blm logo" and "blm protests". If you spend time consuming far-right media from Brendan O'Neill and Talk Radio, you're going to get results that reflect that. Grassed on yourself a bit there.

[wilts rover]

If you have an android phone, or iPad just type the letter BLM and see what the auto algorithm predictive text imogee thing comes up with.

Type coffee and you get a coffee cup.
Type BLM.........

and you don't get anything about Marxism. Weird. Am I missing something?

[normal rules]

Excuse me, but it was AL who first suggested that the booing was about the association with the far political aims of BLM, not me.  Notwithstanding that, booing during taking the knee certainly didn’t give that impression whether it’s at Millwall or anywhere else.

If you can’t engage in debate about the point, but resort to things like what planet etc, then I’ll sink to your level.  Piss off the both of you.

For what it is worth, I think it is fair to debate whether taking the knee should continue at football or not - or is there a better way to demonstrate against racism..

Lighten up IDM. Just banter. Lowest form of wit I accept. No malice intended.
And I’ve been politely debating the subject on this thread.
I don’t believe it’s in anyone’s interest to continue taking the knee. It’s seen by too many to be devisive and there is an unquestionable negative stigma now attached to it. Rightly or wrongly.
I have faith in The kick it out and red card campaign. They are supported across the board by players, clubs and supporters as well as sponsors of these campaigns.
Perhaps it’s time all clubs re invigorated their efforts in this regard.

[no eyed deer]

Far too many clubs think they are doing there bit by taking to the knee. Its what happens behind the scenes that count.

Just wonder how many players only do it so not to be classed a racist

Freedom of speech is now dead, unless it's a liberal left view, which seems to be overtaking the world.

[Padge_DRFC]

Excuse me, but it was AL who first suggested that the booing was about the association with the far political aims of BLM, not me.  Notwithstanding that, booing during taking the knee certainly didn’t give that impression whether it’s at Millwall or anywhere else.

If you can’t engage in debate about the point, but resort to things like what planet etc, then I’ll sink to your level.  Piss off the both of you.

For what it is worth, I think it is fair to debate whether taking the knee should continue at football or not - or is there a better way to demonstrate against racism..

Just so out of touch with what people think you are. For what it's worth I don't see footballers being political. To say nobody other than Millwall does you are just stupid

[CoppsChop]

Far too many clubs think they are doing there bit by taking to the knee. Its what happens behind the scenes that count.

Just wonder how many players only do it so not to be classed a racist

Freedom of speech is now dead, unless it's a liberal left view, which seems to be overtaking the world.

Of course what goes on behind the scenes is important but if the aim is showing solidarity then I dont see how anyone who genuinely opposes racism has any issue with players taking a knee if they choose as our players all have.


Have you seen who is prime minister and who is president of the USA?

[DonnyOsmond]

Far too many clubs think they are doing there bit by taking to the knee. Its what happens behind the scenes that count.

Just wonder how many players only do it so not to be classed a racist

Freedom of speech is now dead, unless it's a liberal left view, which seems to be overtaking the world.

Sounds like you're throwing the word liberal around the same as people are with Marxist. You can't be liberal and forcing people into your view.

By the way, does free speech allow someone to be racist to someone else without repercussions?