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karlos

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Promotion Hopes.
« on January 14, 2021, 04:46:36 pm by karlos »
I honestly believe that ben whiteman going has seriously put a dent in our promotion hopes. without him last week our midfield looked bare yes we won the game but there wasn't the control there that we would usually have with ben in. unless we can sign a player and quickly in the same calibre as ben then i can see us fading away.

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Re: Promotion Hopes.
« Reply #1 on January 14, 2021, 05:01:10 pm by DearneValleyRover »
I honestly believe that ben whiteman going has seriously put a dent in our promotion hopes. without him last week our midfield looked bare yes we won the game but there wasn't the control there that we would usually have with ben in. unless we can sign a player and quickly in the same calibre as ben then i can see us fading away.

I didn’t realise we were a one man team, yes it’s disappointing but we were missing 3 last weekend not one.

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« Reply #2 on January 14, 2021, 05:03:44 pm by Rovers91 »
I think we will fade away if we dont strengthen the midfield with losing Ben but saying that I'm confident the board and DM will strengthen so we stay in the mix for promotion.

DonnyBazR0ver

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« Reply #3 on January 14, 2021, 05:07:19 pm by DonnyBazR0ver »
Things will be different and it's easy to look at the bleak side of things but that's why we have managers, coaches and recruitment specialists. Allow them to do their job and see what evolves.

Things may not be a slick as we've been used to through the midfield but there's a simple formula for winning football matches.

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Re: Promotion Hopes.
« Reply #4 on January 14, 2021, 05:19:22 pm by Chris Black come back »
We had Smith, Taylor and Gomes all missing on Saturday and all would very likely have started.

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Re: Promotion Hopes.
« Reply #5 on January 14, 2021, 05:29:12 pm by Arsenal Of The North »
Let’s find another young talent, Ben isn’t the end of the club, we move on, someone else gets the chance to step up! Darren overall has always been good on recruitment, I’ve faith if he is to bring someone in to replace Ben, he will be a capable player. If it’s a young lad on loan then so be it, that’s exactly how Ben started out and look how that turned out.

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Re: Promotion Hopes.
« Reply #6 on January 14, 2021, 05:31:16 pm by pib »
Anyone else feel a bit deflated by the news from Liam Hoden's latest article?

Link here for those that haven't seen it:
https://www.doncasterfreepress.co.uk/sport/football/darren-moore-transfer-business-doncaster-rovers-wake-ben-whitemans-departure-3101180

I realise the financial situation that the club is currently in, but it's a bit frustrating to me that we are loading up the squad with more loans than we can actually put in the side (again!). A few loans is fine, but DM saying he likes to have six is, in my view, too many.

I know we're doing well this season but there's something that just doesn't feel right about going back to the bare bones of a squad every year and making up the rest with a conveyor belt of loanees.

No doubt many on here will disagree but that's just my view.

phil o sophical

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« Reply #7 on January 14, 2021, 05:32:18 pm by phil o sophical »
Not a criticism of Ben with the way he plays or is told to play but I thought we moved the ball forward a lot quicker against Blackburn than in previous games which personally I don't think is necessarily a bad thing. I'll be interested to see how we play in the coming games

DonnyOsmond

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« Reply #8 on January 14, 2021, 05:35:47 pm by DonnyOsmond »
Anyone else feel a bit deflated by the news from Liam Hoden's latest article?

Link here for those that haven't seen it:
https://www.doncasterfreepress.co.uk/sport/football/darren-moore-transfer-business-doncaster-rovers-wake-ben-whitemans-departure-3101180

I realise the financial situation that the club is currently in, but it's a bit frustrating to me that we are loading up the squad with more loans than we can actually put in the side (again!). A few loans is fine, but DM saying he likes to have six is, in my view, too many.

I know we're doing well this season but there's something that just doesn't feel right about going back to the bare bones of a squad every year and making up the rest with a conveyor belt of loanees.

No doubt many on here will disagree but that's just my view.

I agree with you. If the club wanted the fans to be positive after losing our best player that statement from DM 100% isn't the way to do it.

godlike1

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Re: Promotion Hopes.
« Reply #9 on January 14, 2021, 05:40:23 pm by godlike1 »
Its just really poor PR from the club once again. Nothing against DM but it just shows that what they say and what they do are two different things.

Twitter is blowing up with fans saying they want their season ticket money back on the back of this sort of response after selling the clubs best player the 2nd season in a row.

It shows no ambition and in fact a sense of standing still and going backwards.


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Re: Promotion Hopes.
« Reply #10 on January 14, 2021, 05:51:44 pm by i_ateallthepies »
Anyone else feel a bit deflated by the news from Liam Hoden's latest article?

Link here for those that haven't seen it:
https://www.doncasterfreepress.co.uk/sport/football/darren-moore-transfer-business-doncaster-rovers-wake-ben-whitemans-departure-3101180

I realise the financial situation that the club is currently in, but it's a bit frustrating to me that we are loading up the squad with more loans than we can actually put in the side (again!). A few loans is fine, but DM saying he likes to have six is, in my view, too many.

I know we're doing well this season but there's something that just doesn't feel right about going back to the bare bones of a squad every year and making up the rest with a conveyor belt of loanees.

No doubt many on here will disagree but that's just my view.

Apart from the obvious advantages that loans bring - young, fearless players more talented than we otherwise could sign permanently - they provide the club with agility to change personnel in the event of winning promotion.  We flesh out the core of the squad with the best we can afford and good enough for the step up and then enhance it with good loanees who may become available to sign permanently in the event of promotion or who can be easily replaced the next season by better alternatives.

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« Reply #11 on January 14, 2021, 05:53:14 pm by scawsby steve »
As I said in another thread, it's not just Ben leaving, it's the probability of losing Sims as well.

Unless we can replace both with players as good, then I honestly fear for our promotion chances this season.

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« Reply #12 on January 14, 2021, 06:06:22 pm by selby »
  Godlike 1, don't you realise that the reason the club are not going to splash out the transfer money is the fact as time moves on to the end of March the club are going to be hit by supporters wanting recompensing for unused season tickets.
  At least now we will have the majority of the money to do so, if it comes to it which is more likely than not, it will be interesting to see how many other clubs find the funds to refund money if it comes to that, some have already said they will be unwilling or unable to do so.
   As far as the team is  concerned, the young loan players who came to us as green as grass with no or very little league level experience  should be by now better for the experience of the first half of the season and we should be a better side for it. 

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« Reply #13 on January 14, 2021, 06:08:39 pm by andyst79 »
Not a criticism of Ben with the way he plays or is told to play but I thought we moved the ball forward a lot quicker against Blackburn than in previous games which personally I don't think is necessarily a bad thing. I'll be interested to see how we play in the coming games
Thought James was superb in midfield and kept it nice and simple

RugbyRover

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Re: Promotion Hopes.
« Reply #14 on January 14, 2021, 06:09:36 pm by RugbyRover »
Are we a weaker team without BW?

I guess we are, therefore our chances of being top six have taken a hit.

But if we miss out I don't think we can just point to losing Ben as the reason we didn't do anything.

Although we are sitting in 4th place we are just 3 points above 10th, its a very open league this year. We had a run of fixtures against some struggling teams, and although not playing well, we managed to put a run together. Then due to Covid, we managed to avoid some tough games against our rivals. We could have lost against Peterborough, Fleetwood and Qxford quite easily. So it could be argued we are in a false position atm.

Re the latest from DM. Its typical comedy gold. The club spins things to try and keep us all upbeat and then DM spouts off with something totally different. Who do you believe? I've no idea. 

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« Reply #15 on January 14, 2021, 06:10:08 pm by steve@dcfd »
I know loanees were mentioned in the article and we had six loanees before Christmas because of injuries it was never a problem. But DM said he’s looking at other avenues before loanees. I am disappointed that we are not going to pay a fee for a player. But DM has to work with the finances he has. What is a bit confusing we’ve lost Ben and Copps is injured yet we have two of our young players out on loan. Maybe they would not get in the first team but they would be part of the match day squad. Let’s see what type of magic DM can pull out of the hat to get players we need.

scawsby steve

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« Reply #16 on January 14, 2021, 06:19:31 pm by scawsby steve »
Are we a weaker team without BW?

I guess we are, therefore our chances of being top six have taken a hit.

But if we miss out I don't think we can just point to losing Ben as the reason we didn't do anything.

Although we are sitting in 4th place we are just 3 points above 10th, its a very open league this year. We had a run of fixtures against some struggling teams, and although not playing well, we managed to put a run together. Then due to Covid, we managed to avoid some tough games against our rivals. We could have lost against Peterborough, Fleetwood and Qxford quite easily. So it could be argued we are in a false position atm.

Re the latest from DM. Its typical comedy gold. The club spins things to try and keep us all upbeat and then DM spouts off with something totally different. Who do you believe? I've no idea.

Charlton, Portsmouth, Ipswich, Lincoln, and Sunderland; struggling teams?

False position? I don't think so.

RugbyRover

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Re: Promotion Hopes.
« Reply #17 on January 14, 2021, 06:29:35 pm by RugbyRover »
Are we a weaker team without BW?

I guess we are, therefore our chances of being top six have taken a hit.

But if we miss out I don't think we can just point to losing Ben as the reason we didn't do anything.

Although we are sitting in 4th place we are just 3 points above 10th, its a very open league this year. We had a run of fixtures against some struggling teams, and although not playing well, we managed to put a run together. Then due to Covid, we managed to avoid some tough games against our rivals. We could have lost against Peterborough, Fleetwood and Qxford quite easily. So it could be argued we are in a false position atm.

Re the latest from DM. Its typical comedy gold. The club spins things to try and keep us all upbeat and then DM spouts off with something totally different. Who do you believe? I've no idea.

Charlton, Portsmouth, Ipswich, Lincoln, and Sunderland; struggling teams?

False position? I don't think so.

hardly recent matches  though are they?

I was meaning Burton Swindon Gillingham Northampton.....thats where we picked up the points that took us from 10th to 4th.

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« Reply #18 on January 14, 2021, 06:31:57 pm by vaya »
I know loanees were mentioned in the article and we had six loanees before Christmas because of injuries it was never a problem. But DM said he’s looking at other avenues before loanees. I am disappointed that we are not going to pay a fee for a player. But DM has to work with the finances he has. What is a bit confusing we’ve lost Ben and Copps is injured yet we have two of our young players out on loan. Maybe they would not get in the first team but they would be part of the match day squad. Let’s see what type of magic DM can pull out of the hat to get players we need.

Are you including Seaman in those two Steve?

goalkick

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« Reply #19 on January 14, 2021, 06:34:11 pm by goalkick »
Hope we don’t opt for another Bingham and thomas :thumbdown:

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« Reply #20 on January 14, 2021, 06:49:29 pm by i_ateallthepies »
I know loanees were mentioned in the article and we had six loanees before Christmas because of injuries it was never a problem. But DM said he’s looking at other avenues before loanees. I am disappointed that we are not going to pay a fee for a player. But DM has to work with the finances he has. What is a bit confusing we’ve lost Ben and Copps is injured yet we have two of our young players out on loan. Maybe they would not get in the first team but they would be part of the match day squad. Let’s see what type of magic DM can pull out of the hat to get players we need.


What is it with the obsession with paying a fee for a player???  Do you not see that all it does is strengthen the finances of an opposing club?

dickos1

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« Reply #21 on January 14, 2021, 06:57:33 pm by dickos1 »
That’s an odd way of looking at buying football players

sha66y

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Re: Promotion Hopes.
« Reply #22 on January 14, 2021, 07:04:35 pm by sha66y »
I honestly believe that ben whiteman going has seriously put a dent in our promotion hopes. without him last week our midfield looked bare yes we won the game but there wasn't the control there that we would usually have with ben in. unless we can sign a player and quickly in the same calibre as ben then i can see us fading away.

If you watched the game you may have noticed that we had numerous players playing in positions that they have been forced to adapt too....so obviously the blueprint would not be the same as if Ben was there.....

Ben did a job, no more no less.... now he’s gone we will tweak a bit here and tweak a bit there....maybe add a new face , who knows!

But I doubt the team will be weaker ........ just different

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« Reply #23 on January 14, 2021, 07:10:25 pm by Avsuptem »
It's hard to see how the team can not be weaker if we have lost our 2 best players in Simms and BW.

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« Reply #24 on January 14, 2021, 07:22:47 pm by sha66y »
It's hard to see how the team can not be weaker if we have lost our 2 best players in Simms and BW.

Neither Sims or Ben are any good in goal, neither are very good centre backs or r/l backs..
Neither are good out n out strikers so not sure who you are comparing them to.......oh you mean we’ve lost 2 good midfield players, im sure Smith ,James,Copps, Gomez, Richards and the other couple or three can be coaxed to add something to the team .....it might be different, but it won’t be worse

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« Reply #25 on January 14, 2021, 07:23:13 pm by NickDRFC »
There have been a few posters now suggesting we won’t be any weaker after losing Whiteman. This absolutely baffles me. He is (was) our best player, made the team tick and was our captain. Taking him out of the team leaves a massive hole - it was only a few months ago that there was concern that we were light in that department without good enough options to play alongside him, let alone in his place.

We might sign someone, permanently or on loan, who can adequately replace him, and we might find a way to play better without him with the players we have. But any suggestion that we’re not immediately weakened with him leaving is nonsense - like a teenager being dumped and responding “yeah, I was going to dump you anyway”.

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« Reply #26 on January 14, 2021, 07:25:22 pm by steve@dcfd »
I know loanees were mentioned in the article and we had six loanees before Christmas because of injuries it was never a problem. But DM said he’s looking at other avenues before loanees. I am disappointed that we are not going to pay a fee for a player. But DM has to work with the finances he has. What is a bit confusing we’ve lost Ben and Copps is injured yet we have two of our young players out on loan. Maybe they would not get in the first team but they would be part of the match day squad. Let’s see what type of magic DM can pull out of the hat to get players we need.

Are you including Seaman in those two Steve?

Yes I am, but I also forgot about Greaves and Horton not sure where they are.

sha66y

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« Reply #27 on January 14, 2021, 07:26:01 pm by sha66y »
Weaker is subjective.....different is more like it....

steve@dcfd

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« Reply #28 on January 14, 2021, 07:26:39 pm by steve@dcfd »
There have been a few posters now suggesting we won’t be any weaker after losing Whiteman. This absolutely baffles me. He is (was) our best player, made the team tick and was our captain. Taking him out of the team leaves a massive hole - it was only a few months ago that there was concern that we were light in that department without good enough options to play alongside him, let alone in his place.

We might sign someone, permanently or on loan, who can adequately replace him, and we might find a way to play better without him with the players we have. But any suggestion that we’re not immediately weakened with him leaving is nonsense - like a teenager being dumped and responding “yeah, I was going to dump you anyway”.
Also he was the leading goal scorer aswell.

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« Reply #29 on January 14, 2021, 07:43:49 pm by scawsby steve »
It's hard to see how the team can not be weaker if we have lost our 2 best players in Simms and BW.

Neither Sims or Ben are any good in goal, neither are very good centre backs or r/l backs..
Neither are good out n out strikers so not sure who you are comparing them to.......oh you mean we’ve lost 2 good midfield players, im sure Smith ,James,Copps, Gomez, Richards and the other couple or three can be coaxed to add something to the team .....it might be different, but it won’t be worse

Take away the goals and assists from Ben and Sims this season, and see how many goals we're left with.