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belton rover

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Schools Fully Open 8th March
« on February 22, 2021, 07:58:54 am by belton rover »
I think this is a mistake.
We will not be far enough into the vaccine programme.
Try telling teenagers it is okay to spend all day together at school but not out of school. No one seems to be considering the psychological effect of schools going back to ‘normal’. Rules will start to be broken as students and parents, quite understandably, relax their guards in other areas of socialisation too soon

I hope I’m wrong.



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turnbull for england

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Re: Schools Fully Open 8th March
« Reply #1 on February 22, 2021, 08:14:10 am by turnbull for england »
My lads 15 1/2 and he's hardly been out , despite groups of his schoolmates doing pretty much as they like. When hs walking to school, sitting in groups all day  and walking home with his friends, it's going to be a difficult conversation as to why  can't walk out at night with the same folk
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big fat yorkshire pudding

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Re: Schools Fully Open 8th March
« Reply #2 on February 22, 2021, 08:34:46 am by big fat yorkshire pudding »
The kids need to be in school.  We have a serious risk of delaying them further again.  They need social interaction and they need education, that is frankly more important than anything else and the correct first phase I think.

turnbull for england

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Re: Schools Fully Open 8th March
« Reply #3 on February 22, 2021, 08:43:32 am by turnbull for england »
Agree to both bfyp,  absolutely they do need to be back

belton rover

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Re: Schools Fully Open 8th March
« Reply #4 on February 22, 2021, 09:04:45 am by belton rover »
We are getting on top of this now with vaccines, but not there yet. I think a staggered start with younger children first would have been much more sensible.
Of course our kids need to be back in school, but not at any cost. After Easter for secondary students would have been a better decision. We will have had much more of our society vaccinated by then.

River Don

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Re: Schools Fully Open 8th March
« Reply #5 on February 22, 2021, 09:19:25 am by River Don »
Obviously the schools need to reopen but I was concerned reading that Chris Whitty was nor happy about simply opening them all at once.

Whether he wants more safeguards in place, staggered reopening to see how it goes I don't know. It's just very concerning that after all this the government is still overriding it's senior medical advisors.

drfchound

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Re: Schools Fully Open 8th March
« Reply #6 on February 22, 2021, 09:34:56 am by drfchound »
Some very differing points of view here.
It just shows how hard it is to get it right.
You can never please everyone.

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Re: Schools Fully Open 8th March
« Reply #7 on February 22, 2021, 09:46:42 am by Filo »
Difficult decisions to be made for sure, but thats what the PM is supposed to do, he got it wrong letting schools go back last time, which clearly helped the pandemic grow again. Personally I can’t see why we can’t get Easter out of the way first regarding schools. We have to open up at some point and I would hope this time there is no dithering if the figures start to rise again

River Don

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Re: Schools Fully Open 8th March
« Reply #8 on February 22, 2021, 09:57:58 am by River Don »
Difficult decisions to be made for sure, but thats what the PM is supposed to do, he got it wrong letting schools go back last time, which clearly helped the pandemic grow again. Personally I can’t see why we can’t get Easter out of the way first regarding schools. We have to open up at some point and I would hope this time there is no dithering if the figures start to rise again

Not much hope of that Filo, when the noises coming out of government are this must be the last lockdown.

They can't make statements like that and still hope to be credible, this thing could so easily mutate and become vaccine resistant for one thing.

drfchound

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Re: Schools Fully Open 8th March
« Reply #9 on February 22, 2021, 10:05:21 am by drfchound »
Difficult decisions to be made for sure, but thats what the PM is supposed to do, he got it wrong letting schools go back last time, which clearly helped the pandemic grow again. Personally I can’t see why we can’t get Easter out of the way first regarding schools. We have to open up at some point and I would hope this time there is no dithering if the figures start to rise again

Not much hope of that Filo, when the noises coming out of government are this must be the last lockdown.

They can't make statements like that and still hope to be credible, this thing could so easily mutate and become vaccine resistant for one thing.






I totally agree RD.
None of us like the lockdowns but I was just alluding to the different reasons people have for not wanting or wanting schools to reopen.
Whatever decisions are taken there will always be people who are unhappy about them.

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Re: Schools Fully Open 8th March
« Reply #10 on February 22, 2021, 10:11:04 am by ravenrover »
Oh come on have none of you seen the groups of youngsters walking around the streets congregating at shops, benches etc.? It's not the youngsters that need to be worried about it's the health of the teachers

drfchound

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Re: Schools Fully Open 8th March
« Reply #11 on February 22, 2021, 10:14:18 am by drfchound »
Yeah and the skate parks.
Amazing really that teenagers don’t seem to understand that they could be adding to the problems.

belton rover

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Re: Schools Fully Open 8th March
« Reply #12 on February 22, 2021, 11:15:48 am by belton rover »
Difficult decisions to be made for sure, but thats what the PM is supposed to do, he got it wrong letting schools go back last time, which clearly helped the pandemic grow again. Personally I can’t see why we can’t get Easter out of the way first regarding schools. We have to open up at some point and I would hope this time there is no dithering if the figures start to rise again

Not much hope of that Filo, when the noises coming out of government are this must be the last lockdown.

They can't make statements like that and still hope to be credible, this thing could so easily mutate and become vaccine resistant for one thing.






I totally agree RD.
None of us like the lockdowns but I was just alluding to the different reasons people have for not wanting or wanting schools to reopen.
Whatever decisions are taken there will always be people who are unhappy about them.

Absolutely. How ever we come out of lock down will be met with divided opinion. I do think though, that the most important thing to get right is that we don’t have to go back into another one. Especially not for the sake of waiting a few more more weeks.

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Re: Schools Fully Open 8th March
« Reply #13 on February 22, 2021, 11:19:42 am by Filo »
Difficult decisions to be made for sure, but thats what the PM is supposed to do, he got it wrong letting schools go back last time, which clearly helped the pandemic grow again. Personally I can’t see why we can’t get Easter out of the way first regarding schools. We have to open up at some point and I would hope this time there is no dithering if the figures start to rise again

Not much hope of that Filo, when the noises coming out of government are this must be the last lockdown.

They can't make statements like that and still hope to be credible, this thing could so easily mutate and become vaccine resistant for one thing.






I totally agree RD.
None of us like the lockdowns but I was just alluding to the different reasons people have for not wanting or wanting schools to reopen.
Whatever decisions are taken there will always be people who are unhappy about them.

Absolutely. How ever we come out of lock down will be met with divided opinion. I do think though, that the most important thing to get right is that we don’t have to go back into another one. Especially not for the sake of waiting a few more more weeks.
exactly, a few more week, say after Easter rather than potentially a few more months

Bentley Bullet

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Re: Schools Fully Open 8th March
« Reply #14 on February 22, 2021, 11:40:55 am by Bentley Bullet »
Obviously, the longer in lockdown the better from a pure restriction in COVID infection rates angle.

From a children's education, General public health, mental health, economy, loss of businesses, loss of jobs angle we should go back as soon as the pros and cons weigh in favour of that direction.

It's an unprecedented situation, and no doubt there will be casualties whatever decision is made.

The reliability of the vaccine plays a big part in the success of returning to normal life.

albie

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Re: Schools Fully Open 8th March
« Reply #15 on February 22, 2021, 03:56:30 pm by albie »
We are getting on top of this now with vaccines, but not there yet. I think a staggered start with younger children first would have been much more sensible.
Of course our kids need to be back in school, but not at any cost. After Easter for secondary students would have been a better decision. We will have had much more of our society vaccinated by then.

Agree with all of that, Belton.

The issue is transmission rates, and the chance of further mutation.
Kids will act as a vector, spreading the virus to those more vulnerable, like their parents.

Work is going on to test kids with the jab...if that looks good, vax them up and send them back.
Massive risk to open schools without a greater number of the general population protected.

Selective return after Easter would be much more appropriate.
Running the risk of a further lockdown makes no sense to me.

Vaccines minister making a complete fool of himself on TV;
https://twitter.com/jonlis1/status/1363776578535247874

Ye Gods!
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idler

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Re: Schools Fully Open 8th March
« Reply #16 on February 22, 2021, 04:36:19 pm by idler »
Was he Priti Patel's maths teacher?

BillyStubbsTears

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Re: Schools Fully Open 8th March
« Reply #17 on February 22, 2021, 04:41:43 pm by BillyStubbsTears »
I'm all for getting schools reopened as the very number one priority as we come out of lockdown. But it is worrying that, once again, there are whispers that the Govt is moving faster than SAGE are advising. Concerning thing is that, last September when schools and then Universities opened within a few weeks of each other, new case numbers went up tenfold in a month. But that was starting from a level of 1000 per day. As things currently stand, we already have 10,000 new cases a day, so there is absolutely no room for getting this wrong. On balance, it does feel too early. Keeping the lockdown on until after Easter would seem to make a lot more sense. By that time, at current rates, we'd have another 20 million people vaccinated and new infections would be down to around 1000 a day or so. This way, it is a big gamble. Let's hope it's one that the Govt finally gets right.

Bentley Bullet

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Re: Schools Fully Open 8th March
« Reply #18 on February 22, 2021, 07:54:55 pm by Bentley Bullet »
Chris Whitty supports schools going back on the 8th March.

albie

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Re: Schools Fully Open 8th March
« Reply #19 on February 22, 2021, 08:17:46 pm by albie »
Not according to reports BB;
https://www.standard.co.uk/news/uk/chris-whitty-schools-reopening-boris-johnson-b920575.html

Same thing here:
https://metro.co.uk/2021/02/20/chris-whitty-very-unhappy-with-boris-johnsons-school-reopening-plan-14116367/

Sounds like a "sign or resign" decision, if he has changed his mind.
No-one likes a bully, do they?

drfchound

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Re: Schools Fully Open 8th March
« Reply #20 on February 22, 2021, 08:19:42 pm by drfchound »
Albie, I guess that might depend on whether people are on the same side as the bully.

Bentley Bullet

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Re: Schools Fully Open 8th March
« Reply #21 on February 22, 2021, 08:22:05 pm by Bentley Bullet »
Albie. Chris Whitty has just said on TV that he was completely misquoted.

albie

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Re: Schools Fully Open 8th March
« Reply #22 on February 22, 2021, 08:31:40 pm by albie »
BB,

Fair enough...didn't see that.

Hound,

No, not really.
A bully is a bully is a bully......never acceptable for me.

drfchound

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Re: Schools Fully Open 8th March
« Reply #23 on February 22, 2021, 08:33:14 pm by drfchound »
BB,

Fair enough...didn't see that.

Hound,

No, not really.
A bully is a bully is a bully......never acceptable for me.





Good to know  :woohoo:

River Don

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Re: Schools Fully Open 8th March
« Reply #24 on February 22, 2021, 08:44:33 pm by River Don »
Well they are doing it on the 8th.

We know it is spread most easily by aerosols and that sitting all days indoors in groups gives the virus the best chance of transmitting. At least they plan to have the kids wearing masks.

I'll be asking the school to keep windows and doors open to increase ventilation as much as possible.

big fat yorkshire pudding

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Re: Schools Fully Open 8th March
« Reply #25 on February 22, 2021, 09:05:22 pm by big fat yorkshire pudding »
Fingers crossed my little one can finally start nursery, so important for their development.

River Don

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Re: Schools Fully Open 8th March
« Reply #26 on February 22, 2021, 09:17:41 pm by River Don »
45% of covid deaths in hospital currently are of people aged between 50 - 65.

If I were a teacher in that age bracket, I don't think I'd be very happy about being asked to return to work unvaccinated. The same goes for those who are younger but with underlying health conditions like asthma or diabetes.
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Re: Schools Fully Open 8th March
« Reply #27 on February 22, 2021, 09:39:14 pm by bobjimwilly »
The sad thing in all of this is it could've been avoided if Johnson had made the correct key decisions early on. He had several chances to close the gate before the horse bolted.

BillyStubbsTears

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« Reply #28 on February 22, 2021, 09:42:51 pm by BillyStubbsTears »
The sad thing in all of this is it could've been avoided if Johnson had made the correct key decisions early on. He had several chances to close the gate before the horse bolted.

That truly is the saddest thing. We've now been in this current lockdown for 7 weeks. We have just about got back down to the same number of new cases per day that we had before we totally lost control in December. And because of that lost control, there are about 30,000 more families missing a loved one than would have happened otherwise.

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Re: Schools Fully Open 8th March
« Reply #29 on February 22, 2021, 10:14:09 pm by Filo »
I hope I’m wrong but I think he’s gone too early again, I guess this will tell us how good the vaccine is. I feel for the 50 year old plus teachers that have to go back unvaccinated, lambs to the slaughter again

 

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