Budget

[albie]

It seems that Sunak forgot to mention this reward for NHS staff in the budget announcement;
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/budget-nhs-pay-rise-nadine-dorries-b1812843.html

If only claps paid the bills, eh!

Yes, it is still only a recommendation...but it tells you a lot about values held dear.

[MachoMadness]

The argument Dorries was making this morning was beyond belief. Basically that NHS staff should be thankful for their tiny pay rise (in real terms a pay cut) because the rest of the public sector isn't getting anything!

[Ldr]

It seems that Sunak forgot to mention this reward for NHS staff in the budget announcement;
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/budget-nhs-pay-rise-nadine-dorries-b1812843.html

If only claps paid the bills, eh!

Yes, it is still only a recommendation...but it tells you a lot about values held dear.

This happens to us every pay round Albie, typical negotiation tactics to lowball

[BillyStubbsTears]

Whatever the argument, it is stupefyingly hamfisted politics. We've just asked NHS staff to be in the front line of a war and to stretch themselves to the limit to keep people as safe as we could, then the Govt basically gives them the rods.

[Glyn_Wigley]

The argument Dorries was making this morning was beyond belief. Basically that NHS staff should be thankful for their tiny pay rise (in real terms a pay cut) because the rest of the public sector isn't getting anything!

"You're not getting f**k all, so tug your forelocks and be bloody grateful you're getting anything at all".

[Ldr]

This is a non story, will everyone stop getting outraged on our (nhs workers) behalf please. This is standard every pay round its nothing new

[Bentley Bullet]

At least it is political agenda speak on a political thread for a change!

[albie]

Not looking like a non-story for Nurses;
https://www.politicshome.com/news/article/nursing-union-sets-up-35m-industrial-action-fund-as-they-prepare-to-strike-over-pitiful-1-pay-rise

Maybe rather than look at the NHS as a whole, it might be better to focus on improving the terms for the lower paid...just a thought!

[Ldr]

Nowt new Albie GMB do this all.the time (my union)

[drfchound]

First of all, this was on the bbc morning news and I am astonished that it is early afternoon before it hits the forum.
Secondly, I agree that it isn’t good for the government that they have offered1% to NHS staff.
The Starmer brigade will have a field day with this.
However I haven’t seen anywhere how much increase they would have offered.
If they have of course, as I said, I haven’t seen it.

[big fat yorkshire pudding]

12.5%.  That would cost over 1 billion.  1% is too low 2.5-3% perhaps sensible but no more than that.

[drfchound]

12.5%.  That would cost over 1 billion.  1% is too low 2.5-3% perhaps sensible but no more than that.

Is that what Labour said.

[big fat yorkshire pudding]

No the union feel that's a fair amount, crazy.

[Bentley Bullet]

I wonder what the reaction would be from the 2 million-plus people who lost their jobs through the pandemic if the NHS staff got their 12.5% pay rise?

[drfchound]

No the union feel that's a fair amount, crazy.

Ah cheers.
So, although Labour have had a pop at the government about this (justly IMO) they haven’t told anyone what they would have offered.

[Ldr]

If this follows standard pattern (and I would sat this is around my 10th or 11th pay round). 1% is recommended by govt (similar to last couple of times) unions demand double figure rises, nhs employers recommend around 5% govt offers 2 5$ unions um and ah for a month or so, then advise members to agree. GMB advise members to refuse. 2.5% agreed by majority staff (GMB ask members to vote for strike action) 2.5% rise gets paid in September/October pay backdated to April 1st which results in a nice little pre Xmas lump. Watch this space

[tyke1962]

Don't give it the poor us from the NHS workers to me .

The latest one doing the rounds is to get the public to protest by slow hand clapping on a Thursday night .

The Met police will no doubt be shyttin themselves as how to control that then and retain public order .

If  I was Johnson I wouldn't have given the NHS anything , nothing what so ever , clearly nowt to stop him .

This government have made sure their chums and donors have done very well out of this pandemic and all the NHS has is to slow clap on a random Thursday night .

Feckin laughable .

Deserve what you get in my opinion .

[BillyStubbsTears]

This is well worth a read. From Britain's leading macroeconomist. The man who correctly advised Brown to keep us out of the Euro, who correctly predicted that the 2010 Austerity would give us a list decade of economic permaslump and who correctly predicted that the Brexit vote would reinforce that slump.

Here he is now. Usually a measured academic, with an excoriating attack on the failure of this Budget.

https://mobile.twitter.com/sjwrenlewis/status/1367790177771470849

[SydneyRover]

No the union feel that's a fair amount, crazy.

Ah cheers.
So, although Labour have had a pop at the government about this (justly IMO) they haven’t told anyone what they would have offered.

I suppose this is one of those thingys where if he did support them for a decent pay rise automatically those on the fence or the right would cry that it was too much anyway ................... damned if he does ...................etc

[drfchound]

No the union feel that's a fair amount, crazy.

Ah cheers.
So, although Labour have had a pop at the government about this (justly IMO) they haven’t told anyone what they would have offered.

I suppose this is one of those thingys where if he did support them for a decent pay rise automatically those on the fence or the right would cry that it was too much anyway ................... damned if he does ...................etc

TBF isn’t that what happens on here all the time.

However, I think my point is valid though.
Valid criticism is fine but when I listened to Ashworth yesterday I thought it would have been appropriate had he suggested an alternative pay rise option.

[SydneyRover]

Would you support a pay rise of 5% hound?

[drfchound]

What I think isn’t the case in point though.
Nice deflection though.

[DonnyOsmond]

1% is a pay decrease when you consider inflation. I work in the public sector so I'll be getting a decrease. It is what happens when you vote for Conservatives though, you get conservatives.

[SydneyRover]

What I think isn’t the case in point though.
Nice deflection though.

Showing your colours there hound

[drfchound]

What I think isn’t the case in point though.
Nice deflection though.

Showing your colours there hound

Not sure why you would say that.
I was looking for a constructive discussion but I don’t think you are wanting that.
Anyway, I’m off now so won’t be replying for a while.
Sleep tight.

[SydneyRover]

A nice simple answer (not a deflection) will do, will you support the nurses with a 5% pay rise?

[BillyStubbsTears]

I agreed Hound. I thought Labour came across very weakly yesterday, squirmingly refusing to say what sort of pay rise they thought was suitable.

[Bentley Bullet]

Try again.....

I wonder what the reaction would be from the 2 million-plus people who lost their jobs through the pandemic if the NHS staff got their 12.5% pay rise?

[BillyStubbsTears]

BB.
If they understood economics, probably delight, because it would signal a Govt committed to a massive fiscal stimulus which would raise the changes of them getting back to work soon.

[SydneyRover]

I agreed Hound. I thought Labour came across very weakly yesterday, squirmingly refusing to say what sort of pay rise they thought was suitable.

What sort of pay rise would you support bst, taking in mind that 1-2% would cover inflation?