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River Don

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Re: Runners and Riders potentially
« Reply #30 on April 29, 2021, 10:18:36 am by River Don »
I have a lot of sympathy for Butler though. He has really been thrown in at the deep end, persisting with things as we have hasn't done his career any good.

I think he needs a spell getting back to coaching and if he does want to give management another bash, then he probably needs time to study it, perhaps some courses on management away from football. Go and see how things are done at some of the more progressive clubs. I don't think just doing your badges is necessarily enough.



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5minstogo

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Re: Runners and Riders potentially
« Reply #31 on April 29, 2021, 10:56:04 am by 5minstogo »
Not sure what people see in Buckingham - no experience of English football and infact only 5 years of football coaching experience at a level you can only imagine is around the quality of the conference.

He would be an incredibly poor appointment.

Sloppy research

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« Reply #32 on April 29, 2021, 10:58:05 am by EasyforDennis »
Not sure what people see in Buckingham - no experience of English football and infact only 5 years of football coaching experience at a level you can only imagine is around the quality of the conference.

He would be an incredibly poor appointment.

Sloppy research

What research?

GazLaz

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« Reply #33 on April 29, 2021, 11:00:21 am by GazLaz »
Not sure what people see in Buckingham - no experience of English football and infact only 5 years of football coaching experience at a level you can only imagine is around the quality of the conference.

He would be an incredibly poor appointment.

Surely when recruiting you don’t judge people on what they are doing now but gather evidence to try and determine their potential ceiling?

Wild Rover

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« Reply #34 on April 29, 2021, 11:22:18 am by Wild Rover »

DTD it strikes me he has more coaching experience than many who jump into jobs.

2004–2014   Oxford United (youth coach)
2015   Wellington Phoenix (assistant)
2016   Wellington Phoenix (interim)
2017   Wellington Phoenix
2017–2018   Stoke City U23 (assistant)
2018–2019   New Zealand U20
2018–2019   New Zealand (assistant)
2019–2020   New Zealand U23
2020–   Melbourne City (assistant)

Branton Rover

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Re: Runners and Riders potentially
« Reply #35 on April 29, 2021, 08:41:57 pm by Branton Rover »
A shout out to Alex Neil who managed Norwich in the premier league

Dare to dream!

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Re: Runners and Riders potentially
« Reply #36 on April 29, 2021, 09:41:55 pm by Dare to dream! »
A shout out to Alex Neil who managed Norwich in the premier league

If he has applied you would think he has to be the number 1 option.

Realistically I’m not sure he would have.

Campsall rover

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Re: Runners and Riders potentially
« Reply #37 on April 29, 2021, 10:22:21 pm by Campsall rover »
A shout out to Alex Neil who managed Norwich in the premier league

If he has applied you would think he has to be the number 1 option.

Realistically I’m not sure he would have.
Why would he be no 1 option?
He didn’t pull up any trees at Preston. In fact they were very inconsistent and home form was distinctly poor.

Not for me.

Having said that it doesn’t matter what any of us think about the man who is appointed.
If results are very good then it will be seen as a good appointment or even better. If results are less than good then we will all deem it to have been a poor one or even worse,

sedwardsdrfc

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Re: Runners and Riders potentially
« Reply #38 on April 29, 2021, 10:36:39 pm by sedwardsdrfc »
Managed at a decent level but wasn't great at preston, although i'd say they were probably where they should be in the league anyway. He was the same at Norwich they promotion to the prem is about par for them as is getting relegated. Maybe he just struggles to get a team to overachieve which is probably where we were at with DF

redandwhitearmy

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Re: Runners and Riders potentially
« Reply #39 on April 29, 2021, 10:45:26 pm by redandwhitearmy »
I would be really happy with Alex Neall

Branton Rover

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Re: Runners and Riders potentially
« Reply #40 on April 30, 2021, 06:14:47 am by Branton Rover »
Alex Neil has managed in the Premier League and will be looking to rebuild his status within the game after an uninspiring spell at PNE - trouble being if he does well he be off after using us as a stepping stone

redandwhitearmy

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Re: Runners and Riders potentially
« Reply #41 on April 30, 2021, 07:02:37 am by redandwhitearmy »
Alex Neil has managed in the Premier League and will be looking to rebuild his status within the game after an uninspiring spell at PNE - trouble being if he does well he be off after using us as a stepping stone

That should be every managers ambition, I doubt any on the shortlist have grown up wanting to manage Doncaster Rovers.

Manchester United or Liverpool maybe, but not Rovers.

GazLaz

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Re: Runners and Riders potentially
« Reply #42 on April 30, 2021, 07:26:42 am by GazLaz »
Alex Neil would get another Championship job, if not he’d walk straight into a SPL role. He won’t be applying for a L1 gig.

5minstogo

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Re: Runners and Riders potentially
« Reply #43 on April 30, 2021, 07:30:35 am by 5minstogo »
I read a few days ago that he was taking a bit of time out to do family stuff.

since-1969

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Re: Runners and Riders potentially
« Reply #44 on April 30, 2021, 07:31:16 am by since-1969 »
Richie Wellens - won promotion and a trophy
Graeme Jones - top flight coaching experience
Neil Harris.     - playoff winning manager
Paul Tisdale.   - promotion winning manager
Micky Mellon.  - currently in work & previously promotion winner
Simon Weaver - in employment won Conference playoff
Andy Butler.    - to be interviewed
A-another?
ARE these the applicants or figments of your imagination!

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Re: Runners and Riders potentially
« Reply #45 on April 30, 2021, 07:40:26 am by Filo »
Buckingham is young enough to be able to commit to a reasonable contract length. I can’t imagine his expectations would need managing too much in regards to wages. I can’t imagine Melbourne pay a kings ransom.
Then there is his personal circumstance, which I know nothing about at all. But a move back to uk could fit with his plans ?
He would come to Rovers with little or no baggage. Fresh, young, keen, but with enough pedigree to justify giving him a go. A real chance to make a good name for himself as a manager in the EFL.


The owner is Al Mubarak, Man City Chairman, so they have the ability to pay a Sheik’s ransom

the vicar

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Re: Runners and Riders potentially
« Reply #46 on April 30, 2021, 02:08:06 pm by the vicar »
I have a lot of sympathy for Butler though. He has really been thrown in at the deep end, persisting with things as we have hasn't done his career any good.

I think he needs a spell getting back to coaching and if he does want to give management another bash, then he probably needs time to study it, perhaps some courses on management away from football. Go and see how things are done at some of the more progressive clubs. I don't think just doing your badges is necessarily enough.
And it is not all the fault of AB as is all started early February onset Moor so it is a continuation from that.  And when the rot sets in it’s difficult to stop, I’m just suppressed that he has got 3 wins under his belt and one beating Ferguson to boot

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Re: Runners and Riders potentially
« Reply #47 on April 30, 2021, 02:28:26 pm by Branton Rover »
Alex Neal has managed in the Premier league & is out of work so he could be on the shortlist- who knows?

chrisd_123

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Re: Runners and Riders potentially
« Reply #48 on April 30, 2021, 03:52:00 pm by chrisd_123 »
Alex Neil has managed in the Premier League and will be looking to rebuild his status within the game after an uninspiring spell at PNE - trouble being if he does well he be off after using us as a stepping stone

For me that's not an issue - The issue is when people like Moore (who preach the Club Doncaster ethos) or McCann who slates players for not showing commitment and loyalty take off at the first sniff.

If it was to be someone like Buckingham who has the potential or Neil who would be using it as a stepping stone, then so be it. At least it's transparent enough. We're a stepping stone club and would be foolish to think otherwise.

But what the club need to do is something similar to what Swansea have done. Potter came in, did a good job and went to Brighton but immediately replaced him with Cooper which I believe Potter had a say in. It's all about succession planning rather than trying to keep the same manager for years. I'd actually be worried if we kept a manager for 4-5 years these days as it would probably show we're stagnating.

Jonathan

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Re: Runners and Riders potentially
« Reply #49 on April 30, 2021, 05:52:11 pm by Jonathan »
Has Brian Stock been mentioned anywhere yet?

CJK

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Re: Runners and Riders potentially
« Reply #50 on April 30, 2021, 07:51:40 pm by CJK »
Steve McLaren has entered the betting market behind Heckingbottom.

Janso

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Re: Runners and Riders potentially
« Reply #51 on May 01, 2021, 12:09:12 am by Janso »
Oh please God, no.

BradwellRover

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Re: Runners and Riders potentially
« Reply #52 on May 01, 2021, 01:34:25 am by BradwellRover »

DTD it strikes me he has more coaching experience than many who jump into jobs.

2004–2014   Oxford United (youth coach)
2015   Wellington Phoenix (assistant)
2016   Wellington Phoenix (interim)
2017   Wellington Phoenix
2017–2018   Stoke City U23 (assistant)
2018–2019   New Zealand U20
2018–2019   New Zealand (assistant)
2019–2020   New Zealand U23
2020–   Melbourne City (assistant)

Commits to a role then

Wild Rover

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Re: Runners and Riders potentially
« Reply #53 on May 01, 2021, 06:41:32 am by Wild Rover »

DTD it strikes me he has more coaching experience than many who jump into jobs.

2004–2014   Oxford United (youth coach)
2015   Wellington Phoenix (assistant)
2016   Wellington Phoenix (interim)
2017   Wellington Phoenix
2017–2018   Stoke City U23 (assistant)
2018–2019   New Zealand U20
2018–2019   New Zealand (assistant)
2019–2020   New Zealand U23
2020–   Melbourne City (assistant)

Commits to a role then

One role was for 10 years. 3 years at Wellington , 2 years at NZ every stay longer than DRFC previous 2 managers. I grant you he didnt spend too long at Stoke, But 17-18 they were a basket case anyway.

DonnyOsmond

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« Reply #54 on May 01, 2021, 07:48:37 am by DonnyOsmond »
Pretty much 5 roles in 17 years.

sha66y

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« Reply #55 on May 01, 2021, 08:25:39 am by sha66y »
It appears that once again like “ Groundhog Day” ...the Managerial selection committee ( you lot!) are once again stating who they DONT, want and who they DO prefer, ....
Has i’ve already been told “ real fans get behind the team” no matter what! ....yet here we are before the “ team leader” has been selected , and some are stating that certain names are not good enough, or “ not for me” ?

What does that mean ...” not for me” ???

Are you going to stop supporting the team if such and such manager is appointed, are you going to say “ I told you so” when we lose and a team selection didn’t suit your idea,

A lot of so called “ true fans” seem to set the tone of their seasonal gripes based upon their own ideas of how Doncaster should play, with what players, and under their “preferred manager” ,
and if it doesn’t fit their ideal, they are the ones who shout the loudest.....

Instead of setting the negative tones......

Why don’t you just wait and be satisfied that the decision made was for all the right reasons!


GazLaz

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« Reply #56 on May 01, 2021, 08:39:06 am by GazLaz »

DTD it strikes me he has more coaching experience than many who jump into jobs.

2004–2014   Oxford United (youth coach)
2015   Wellington Phoenix (assistant)
2016   Wellington Phoenix (interim)
2017   Wellington Phoenix
2017–2018   Stoke City U23 (assistant)
2018–2019   New Zealand U20
2018–2019   New Zealand (assistant)
2019–2020   New Zealand U23
2020–   Melbourne City (assistant)

Commits to a role then

Yes, shame he keeps getting promoted.

Campsall rover

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« Reply #57 on May 01, 2021, 09:11:24 am by Campsall rover »
It appears that once again like “ Groundhog Day” ...the Managerial selection committee ( you lot!) are once again stating who they DONT, want and who they DO prefer, ....
Has i’ve already been told “ real fans get behind the team” no matter what! ....yet here we are before the “ team leader” has been selected , and some are stating that certain names are not good enough, or “ not for me” ?

What does that mean ...” not for me” ???

Are you going to stop supporting the team if such and such manager is appointed, are you going to say “ I told you so” when we lose and a team selection didn’t suit your idea,

A lot of so called “ true fans” seem to set the tone of their seasonal gripes based upon their own ideas of how Doncaster should play, with what players, and under their “preferred manager” ,
and if it doesn’t fit their ideal, they are the ones who shout the loudest.....

Instead of setting the negative tones......

Why don’t you just wait and be satisfied that the decision made was for all the right reasons!
We can all have our personal preferences can’t we? I don’t have a particular preference although Stendel sounds like he could be very good based on what Tyke has said. There are a quite few who i wouldn’t particularly want but that doesn’t mean I would be right about them. I could and probably would be very wrong. So that doesn’t mean we won’t get behind whoever is appointed does it.
It’s a forum for debate and opinions.
The board will make the decision at the end of the day and it will either turn out to be a good appointment or a poor one.
We all have to trust their judgment and hope it works out well.

Filo

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Re: Runners and Riders potentially
« Reply #58 on May 01, 2021, 09:21:28 am by Filo »
Steve McLaren has entered the betting market behind Heckingbottom.

He’s learning the Yorkshire accent as we speak

sha66y

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Re: Runners and Riders potentially
« Reply #59 on May 01, 2021, 09:35:09 am by sha66y »
It appears that once again like “ Groundhog Day” ...the Managerial selection committee ( you lot!) are once again stating who they DONT, want and who they DO prefer, ....
Has i’ve already been told “ real fans get behind the team” no matter what! ....yet here we are before the “ team leader” has been selected , and some are stating that certain names are not good enough, or “ not for me” ?

What does that mean ...” not for me” ???

Are you going to stop supporting the team if such and such manager is appointed, are you going to say “ I told you so” when we lose and a team selection didn’t suit your idea,

A lot of so called “ true fans” seem to set the tone of their seasonal gripes based upon their own ideas of how Doncaster should play, with what players, and under their “preferred manager” ,
and if it doesn’t fit their ideal, they are the ones who shout the loudest.....

Instead of setting the negative tones......

Why don’t you just wait and be satisfied that the decision made was for all the right reasons!
We can all have our personal preferences can’t we? I don’t have a particular preference although Stendel sounds like he could be very good based on what Tyke has said. There are a quite few who i wouldn’t particularly want but that doesn’t mean I would be right about them. I could and probably would be very wrong. So that doesn’t mean we won’t get behind whoever is appointed does it.
It’s a forum for debate and opinions.
The board will make the decision at the end of the day and it will either turn out to be a good appointment or a poor one.
We all have to trust their judgment and hope it works out well.

Unfortunately you are wrong and you know it...
Year on year the dissenters start the negativity, and this all stems from these debatable forums that in my opinion set the tone for the following season...... the usual suspects will start attacking the appointment, followed by the playing budget, then the players brought in, then the lack of ambition from the owners....

Every year this is done to death.....I agree that debate is healthy once the pieces are put in place, but until that happens there will be absolute total negativity regarding personal choice for the new appointees...

We can’t have 5 managers, only the one....so let’s see how many fans say “ wasn’t my choice but I’ll get behind him” .............. until they don’t!

 

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