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Quote from: Redandwhite on May 28, 2021, 11:25:36 amThe mind boggles how any intelligent person could ever, in good conscience vote for monoxide or Abbott. I live in Bassetlaw and I voted Labour, not for the candidate but due to Labours policies and Jeremy Corbyn, and if I had a time machine I'd do the exact same again. Look at what's happened under BJ's leadership, Corbyn was calling for action a couple week before Johnson decided to pull his finger out. We would have saved numerous lives with Corbyn in charge, as he would have acted earlier. Rory Stewart was calling for action before Corbyn too, he would have been a million times better leader than BJ.
The mind boggles how any intelligent person could ever, in good conscience vote for monoxide or Abbott.
Watched Clive Myree on telly this morning probably my favourite Journo, what he said was""the first US citizen to die was in a home for the elderly,French Relatives are taking a law suit against their government due to lives lost in Old folks homes and half the deaths in Germany have happened in old folks homes,four of the most powerful and advanced countries on this planet all wrong footed, hindsight is a wonder full thing Wudda Shudda and Cudda are three twits that have been around for a long time! now wind yer necks in and let's try to make this a better place to live!
Quote from: DonnyOsmond on May 30, 2021, 01:09:27 pmQuote from: Redandwhite on May 28, 2021, 11:25:36 amThe mind boggles how any intelligent person could ever, in good conscience vote for monoxide or Abbott. I live in Bassetlaw and I voted Labour, not for the candidate but due to Labours policies and Jeremy Corbyn, and if I had a time machine I'd do the exact same again. Look at what's happened under BJ's leadership, Corbyn was calling for action a couple week before Johnson decided to pull his finger out. We would have saved numerous lives with Corbyn in charge, as he would have acted earlier. Rory Stewart was calling for action before Corbyn too, he would have been a million times better leader than BJ.I also live in Bassetlaw and I used to vote Labour but not since Tony Blair got in, the best thing that has happened to Conservatives in the last few years was Corbyn being made leader of the Labour Party, thousands upon thousands didn’t vote for Labour because of him and rightly so . I know Margret Thatcher did a lot of wrong things but if she was in power now she would have sorted a lot of the mistakes that has been made by those in charge in the 25 years or so
Quote from: Redandwhite on May 28, 2021, 11:25:36 amThe mind boggles how any intelligent person could ever, in good conscience vote for monoxide or Abbott. I live in Bassetlaw and I voted Labour, not for the candidate but due to Labours policies and Jeremy Corbyn, and if I had a time machine I'd do the exact same again. Look at what's happened under BJ's leadership, Corbyn was calling for action a couple week before Johnson decided to pull his finger out. We would have saved numerous lives with Corbyn in charge, as he would have acted earlier. Rory Stewart was calling for action before Corbyn too, he would have been a million times better leader than BJ.
Police and mother of Sasha Johnson urge people to come forwardNot a single guest at a busy party where Black Lives Matter activist Sasha Johnson was shot have come forward with information, police say.The mum-of-two, 27, was left fighting for her life after being gunned down in Southwark, south London two weeks ago.She had been at a garden bash attended by around 30 people - but, so far, none of the guests have spoken out as witnesses. The Met launched a probe in the immediate aftermath and arrested five males in connection with the incident.Four have since been bailed while Cameron Deriggs, 18, has been charged with conspiracy to murder.However, detectives have now issued a renewed appeal for information amid the silence from partygoers.DCI Richard Leonard told the Evening Standard "The reality is nobody who was at that party has come forward to give us a statement or any further information.It is absolutely vital that we gather as much information as possible.We are in regular contact with the family, and quite rightly, they have a lot of questions that are currently unanswered." Sasha's mother, Ellet Dalling, said: "What has happened to Sasha has left us devastated. She is currently fighting for her life in hospital with two children asking where their mummy is, what do I tell them?Someone must have information to what happened and to come forward. I believe there are people out there that can help."
Fair post Sydney but you say support political parties that want to help, both tories and labour have had major issues with racism
Those in law enforcement police by consent. It’s one of the cornerstone principles of living in a democracy. Some people and cultures don’t consent to being policed. Gangs are a good example of this . It’s not been widely publicised but those that stormed that party were looking for a rival gang member. So the BLM female who got shot must have been linked , by association, to a gang otherwise why would they have been there . It’s no wonder no one wants to talk otherwise someone else will get shot no doubt. Society has no place for people who resolve their differences with murder. These are not rational people . You cannot reason with them .
Quote from: normal rules on June 10, 2021, 12:03:08 pmThose in law enforcement police by consent. It’s one of the cornerstone principles of living in a democracy. Some people and cultures don’t consent to being policed. Gangs are a good example of this . It’s not been widely publicised but those that stormed that party were looking for a rival gang member. So the BLM female who got shot must have been linked , by association, to a gang otherwise why would they have been there . It’s no wonder no one wants to talk otherwise someone else will get shot no doubt. Society has no place for people who resolve their differences with murder. These are not rational people . You cannot reason with them .When I posted the other day that non-whites were more likely to be stopped and searched in reply to your comment you didn't reply, it's 9 times more likely to happen, which means there are major problems running through the force, it can't be blamed on a few rogue officers so it must be being condoned by those higher up. It needs sorting out. Maybe they would have more time if they were not harassing black people.
Quote from: SydneyRover on June 10, 2021, 12:39:52 pmQuote from: normal rules on June 10, 2021, 12:03:08 pmThose in law enforcement police by consent. It’s one of the cornerstone principles of living in a democracy. Some people and cultures don’t consent to being policed. Gangs are a good example of this . It’s not been widely publicised but those that stormed that party were looking for a rival gang member. So the BLM female who got shot must have been linked , by association, to a gang otherwise why would they have been there . It’s no wonder no one wants to talk otherwise someone else will get shot no doubt. Society has no place for people who resolve their differences with murder. These are not rational people . You cannot reason with them .When I posted the other day that non-whites were more likely to be stopped and searched in reply to your comment you didn't reply, it's 9 times more likely to happen, which means there are major problems running through the force, it can't be blamed on a few rogue officers so it must be being condoned by those higher up. It needs sorting out. Maybe they would have more time if they were not harassing black people.stop search stats cannot be viewed in such a broad brush manner. You need to go and live and work in places like the St Ann’s Estate or the Meadows estate in Nottingham where the streets are run by black British or black other gangs. Similar story in the Lozells in and Handsworth in brum.There are some very extreme community pockets in this country, as there are around the world where cultural saturation means that certain crime groups and by definition ethnicities are very prevalent. It’s no surprise that there is a proportionate amount of very targeted and specific policing of these groups. We are currently experiencing a huge upsurge in Albanian and Romanian crime for instance across the uk. Coventry is rapidly becoming a very concentrated area of Romanian gangs and if you checked the stats there I’m pretty sure there will be an explosion in stop searches of this nationality in this area. This isn’t racism. It’s proportional to the demographic of that area. Pop down to Sheffield’s Page Hall estate and see for yourself why certain groups are being stop searched. I’ve always said, law fearing, law abiding people have nothing to be afraid of by being stop searched. I’m all for a blanket stop search power in fact, without any need for suspicion.
Two excellent posts from Normal rules, one other factor is that a lot of the criminal acts in these areas is Black on Black violent crime, and as has happy in relation to our Revolutionary lady friend it had appended in a very public place and not one person who was there that night is prepared to say they saw anything!
So it looks as though the police not only discriminate against black people, there are large areas in the country where there are not enough resources or they are not making the area safe or both?
Quote from: SydneyRover on June 11, 2021, 10:56:23 pmSo it looks as though the police not only discriminate against black people, there are large areas in the country where there are not enough resources or they are not making the area safe or both? have you ever been to any of these places Sydney? What rss do you expect them to put there? How can they make many places safe if they don't do stop and search? Your clearly a intelligent guy Sydney but how do you expect the police to go into a estate/town with large amounts of gangs or criminals and make it safe without stop and search and possibly arresting people as you will just say they are racist or discriminating against people?
Funny how the family are backing the police to try and find out the perpetrator's of the crime, the very institution the group who she was one of the leaders of want to defund.
Quote from: normal rules on June 11, 2021, 09:04:09 pmQuote from: SydneyRover on June 10, 2021, 12:39:52 pmQuote from: normal rules on June 10, 2021, 12:03:08 pmThose in law enforcement police by consent. It’s one of the cornerstone principles of living in a democracy. Some people and cultures don’t consent to being policed. Gangs are a good example of this . It’s not been widely publicised but those that stormed that party were looking for a rival gang member. So the BLM female who got shot must have been linked , by association, to a gang otherwise why would they have been there . It’s no wonder no one wants to talk otherwise someone else will get shot no doubt. Society has no place for people who resolve their differences with murder. These are not rational people . You cannot reason with them .When I posted the other day that non-whites were more likely to be stopped and searched in reply to your comment you didn't reply, it's 9 times more likely to happen, which means there are major problems running through the force, it can't be blamed on a few rogue officers so it must be being condoned by those higher up. It needs sorting out. Maybe they would have more time if they were not harassing black people.stop search stats cannot be viewed in such a broad brush manner. You need to go and live and work in places like the St Ann’s Estate or the Meadows estate in Nottingham where the streets are run by black British or black other gangs. Similar story in the Lozells in and Handsworth in brum.There are some very extreme community pockets in this country, as there are around the world where cultural saturation means that certain crime groups and by definition ethnicities are very prevalent. It’s no surprise that there is a proportionate amount of very targeted and specific policing of these groups. We are currently experiencing a huge upsurge in Albanian and Romanian crime for instance across the uk. Coventry is rapidly becoming a very concentrated area of Romanian gangs and if you checked the stats there I’m pretty sure there will be an explosion in stop searches of this nationality in this area. This isn’t racism. It’s proportional to the demographic of that area. Pop down to Sheffield’s Page Hall estate and see for yourself why certain groups are being stop searched. I’ve always said, law fearing, law abiding people have nothing to be afraid of by being stop searched. I’m all for a blanket stop search power in fact, without any need for suspicion.''People from a Black, Asian, ‘Mixed’ or ‘Chinese and other’ background were over-represented as defendants in the criminal justice system in 2019, according to Ministry of Justice (MoJ) data.This was largely because people from these ethnic groups made up a disproportionate share of people arrested, and this carried through to the prosecution, conviction, and imprisonment stages. The MoJ categorises these ethnic groups as ‘BAME’''https://commonslibrary.parliament.uk/ethnicity-and-the-criminal-justice-system-what-does-recent-data-say/''Plea decisions are critical in the criminal justice system(CPS). This chapter identifies a stark difference in pleadecisions between Black, Asian and Minority Ethnic (BAME)and White ethnic groups and examines its consequencesfor BAME disproportionality:• The CJS provides incentives for those who havecommitted crimes to admit guilt, to prevent the stressplaced on victims. For example, those who plead guiltycan see sentences reduce by a third, or gain access tointerventions which seek to keep them out of prisonaltogether.104• However, BAME defendants are consistently more likelyto plead not guilty than White defendants.105 This meansthat, if found guilty, they are likely to face more punitivesentences than if they had admitted guilt.• The primary reason for this difference in plea decisions isa lack of trust in the CJS among BAME communities.106This makes BAME defendants less likely to cooperatewith the police or trust the advice of legal aid solicitors,who can be seen as part of the ‘system’.https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/643001/lammy-review-final-report.pdf#page=27
Good news about the BLM member convicted of holding explosives and terrorism offences. Second one in a couple of months too, I am suprised no-one has mentioned it here?Oh apologies they were white, right-wing and encouraging the killing of blacks, now I am not so suprised.
Quote from: SydneyRover on June 11, 2021, 11:12:20 pmQuote from: normal rules on June 11, 2021, 09:04:09 pmQuote from: SydneyRover on June 10, 2021, 12:39:52 pmQuote from: normal rules on June 10, 2021, 12:03:08 pmThose in law enforcement police by consent. It’s one of the cornerstone principles of living in a democracy. Some people and cultures don’t consent to being policed. Gangs are a good example of this . It’s not been widely publicised but those that stormed that party were looking for a rival gang member. So the BLM female who got shot must have been linked , by association, to a gang otherwise why would they have been there . It’s no wonder no one wants to talk otherwise someone else will get shot no doubt. Society has no place for people who resolve their differences with murder. These are not rational people . You cannot reason with them .When I posted the other day that non-whites were more likely to be stopped and searched in reply to your comment you didn't reply, it's 9 times more likely to happen, which means there are major problems running through the force, it can't be blamed on a few rogue officers so it must be being condoned by those higher up. It needs sorting out. Maybe they would have more time if they were not harassing black people.stop search stats cannot be viewed in such a broad brush manner. You need to go and live and work in places like the St Ann’s Estate or the Meadows estate in Nottingham where the streets are run by black British or black other gangs. Similar story in the Lozells in and Handsworth in brum.There are some very extreme community pockets in this country, as there are around the world where cultural saturation means that certain crime groups and by definition ethnicities are very prevalent. It’s no surprise that there is a proportionate amount of very targeted and specific policing of these groups. We are currently experiencing a huge upsurge in Albanian and Romanian crime for instance across the uk. Coventry is rapidly becoming a very concentrated area of Romanian gangs and if you checked the stats there I’m pretty sure there will be an explosion in stop searches of this nationality in this area. This isn’t racism. It’s proportional to the demographic of that area. Pop down to Sheffield’s Page Hall estate and see for yourself why certain groups are being stop searched. I’ve always said, law fearing, law abiding people have nothing to be afraid of by being stop searched. I’m all for a blanket stop search power in fact, without any need for suspicion.''People from a Black, Asian, ‘Mixed’ or ‘Chinese and other’ background were over-represented as defendants in the criminal justice system in 2019, according to Ministry of Justice (MoJ) data.This was largely because people from these ethnic groups made up a disproportionate share of people arrested, and this carried through to the prosecution, conviction, and imprisonment stages. The MoJ categorises these ethnic groups as ‘BAME’''https://commonslibrary.parliament.uk/ethnicity-and-the-criminal-justice-system-what-does-recent-data-say/''Plea decisions are critical in the criminal justice system(CPS). This chapter identifies a stark difference in pleadecisions between Black, Asian and Minority Ethnic (BAME)and White ethnic groups and examines its consequencesfor BAME disproportionality:• The CJS provides incentives for those who havecommitted crimes to admit guilt, to prevent the stressplaced on victims. For example, those who plead guiltycan see sentences reduce by a third, or gain access tointerventions which seek to keep them out of prisonaltogether.104• However, BAME defendants are consistently more likelyto plead not guilty than White defendants.105 This meansthat, if found guilty, they are likely to face more punitivesentences than if they had admitted guilt.• The primary reason for this difference in plea decisions isa lack of trust in the CJS among BAME communities.106This makes BAME defendants less likely to cooperatewith the police or trust the advice of legal aid solicitors,who can be seen as part of the ‘system’.https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/643001/lammy-review-final-report.pdf#page=27I am happy to tell you Sydders that there are a lot of Black 'shirt fronts' in South Yorkshire but they are outnumbered 20 to 1 by White 'shirt fronts', some of whom may be racist but most of whom see the general public as their Prey! Now in certain parts you have large concentrations of BAME folks and they make up the vast proportion of victims because they are on the doorstep and easy to pick on. Things are made worse because libertine 'soft' middle englanders like yourself ! Like to call the Police for trying to do their job in these difficult areas!