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With the Workers Party of GB on 6%...Draw your own conclusions from that one.
The Left's logic in a nutshell.Blair and Brown didn't facilitate the overthrow of Capitalism and the creation of the dictatorship of the proletariat: therefore they are no different to the Tories. Makes these discussions a lot simpler if you just keep that as an aide-memoire.
Precisely Tyke Another so-called left winger working his nads off to get a Tory elected.
Quote from: BillyStubbsTears on June 19, 2021, 03:06:22 pmThe Left's logic in a nutshell.Blair and Brown didn't facilitate the overthrow of Capitalism and the creation of the dictatorship of the proletariat: therefore they are no different to the Tories. Makes these discussions a lot simpler if you just keep that as an aide-memoire.This is a bit inconvenient for you Billy but it's a fact none the less .https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/john-bercow-labour-attack-johnson-b1869118.html
Tyke.Oh aye. I fully understand how much the centre Left is hated by the likes of Galloway. It hated by them so much that he's prepared to be funded by a Russian fascist to constantly fight against it.You are being played in a huge game Tyke and the really sad thing is, you honestly and naively think he's on your side. When in reality, you are just the collateral damage.
Quote from: BillyStubbsTears on June 19, 2021, 09:10:44 pmTyke.Oh aye. I fully understand how much the centre Left is hated by the likes of Galloway. It hated by them so much that he's prepared to be funded by a Russian fascist to constantly fight against it.You are being played in a huge game Tyke and the really sad thing is, you honestly and naively think he's on your side. When in reality, you are just the collateral damage.Billy , Galloway doesn't play me let's make this perfectly clear .His bunch of comrades are way too left even for the likes of this old collier .The left within the Labour Party should always be the ones who remind the centre what they are supposed to be doing and why the party even exists and not necessarily calling all the shots .Corbyn at least tried to work with the centre for all the good it did him mind .The truth is the section of the party you yourself pin your colours to have absolutely no intention of having the left at the table .Your too focused with solving poverty in Estonia rather than South Yorkshire and seemingly have zero interest in real issues .You've done alright , university and a professional source of income , nowt wrong with that mind , I don't do the politics of envy btw .Where I have a problem is with the metropolitan Labour supporter is the fact you ain't a clue about the real issues which affect millions of lives in former industrial heartlands .Nowt I've read on here or your fellow minnions have convinced me otherwise .You lot are the problem and you will never be the solution .The party is where it is because of you .I've tried the compromise with you lot for more years than I should but you lot can't see outside your bubble .The heart n soul of this party is and will always be the likes of me and you hitch your wagon to that .The other way around doesn't work , the proof is where we are at today .Labour getting annihilated in it's own back yard .Those are the facts .
Quote from: tyke1962 on June 19, 2021, 10:26:29 pmQuote from: BillyStubbsTears on June 19, 2021, 09:10:44 pmTyke.Oh aye. I fully understand how much the centre Left is hated by the likes of Galloway. It hated by them so much that he's prepared to be funded by a Russian fascist to constantly fight against it.You are being played in a huge game Tyke and the really sad thing is, you honestly and naively think he's on your side. When in reality, you are just the collateral damage.Billy , Galloway doesn't play me let's make this perfectly clear .His bunch of comrades are way too left even for the likes of this old collier .The left within the Labour Party should always be the ones who remind the centre what they are supposed to be doing and why the party even exists and not necessarily calling all the shots .Corbyn at least tried to work with the centre for all the good it did him mind .The truth is the section of the party you yourself pin your colours to have absolutely no intention of having the left at the table .Your too focused with solving poverty in Estonia rather than South Yorkshire and seemingly have zero interest in real issues .You've done alright , university and a professional source of income , nowt wrong with that mind , I don't do the politics of envy btw .Where I have a problem is with the metropolitan Labour supporter is the fact you ain't a clue about the real issues which affect millions of lives in former industrial heartlands .Nowt I've read on here or your fellow minnions have convinced me otherwise .You lot are the problem and you will never be the solution .The party is where it is because of you .I've tried the compromise with you lot for more years than I should but you lot can't see outside your bubble .The heart n soul of this party is and will always be the likes of me and you hitch your wagon to that .The other way around doesn't work , the proof is where we are at today .Labour getting annihilated in it's own back yard .Those are the facts .Your naivety is stunning if you think that a party can run and stay in one political position for the whole of its life without changing to the will of those within and without.
Nothing worse than a tory or a miffed labour voter it seems, tory problems and mistakes are suffered by just about everyone except the top 3-5% of the population and the only reason they are in power is because of those that see their 'own' party as a bigger problem. Those that keep the tories in power, the enablers can thank themselves for the suffering of the 95-97%
Quote from: SydneyRover on June 19, 2021, 11:34:30 pmNothing worse than a tory or a miffed labour voter it seems, tory problems and mistakes are suffered by just about everyone except the top 3-5% of the population and the only reason they are in power is because of those that see their 'own' party as a bigger problem. Those that keep the tories in power, the enablers can thank themselves for the suffering of the 95-97%Pardon the context but what the feck do you know sat on Bondi beach sunning yourself .There's an old saying where I live ." non bowlers off the green " Ditch the Guardian fella and live the the life .I'd say champagne socialist wouldn't be the worst call .
Quote from: tyke1962 on June 20, 2021, 12:24:13 amQuote from: SydneyRover on June 19, 2021, 11:34:30 pmNothing worse than a tory or a miffed labour voter it seems, tory problems and mistakes are suffered by just about everyone except the top 3-5% of the population and the only reason they are in power is because of those that see their 'own' party as a bigger problem. Those that keep the tories in power, the enablers can thank themselves for the suffering of the 95-97%Pardon the context but what the feck do you know sat on Bondi beach sunning yourself .There's an old saying where I live ." non bowlers off the green " Ditch the Guardian fella and live the the life .I'd say champagne socialist wouldn't be the worst call .I see your conversion to tory is now complete using xenophobic language as your argument peters out, and not for the first time either, aye tyke
If folk are too thick to understand that massive tactical voting took place in that by-election, there's not much hope for them.
https://youtu.be/VcuoEVcsLcs
If folk are too thick to understand that massive tactical voting took place in that by-election, there's not much hope for them.
I'm not sure what your point is Hound.It's bleeding obvious that there was massive tactical voting in the by-election. What exactly would YOU think of the intellect of someone who commented on the Labour vote there without considering that context?