Trialists

[the vicar]

What ever it is we won’t survive if we get a few injured players as we have a couple of times in previous seasons if we don’t get people in. And our own are better than loans

[Alan Southstand]

You’re right, of course, the new ones are probably on less wages!

[RoversAlias]

You’re right, of course, the new ones are probably on less wages!

Players like Close and Hiwula will not be on less than the players they are replacing. I would expect Rowe to be on the same or more than James, ditto Knoyle with Halliday, Close certainly will earn more than Madger Gomes did and Hiwula will be on more than Jason Lokilo was.

You cannot compare by numbers, the budget has been spent on more established players than those who have gone in some respects and will command good wages and good signing-on fees.

Loans will be similar outlay to last season's as well when all is said and done.

[Jonathan]

You’re right, of course, the new ones are probably on less wages!

Players like Close and Hiwula will not be on less than the players they are replacing. I would expect Rowe to be on the same or more than James, ditto Knoyle with Halliday, Close certainly will earn more than Madger Gomes did and Hiwula will be on more than Jason Lokilo was.

You cannot compare by numbers, the budget has been spent on more established players than those who have gone in some respects and will command good wages and good signing-on fees.

Loans will be similar outlay to last season's as well when all is said and done.

I wouldn’t be so sure. Wellens went on record saying that Rowe had clearly not been financially motivated to come here based on the contract accepted. I’d expect James was one of the higher earners.

In any case it’s all conjecture. One thing for sure is there’s still a significant part of the rebuild yet to complete.

[Campsall rover]

I really do not know what the fuss is about. We have the basis of a decent squad and another 3/4 players of decent quality and we will have a stronger one much stronger than last season.

Another keeper, defensive midfielder and striker being the priority imo.
A left midfielder / front 3 player also and our squad will be very competitive.

Do not forget players like, Jones, Blythe, Horton, Greaves, Hasani and Ravenhill are all a year older and one more year experienced. They are all an integral part of the 1st team squad this season and are there because RW thinks they are good enough.

The negativity on this thread is so unwarranted.
RW has not finished rebuilding the squad and he will do so as and when he gets the players he thinks will be a good fit.

What is the point in numbers for numbers sake. Waste of time and  money and will not get you a team which will compete in the top half of this league especially this season
This is a massively competitive League 1 we will be competing in this season imo.

[the vicar]

I really do not know what the fuss is about. We have the basis of a decent squad and another 3/4 players of decent quality and we will have a stronger one much stronger than last season.

Another keeper, defensive midfielder and striker being the priority imo.
A left midfielder / front 3 player also and our squad will be very competitive.

Do not forget players like, Jones, Blythe, Greaves, Hasani and Ravenhill are all a year older and one more year experienced. They are all an integral part of the 1st team squad this season and are there because RW thinks they are good enough.

The negativity on this thread is so unwarranted.
RW has not finished rebuilding the squad and he will do so as and when he gets the players he thinks will be a good fit.

What is the point in numbers for numbers sake. Waste of time and  money and will not get you a team which will compete in the top half of this league especially this season
This is a massively competitive League 1 we will be competing in this season imo.

yes Campsall we do have the basis of a good side but without the depth it stops there as the basic of a good side. I wonder how many forget two years on the trot we lost that many players we struggled to ease a side

[Campsall rover]

I really do not know what the fuss is about. We have the basis of a decent squad and another 3/4 players of decent quality and we will have a stronger one much stronger than last season.

Another keeper, defensive midfielder and striker being the priority imo.
A left midfielder / front 3 player also and our squad will be very competitive.

Do not forget players like, Jones, Blythe, Greaves, Hasani and Ravenhill are all a year older and one more year experienced. They are all an integral part of the 1st team squad this season and are there because RW thinks they are good enough.

The negativity on this thread is so unwarranted.
RW has not finished rebuilding the squad and he will do so as and when he gets the players he thinks will be a good fit.

What is the point in numbers for numbers sake. Waste of time and  money and will not get you a team which will compete in the top half of this league especially this season
This is a massively competitive League 1 we will be competing in this season imo.

yes Campsall we do have the basis of a good side but without the depth it stops there as the basic of a good side. I wonder how many forget two years on the trot we lost that many players we struggled to ease a side

Dave question. Do you think RW knows what he is doing? Do you not think he will bring in 3 more players at least? Do you think the board will not back him?
Right 3 questions.  I know the answer to all 3. 
Why do so many people see so much negativity constantly.   

[NickDRFC]

I really do not know what the fuss is about. We have the basis of a decent squad and another 3/4 players of decent quality and we will have a stronger one much stronger than last season.

Another keeper, defensive midfielder and striker being the priority imo.
A left midfielder / front 3 player also and our squad will be very competitive.

Do not forget players like, Jones, Blythe, Greaves, Hasani and Ravenhill are all a year older and one more year experienced. They are all an integral part of the 1st team squad this season and are there because RW thinks they are good enough.

The negativity on this thread is so unwarranted.
RW has not finished rebuilding the squad and he will do so as and when he gets the players he thinks will be a good fit.

What is the point in numbers for numbers sake. Waste of time and  money and will not get you a team which will compete in the top half of this league especially this season
This is a massively competitive League 1 we will be competing in this season imo.

Think you and I have different ideas of integral. Jones aside, I doubt any of those players make even double figures in terms of league starts, and perhaps not even double figures combined.

If we start the season with this squad of players then I think it would be fair to air concerns but I expect we’ll make more signings so it’s too early to be worrying about it now.

[Campsall rover]

I really do not know what the fuss is about. We have the basis of a decent squad and another 3/4 players of decent quality and we will have a stronger one much stronger than last season.

Another keeper, defensive midfielder and striker being the priority imo.
A left midfielder / front 3 player also and our squad will be very competitive.

Do not forget players like, Jones, Blythe, Greaves, Hasani and Ravenhill are all a year older and one more year experienced. They are all an integral part of the 1st team squad this season and are there because RW thinks they are good enough.

The negativity on this thread is so unwarranted.
RW has not finished rebuilding the squad and he will do so as and when he gets the players he thinks will be a good fit.

What is the point in numbers for numbers sake. Waste of time and  money and will not get you a team which will compete in the top half of this league especially this season
This is a massively competitive League 1 we will be competing in this season imo.

Think you and I have different ideas of integral. Jones aside, I doubt any of those players make even double figures in terms of league starts, and perhaps not even double figures combined.

If we start the season with this squad of players then I think it would be fair to air concerns but I expect we’ll make more signings so it’s too early to be worrying about it now.

Nick all those players will be in a squad of around 22 players. None will be regular starters but they will be used as and when they are needed. So that makes them integral members of the 1st team squad from where i am sat.
Nick you love to have an argument don’t you.  Your opinion is fine but by heck you love to argue. 

[the vicar]

I really do not know what the fuss is about. We have the basis of a decent squad and another 3/4 players of decent quality and we will have a stronger one much stronger than last season.

Another keeper, defensive midfielder and striker being the priority imo.
A left midfielder / front 3 player also and our squad will be very competitive.

Do not forget players like, Jones, Blythe, Greaves, Hasani and Ravenhill are all a year older and one more year experienced. They are all an integral part of the 1st team squad this season and are there because RW thinks they are good enough.

The negativity on this thread is so unwarranted.
RW has not finished rebuilding the squad and he will do so as and when he gets the players he thinks will be a good fit.

What is the point in numbers for numbers sake. Waste of time and  money and will not get you a team which will compete in the top half of this league especially this season
This is a massively competitive League 1 we will be competing in this season imo.

yes Campsall we do have the basis of a good side but without the depth it stops there as the basic of a good side. I wonder how many forget two years on the trot we lost that many players we struggled to ease a side

Dave question. Do you think RW knows what he is doing? Do you not think he will bring in 3 more players at least? Do you think the board will not back him?
Right 3 questions.  I know the answer to all 3. 
Why do so many people see so much negativity constantly.   

yes of course he does but bring players in is not down to him and he has been told players out before players in and that does not fill our player quota as at the moment if we get any injured we would struggle to fill them places

[the vicar]

I really do not know what the fuss is about. We have the basis of a decent squad and another 3/4 players of decent quality and we will have a stronger one much stronger than last season.

Another keeper, defensive midfielder and striker being the priority imo.
A left midfielder / front 3 player also and our squad will be very competitive.

Do not forget players like, Jones, Blythe, Greaves, Hasani and Ravenhill are all a year older and one more year experienced. They are all an integral part of the 1st team squad this season and are there because RW thinks they are good enough.

The negativity on this thread is so unwarranted.
RW has not finished rebuilding the squad and he will do so as and when he gets the players he thinks will be a good fit.

What is the point in numbers for numbers sake. Waste of time and  money and will not get you a team which will compete in the top half of this league especially this season
This is a massively competitive League 1 we will be competing in this season imo.

yes Campsall we do have the basis of a good side but without the depth it stops there as the basic of a good side. I wonder how many forget two years on the trot we lost that many players we struggled to ease a side

Dave question. Do you think RW knows what he is doing? Do you not think he will bring in 3 more players at least? Do you think the board will not back him?
Right 3 questions.  I know the answer to all 3. 
Why do so many people see so much negativity constantly.   

im not usually this negative at the start of a season, and no they won’t back him that is why they are saying players out before players in.  He would love to give the 4 players on trial but he in not allowed, they will go for cheap loans Maybe no where near as good as the 4

[Campsall rover]

I really do not know what the fuss is about. We have the basis of a decent squad and another 3/4 players of decent quality and we will have a stronger one much stronger than last season.

Another keeper, defensive midfielder and striker being the priority imo.
A left midfielder / front 3 player also and our squad will be very competitive.

Do not forget players like, Jones, Blythe, Greaves, Hasani and Ravenhill are all a year older and one more year experienced. They are all an integral part of the 1st team squad this season and are there because RW thinks they are good enough.

The negativity on this thread is so unwarranted.
RW has not finished rebuilding the squad and he will do so as and when he gets the players he thinks will be a good fit.

What is the point in numbers for numbers sake. Waste of time and  money and will not get you a team which will compete in the top half of this league especially this season
This is a massively competitive League 1 we will be competing in this season imo.

yes Campsall we do have the basis of a good side but without the depth it stops there as the basic of a good side. I wonder how many forget two years on the trot we lost that many players we struggled to ease a side

Dave question. Do you think RW knows what he is doing? Do you not think he will bring in 3 more players at least? Do you think the board will not back him?
Right 3 questions.  I know the answer to all 3. 
Why do so many people see so much negativity constantly.   

yes of course he does but bring players in is not down to him and he has been told players out before players in and that does not fill our player quota as at the moment if we get any injured we would struggle to fill them places

Who says players out? He will not get rid of anyone he wants to keep.

[the vicar]

RW IN THE FREE PRESS

[NickDRFC]

I really do not know what the fuss is about. We have the basis of a decent squad and another 3/4 players of decent quality and we will have a stronger one much stronger than last season.

Another keeper, defensive midfielder and striker being the priority imo.
A left midfielder / front 3 player also and our squad will be very competitive.

Do not forget players like, Jones, Blythe, Greaves, Hasani and Ravenhill are all a year older and one more year experienced. They are all an integral part of the 1st team squad this season and are there because RW thinks they are good enough.

The negativity on this thread is so unwarranted.
RW has not finished rebuilding the squad and he will do so as and when he gets the players he thinks will be a good fit.

What is the point in numbers for numbers sake. Waste of time and  money and will not get you a team which will compete in the top half of this league especially this season
This is a massively competitive League 1 we will be competing in this season imo.

Think you and I have different ideas of integral. Jones aside, I doubt any of those players make even double figures in terms of league starts, and perhaps not even double figures combined.

If we start the season with this squad of players then I think it would be fair to air concerns but I expect we’ll make more signings so it’s too early to be worrying about it now.

Nick all those players will be in a squad of around 22 players. None will be regular starters but they will be used as and when they are needed. So that makes them integral members of the 1st team squad from where i am sat.
Nick you love to have an argument don’t you.  Your opinion is fine but by heck you love to argue. 

How’s it an argument? It’s certainly not personal - I rarely even check the user name when I reply to stuff (although your posts are very easily identifiable).

I agree with most of what you said here but I don’t think a player who is filling a space in the squad and occasionally the bench is “integral”. That’s just not the right meaning of the word. Any footballer could play in training and fill the same role; unless they are having a significant impact on the squad it’s just not integral and I just don’t see any of those that you mentioned (Jones aside) having an impact like that. I’d love to be wrong as it would be great to see some young lads coming through consistently.

[Campsall rover]

Arguing over the word integral.

Any way let’s leave it at that. 

[selby]

Ravenhill, Greaves, Blythe, and Hasani have as much chance of being loaned out into men's football in the lower leagues as playing first team football here, and as long as we have the recall situation covered for emergencies this year I think it is the best option for them to get experience and game time.

[DonnyBazR0ver]

I really do not know what the fuss is about. We have the basis of a decent squad and another 3/4 players of decent quality and we will have a stronger one much stronger than last season.

Another keeper, defensive midfielder and striker being the priority imo.
A left midfielder / front 3 player also and our squad will be very competitive.

Do not forget players like, Jones, Blythe, Greaves, Hasani and Ravenhill are all a year older and one more year experienced. They are all an integral part of the 1st team squad this season and are there because RW thinks they are good enough.

The negativity on this thread is so unwarranted.
RW has not finished rebuilding the squad and he will do so as and when he gets the players he thinks will be a good fit.

What is the point in numbers for numbers sake. Waste of time and  money and will not get you a team which will compete in the top half of this league especially this season
This is a massively competitive League 1 we will be competing in this season imo.

yes Campsall we do have the basis of a good side but without the depth it stops there as the basic of a good side. I wonder how many forget two years on the trot we lost that many players we struggled to ease a side

Dave question. Do you think RW knows what he is doing? Do you not think he will bring in 3 more players at least? Do you think the board will not back him?
Right 3 questions.  I know the answer to all 3. 
Why do so many people see so much negativity constantly.   

im not usually this negative at the start of a season, and no they won’t back him that is why they are saying players out before players in.  He would love to give the 4 players on trial but he in not allowed, they will go for cheap loans Maybe no where near as good as the 4

To say RW doesn't have a choice is poppycock. He will be acutely aware of what's doable and what's not and will have been involved in making those permanent signings on good contracts to get a decent core in place.

If you think he says right Gav, I wanna sign x y z and Gavin says, soz Richie, you've already spent your budget, you're taking things too literally.

As with any good management you have to manage players out as well as in to make sure you're not lumbered with players you don't want or will hardly play.

[the vicar]

Ok so if he has a choice then why can’t he sign the 4 players that he has earmarked out of all the players he got in on trial

[rich1471]

I'm sure if the club look at any of the loans and think , His wages over 3 years are 200k but we could sell home 750k I'm sure the money would be found , the boars always back the manager very well

[the vicar]

They have in the past, or have they as 4 managers on the trot have struggled with budgets and you cans say they haven’t.
And that is not a dig at the board as we would not have a club without them, and they can only afford so much

[DonnyBazR0ver]

A budget is a budget not an open ended cheque book.

Every manager/ceo struggles with budgets to try and maximise the value they can get. The higher up you go, the stakes are higher so it's all relative.

We go through this same old sh*t every season and folk refuse to listen and learn. Not necessarily you vicar but those who persistently have the knives out ready will take everything literally to insinuate the club don't have a pot to piss in.

It really isn't worth debating. Let's hope actual football takes centre stage very soon.

[MachoMadness]

Aidan Barlow offered a contract according to RW.

[Metalmicky]

Aidan Barlow offered a contract according to RW.

Did he play tonight...?

[Campsall rover]

RW would not be here if he thought he wasn’t going to be given a competitive budget.

He will get backed 100%
When i say that they are not going to throw money around of course but the board want a squad that can compete at the top end of the table just the same as RW does and all us supporters.

For crying out loud give Richie the time he needs to assemble his squad.
Quality not quantity is what we need.
We have 5/6 decent back up players who will make up our squad numbers and all  have come through our youth system and we should all be celebrating that shouldn’t we.

[Bessie Red]

Aidan Barlow offered a contract according to RW.

Did he play tonight...?

No he was ill.

[RoversAlias]

Barlow being offered a deal suggests there is at least a little wiggle room in the budget, which doesn't surprise me. Wellens talking up having no money left is probably so the club don't look like they can offer big deals to prospective signings, and/or a motivator to fringe players who could be axed.

We are not far off now for squad depth  2-3 more signings will make a big difference be they permanents or loans.

[dickos1]

If we don’t offer Reed a contract soon he will definitely be snapped up by someone

[Alan Southstand]

Wiggle room or not, some of the good players on show tonight are, quite simply, not ours and in about 2 weeks time, we can’t play trialist 1,2,3,4 or whatever!

We have to get our proverbial fingers out and make some positive decisions.

[Rovers91]

If Barlow signs and we can offer Reed a deal we wont be far off. Would just need another option for the front three possibly a trialist or loan who can play off the right, goalkeeper and a centre back.

[colincramb]

Arguing over the word integral.

Any way let’s leave it at that. 

Your a Strange cat campsall. It’s his opinion over the role of fringe players and their part to play in the squad, which will be minimal. Don’t get the argument issue and the passive aggression.